So what makes them militant? That's the first question that I have.

Second question is; what is all the hub bub with ACORN? They are registering, or trying to register voters. The board of elections and voting registration is reviewing said registration forms, as they're supposed to, and they're ferreting out the bad registration forms. What's the big f-ing deal? ACORN isn't responsible for registering the people filling these forms out. The board of elections are, and from all indications, the systems are working as they're supposed to be working. Also, as we keep hearing, ACORN is required, by LAW in most places to submit these "dubious" registration forms for the official agencies to straighten out. Imagine if ACORN flagged someone's registration for appearing to be suspect, and it turned out that it wasn't suspect, and that person, or persons, were not allowed to vote because of it. That's worse if you ask me.

What ACORN is doing out there is no some shady thing. They're trying to register as many voters as they can, so that Americans can take part in their rights, and the process of elections that we have. Why does the WSJ and so many right wingers have an issue with that? The systems that are in place are working, and they are throwing out the bad registrations. ACORN is not trying to get away with anything, nor are they trying to commit voter fraud, they are submitting the registration forms that they get, as required, again, by LAW in most states, and even in the states where it is not required, wouldn't that just be prudent for them to do so anyway, and let the State voter registration professionals decide who is, and who isn't legal to vote?

Mags, the big deal is that they managed to register 1.5 MILLION homeless voters. The idea that destitute americans (including former soldiers that rightwingers refuse to believe exist) frightens them. Especially the fact that that 1.5 million registered voters are in swing states that had margins of error in the thousands last election.

I know that this is what frightens them about ACORN, but who is to say that everyone, or even a majority of who they did help to register are going to vote democrat come November? I see them as a group that helps people to vote. Period. Regardless of party affiliation. They're not going around telling people that they need to vote R or D, they just want them to vote, take part in the process, and have a say in the election. And the conservatives think that it's a bad thing? Of course they do, mostly because they think only certain people, and genders, should be able to vote, OK, not all of them, but I bet in the back of their minds, there is a lot of that going on.

That's true. They don't know, so they just assume ACORN is a liberal organization so they can "alledge" voter fraud. The sad part about statistics is that with proper data it can predict what you'll most likely buy, how you'll vote, and a myriad of other lifestyle events. Contrary to claim, republicans have a HUGE statistical database on voter preferences by race, religion, color, wealth etc. The "southern strategy" wasn't about they're more racists in the south, it was about there are more poor white people who think minorities and immigrants are taking their jobs. They know their base, the only thing that can go wrong for them is that statistics has a very difficult time predicting excursion events. They will happen...

I think there are two reasons.  First of all, high voter turnout is not likely to favor the Grampy/Twit ticket. Secondly, this fabricated scandal keeps our focus away from the Republicans who are rigging the voting machines and purging the voter rolls.  As a bonus, it will position them to cripple Obama's presidency with accusations of voter fraud, minimizing his mandate.  

I think you're exactly right.  Look over here!  Acorn!  Scary voter fraud!  (Don't pay attention to voter caging or anything else.)  Look where we point!  Then, later, no matter what happens, they will do all they can to make sure people "know" that all bad things under the sun are Obama's fault, while the Repugnicants fought valiantly to keep everying "good."

I think we are all getting the message now, ACORN is the reason McCain will lose, the right wing nuts will be yelling ACORN for 4 years.

Exactamundo.  This will be the reasoning by which they will delegitimize an Obama presidency.

Well, even a blind squirrel is bound to find an ACORN nut in the forrest. ;)

ummm somone explain how voter registration fraud equates voter fraud ? even if a guy fills out 3455432 registration cards he can only vote once .mickey mouse and the dead guy arnt gonna turn up to vote so wheres the upside for acorn . seems to me like somone was trying to defraud acorn by collecting money for faked cards

That seems more like what was happening, either that, or there are certainly a bunch of people who want to do something stupid, like fill out a voter registration form indicating that they're Mickey Mouse, or something else just as stupid.

