I guess there is a place in hell for me because I will never help Sarah Palin.

Interesting that a president of a local NOW chapter introduced Palin at her campaign rally.

I wonder how the WITH'ers will spin Palin's introduction by a representative from such a "liberal" organization.

Now we know whats she reads...coffee cups...

Now we know whats she reads...coffee cups...

Posted by redrhino56

Excellent post!

Palin should be ashamed.  She advocates for policies that oppress women, just the type of woman that Albright was talking against in her quote.

Exactamundo, Mary. Palin's just sort of thrashing around like an idiot now, throwing out anything that's fed to her. I don't see a big difference between "help" and "support", but that's beside the point. It's ridiculous for Palin to be even trying to push the idea that supporting her is supporting "women".

Unless she's talking about  instilling a sense of personal responsibility by telling those dames to pull up their bootstraps and shell out for their own rape kits.

I actually KNOW a woman who was beaten and raped, got pregnant as a result, and made the difficult decision to carry that child to term.  It was then adopted.  but I would never tell another woman that she HAD to do that.

There is more to that story, but I'll stop there.  Palin and people who think like her are contemptible and shallow.

A beautiful quote from Albright, used incorrectly by dumbass Palin.

She's been quite busy this weekend, hasn't she? She misquoted albright, claimed Obama pals around with terrorists, and now has asked why aren't the press questioning his Rev. Wright connections. I'd like to know why the press aren't questioning her loony toons church connections, or her husbands well known connections to a terrorist organization that advocated succeeding from the US, who's founder said he hated America?

And what's the friggin' problem with McCain's staff? Geez!

McCain campaign member race baiting in Virginia

Stay classy, Bobby May:

A local newspaper columnist, in a spoof of Obama’s platform, wrote in one recent piece that the Democrat would hire the rapper Ludacris to paint the White House black (a reference to a pro-Obama song by Ludacris), and divert more foreign aid to Africa so "the Obama family there can skim enough to allow them to free their goats and live the American Dream." He joked that Obama would replace the 50 stars on the U.S. flag "with a star and crescent logo," an Islamic symbol, and that his policy on drugs would be to "raise taxes to pay for Obama's inner-city political base."

The columnist, Bobby May, is also treasurer of the Buchanan County Republican Party and was listed in a July news release as the county's representative on McCain's Virginia leadership team, though he said his column reflected his views alone, and he denied it was racist. [LAT]

I wonder if the McCain campaign will ask him to step down, or give him a promotion.

perhaps you mean seceding.

why, I did spell that wrong! We need a spell checker on this site.

Eye no that wood knot halve maid it any bitter.

So far every quote this woman uses is taken completely out of context and often is twisted around to fit her ideology.

I'm more concerned with the quote about small towns from her acceptance speech that she stole from the fascist writer, Westbrook Pegler.

The man who said "some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies." about Robert Kennedy during his 1968 run for the presidency.

Hey W-King, which quote was that?

BTW, I saw Religulous yesterday, and it includes a visit to your beloved Creationist museum. I'd never seen the life size diorama with the children playing at the edge of a pond as a T-Rex frolics nearby. The "curator" describes this display as having a "wow factor" and I can't argue with him.

In her acceptance speech, Palin said:

"A writer observed: "We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty, sincerity, and dignity." I know just the kind of people that writer had in mind when he praised Harry Truman."

The writer she referenced was Westbrook Pegler.

The quote of his I used came from something Robert Kennedy Jr. had written for the Huffington Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/governor-palins-reading-l_b_126478.html

Thanks, WK. I guess I could have used the Googles, but I'm in a Monday lazy ass hobo sort of mood, so I took the Barney route to knowledge. Ask others to do the work!

Thanks Colonel. I had a link to that picture and can't seem to find it now. It's one of my favorite pictures of the last few years.

I've been taking my kids, and now my grandkids to the Natural History Museum at Yale since they were toddlers. I know they'd have a ball at the Creation Museum, but only because they, like their grandfather have a very twisted sense of humor.