And again, ACORN doesn't actually DO the registrations, which is what these crazed right wingers seem to be portraying, they just turn in the registration cards. Now, if there is some huge voter fraud that happens in November, then indeed, it's still NOT ACORN's fault. Why? Because, they don't confirm the voters, they just turn in the cards. Jeesh...

I would like to believe that the WSJ would not have been so blatant in its ignoring of the facts before it was bought by the sleezyist of sleeze Rupert Murdoch and his evil empire Propaganda........ er News Corp.....

I swear..... I really do believe that the evil media mogul in the Brosnan as James Bond movie from a few years ago... with Michelle Yeoh was fashioned after Murdoch!

It would not suprise me in the least if true!

The liberal defense of ACORN would be laughable if it wasn't such a trevesty on the election process. I'd really like to see the demographics on these "turned in cards" that show how many republicans they registered. I'd be amazed if you found any in there. ACORN is one of the most transparent of scams, and let's face it- your attitudes about "well, let the registrars sort it out" is another waste of tax payer dollars, time, and an effort to muck up the system.  There are enough means to register through annual census, motor votor registration, and hell, just walking into  a town or city clerk's office to register.

And if you're worried about homeless vets not being able to register, I'd really like to see what you'd say if the VFW and AmLegion did what Acorn does. You'd all be screaming from the rooftops that it was a conservative ploy to screw the election process. Look in a mirror... jeez

Are the Troglodytes equally concerned with the illegal systematic purging of voters?  Or the ease with which the electronic voting machines can be flipped? Apparently not.  You're fussing over gnats when there's an elephant crapping on the carpet.

"the statutes of at least nine of those 11 states require third parties registering prospective voters to submit to election officials all registration forms they received -- even those they believed to be false or duplicate applications"

Keep reading this...over and over and over...until you get it: they turned them in because they are REQUIRED to.  It isn't a matter of "let the registrars sort it out" - Hon, that is the REGISTRARS job.  Looking up the meaning of "registrar" might help you sort it out too.

The problem is that ACORN is actively involved in recruiting these fraudulent registrations.

And, the registrars having to deal with all the bs registrations can't be a good thing.

"The problem is that ACORN is actively involved in recruiting these fraudulent registrations."

The problems is: you are WRONG.  Some of the people hired by ACORN submitted fraudulent registrations...for which ACORN TURNED THEM IN TO THE AUTHORITIES...and they also submitted them to the registrara as they are REQUIRED TO DO.

Exactly.  The potential for fraud would be far greater if third party groups were allowed to just toss out registrations at their own discretion.  Actually I seem to recall that did happen in 2004.  I'm a little vague on the details but some group was tossing out cards of people who registered as Dems.  I want to say it was in Nevada but I can't honestly recall.

I have never heard a liberal complain about conservative efforts to register voters.  Of course I've never heard of a conservative effort to register voters.  They prefer to supress.

Why don't you start your own voter registration drive then? It doesn't matter how many republicans they register, or take registrations for. It doesn't matter how many democrats that ACORN registers, or take registrations for. It's not a scam. Allowing American citizens to vote, who are legally eligible to vote is somehow a scam to you? I get it.

Also, did you even read what ACORN does? Probably not, because you just assume that is some sort of liberal scam. Here's the deal MissDee. They take registration cards from people. Once they get them back into their local offices, they make up to, and over 3 phone calls to the numbers listed on the registration forms. If they can't establish that the person who wrote out the registration card is not the person they're calling, they flag it with a coversheet, nothing that it is suspect, and send it into the registrar of voters, as they are REQUIRED to do for them to complete the final review. ACORN is a non partisan organization. They are registering voters, and do other things for their local communities where they are active. What is it about lower economic classes that you have a problem with? I thought it was about pulling one's self up by said bootstraps, and taking responsibility for their own actions? Which is what members of ACORN do, in their local communities. You want to change the direction of the election possibly, and turn the people who you elect towards the issues that you care about, then you register more like minded voters. It still cracks me up that cons like yourself talk about voter registration as something that "mucks" up the system.

Another thing. First, there is no annual census, there is one every 10 years, and you can't register to vote when they take the census numbers.

Motor voter? What about if you don't own a car, or you know, drive?

In larger cities, how many people even know where to locate the town hall, or city hall, and the city clerk's office, especially if you're homeless. Chances are good, they're going to get booted out just for being there.

I'd LOVE to see the VFW and American Legion, and also the DAV do what ACORN is doing, as long as they do it in a non partisan manner, such as ACORN is doing. It wouldn't be a conservative ploy, as long as they don't bring politics into it, like ACORN. They take names, and registrations, flag the suspect ones, and the ones that they can't confirm, and then submit them, as required by the law, for review, and final approval. Also, bear in mind that in the locations where ACORN is doing this, most places have had active voter registration drives going on for the better part of 2008, and they also turn in their registrations 1-2 times per week so that they don't flood the voter registrar, as you're suggesting.

Thing is, you guys don't like poor people voting. That's where all the outcry about ACORN is coming from. Be honest with yourself for a change. Look in the mirror, and just say it out loud, "Poor people shouldn't be voting." You'll feel better in the morning. Also, remember, in 2006, John McCain spoke at an ACORN seminar and gathering, and praised the work that they were doing. My, how times have changed.

Also, ACORN has been found to have done nothing illegal. Voter fraud occurs when fraudelent voters cast votes. Out of all of the registrations that have been completed, and approved by ACORN, not a single ONE can be traced back to any voter fraud.

You guys are just mad because poor people tend to vote democratic.

In an October 10 press release, ACORN noted that "in almost every state we are required to turn in ALL completed applications, even the ones we know to be problematic."

The reason they made that a requirement is that in past years, GOP-sponsored organizations that were doing voter registrations would take all the applications where people registered as Democrats and throw them in the trash.

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Voter Fraud Charges Out West

GOP Group Under Investigation In Oregon; Similar Charges In Nevada

TEMPE, Ariz., Oct. 14, 2004
(CBS) By CBSNews.com Chief Political Writer David Paul Kuhn

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Officials in Oregon have launched a criminal investigation after receiving numerous complaints that a Republican-affiliated group was destroying registration forms filed by Democratic voters statewide, Oregon Secretary of State Bill Bradbury told CBSNews.com.

Meanwhile, CBS affiliate KLAS-TV is reporting accusations of similar malfeasance in Nevada.

Both state's allegations are linked to a Phoenix political consulting firm called Sproul & Associates run by Nathan Sproul, former head of the Arizona Republican Party. Sproul & Associates has received nearly $500,000 from the Republican National Committee this election cycle, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Calls from CBSNews.com to Sproul were not returned.

Late Thursday afternoon, two Democratic senators, Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts, sent a letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft asking the Justice Department to "launch an immediate investigation into the activities of Mr. Sproul and his firm."

According to KLAS-TV, a former employee claimed hundreds, if not thousands, of Democratic registration forms were destroyed by a Sproul & Associates group called Voters Outreach of America.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/14/politics/main649380.shtml

Yeah.  THat's the one I was trying to remember.

The crimes being commited by ACORN won't matter for the presidency.  The Electoral College will make that decision.  And it wouldn't matter even if the popular vote was relevant to selecting the president.  Obama is so far ahead that McCain should drop out now.

The crimes being commited by ACORN

Wrong again.  The "crimes" are being committed by employees of ACORN who saw an opportunity for a quick buck and used the phone book or Disney characters in their registration forms.  It's the JOB of the state registrar to throw out the bogus registrations.  One more time - ACORN has committed the "crime" of hiring some questionable people.  That's it.

The point is they can't receive federal funds or claim their tax entity status if they're partisan. It is unassailable that they are, therefore, are frauds.

ok but i still dont see how filling out bogus cards helps either side u can only vote once regardless of how many cards u fill out . where was the outrage from the right when the califoirnia gop had exactly the same problem in 06?

Well how many Republicans do they register? You should find out. I don't think Fox and others care to tell you. ACORN is an umbrella group that coordinates and works with local community organizations. Voter drives are only part of what they do. If you are trying to help poor and disabled people to vote, they will statistically vote Democratic...but then again, reality has a well known liberal bias.