We'd probably be thrown out for laughing so much.

WK, here's a good site with a photo-essay, and maybe where the photo came from originally. .Check the comments as you roll over each photo.

AMAZZZZZING! They looked right past her misrepresentation of Albright, who sent out a scathing retort to Palin and noted her misquote yesterday. Instead, the MSM just focuses on style, superfulousness and tactic. Glossed right on by the mistake and the insinuation that you either vote for Palin if you are a woman or you will go to hell. Real nice.

Well sounds like we'll be in good company.

For the record, Ms. Albright made the comment "there is a place in hell for women who do not help/support other women" while speaking to a group of women parliamentarians during a visit to Hungary. And, interestingly, earlier this year, when Hillary Clinton supporters embraced the comment during Hillary's battle with Barack Obama,  Ms. Albright had no opposition to its use in a political setting.

Was Albright talking about women getting elected, or was she talking about women's issues?  It makes a profound difference.

Merrian-Webster online first definition of "help": to give assistance or support ...

"Albright said her remarks 'had nothing to do with politics.'"

Really? Madeline Albright originally made the statement during a visit to Hungary. She was speaking to a group of Hungarian women parliamentarians. And, in March of this year, when Hillary Clinton was vying with Barrack Obama for the Democratic nomination, an online Hillary Clinton forum, which drew nearly a half-million hits, loved Ms. Albright's comment. "There is a special place in hell for women who do not support/help other women" ranked 38th among the hundreds of slogans suggested by Hillary supporters.

I think, in a post a moment ago, I misspelled Barak. I apologize.

OT, but Obama has a 13 minute documentary on McCain and the keating 5 available at noon today. I'd say guilt by guilt beats guilt by association anyday! Here's the link: http://www.keatingeconomics.com/

Here we go now. McCain said they were "going to get tough", but we keep hearing about the same old carrots we heard about back in the primaries. This is nothing new, and stuff like this has been beat to death already by Hillary et all during the primaries. The Ayers thing. The Wright thing. The Rezko thing. And so on and so forth. I'm glad Palin brought up Rev Wright, because now that just leaves it WIDE open for Obama and crew to bring up her wacky pastor, who is by far and wide, a lot crazier than Rev Wright will ever be. Also, she wants to talk about Obama palling around with terrorists? Really? She wants to bring that up? How about her husband as a member of a group who wanted to secede, violently, from the United States, and who as a group, professes to hate the United States and everything that it stands for. Also, didn't she just speak at their convention last year via a video taped message? Hmm... Does she really want to roll those things out about Obama? Because she has a lot worse things in her closet than Obama does. Not to mention she's currently under investigation, one in which she said she would cooperate with, and then decided not to cooperate with. If she keeps this up, she is going to get drilled deep into the ground, since she is associated with far worse people than William Ayers, who, I might add (even though I disagree with the way he went about things) never killed anyone, he never served prison time for what he did, and is now a reformed and respected member of the Chicago community at large. One can't say such things about her pastor. About her secessionist group that her husband belonged to, and so on.

If I may borrow Ann Colter's knack for hyperbole, I believe we are witnessing the demise of the Republican party. If Palin's comments don't reek of desperation, this complaint certainly does. http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20081006/FEC.Complaint/

Exactly. They have NO evidence that he's getting foreign donations, but he must be, because Newsmax said so? Man, that's pretty freakin' funny using them as a source of anything aside from say, a fish wrapper.

What does Palin hope to gain by this? Is she saying every woman in America should support her in her bid to be VP? Because I would interpret that quote (and even the miss quote) as damning to Palin. Her stance on reproductive rights make it very clear that she does not support other women. Gov. Avon Lady (as Bill Maher called her the other night) is the only one who needs to worry about her place in hell.

Exactly, the Obama camp should run an ad about her position on rape kits and abortion and end it with her saying that quote.  That would be brutal.

The role of the Palindrone Twit is clear now.  They'll use her as a talking points parrot, and try to draw the Obama campaign into the gutter, since the real issues are 100% against the Grampy/Twit ticket.  They'll bounce her around the country, speaking in safe, Troglodyte districts where the crowds will drool in approval.  She will avoid the press as much as possible, and if the Obama campaign responds in kind, they'll be accused of "sexism".

Pretty good plan, I guess, when it's all you've got.

Nerz, I saw some footage this morning of Palin speaking in Fla. (Clearwater?), and it must have been to the hardcore base, because it made the talking points she was spouting last week ( when she was supposed to be participating in a debate) sound relatively brilliant.

There are crowds  of wingnuts going to see her, and cheering enthusiastically, but they really have to be the fringe. Even mildly wingnutty Repubs have to be embarrassed by this imbecile.

I read about her appearance in clearwater and found this information. Here's the link.

Reporters weren't permitted to wander around inside Coachman Park in Clearwater to talk to Palin's audience, the St. Petersburg Times reported.

"When reporters tried to leave the designated press area and head to where the crowd was seated, an escort would dart out, confront him or her and say, "Can I help you?" and turn the person around, Times staff writer Eileen Schulte wrote on the paper's Web site. When one reporter asked an escort, who would not give her name, why the press wasn't allowed to mingle, she said that in the past, negative things had been written, Schulte reported."

So much for freedom of the press.

And another reason as to how McCain's campaign now starts to look more and more Bush-like. I'm sure that signed pledges are next before they'll let anyone into a Palin campaign event, or I'm sure that they're screening out people who might disagree with her already.

Big surprise.  No takers in the WITH Patrol so far.  Figures.

I regret my description of Sarah Palin as an idiot, an air-head, a moron, a homophobe, a trash-talkin', uniformed fool.  She is the PERFECT VP pick for John McCain.  PERFECT.  Although I am certain that it was not McCain, personally, that made the choice.  He is incapable of making choices.  It is not that Palin IS all the things I mentioned above, but that she will appeal to all of the idiotic, air-headed, homophobic,trash-talkin', uninformed fools who form the GOP base.  In MY humble opinion, Sarah MAY be all those things. Somehow I can't really believe that anyone COULD be all those things.  My suspicions tell me that she is "doing" a Tina Fey.  Most politicians are good actors and present themselves as something they are not.  That's a given.  Any smart ad person knows, in order to "sell" a product, you need a spokesperson, someone who will give your product a "face" who will target a demographic.  Get it?

Will somebody invite Foser to the mmfa staff meetings...or if he is invited...please listen to him once in a while.

 -- With little more than a month to go before Election Day, voters need the news media to cut through the clutter of the candidates' competing sound bites and spin. They need clear and concise explanations of what, exactly, the candidates would do if elected. And they need the media to provide this every day, not just once in a while.

Unfortunately, they aren't getting it. Instead, they are faced with countless news reports that simply repeat charges and counter-charges or obsess over minor details while failing to provide the big picture - news reports that obscure rather than clarify the candidates' proposals and positions. -- Foser

mmfa has just set a new standard for WITH reporting...I guess they're trying to act like the big media folks. They pick nits over the words help or support.

mmfa cited no source or context for Albright's comments. mmfa cites Conroy, who provides no sourcing or context for Albright's comments. Pitney? He just reports that Conroy said it. If I've missed it...please don't hesitate to correct me.

In the meantime...will someone...hell, anybody...at mmfa listen to Foser. He gets it.

Umm. You do realize that MMFA is reporting ON the reporting. They don't actually report on the news. I'm just saying. It's called being a media watchdog. They don't write the news, they just report ON the news.

Umm...what I realize is that mmfa is complicit in the same shoddy reporting identified by Foser. You and mmfa may want to hide behind the excuse of reporting ON the news...but it doesn't wash. This type of article by mma adds nothing to the story...means nothing to anyone seeking information...it's simply partisan red meat to the legions.

It's exactly as Foser stated so well...just obsessing over minor details. Remember that the next time mmfa piously talks about a certain media reporting a story one way while ignoring a contradictory report from the same media...as well as mmfa ignoring Foser's sound advice.

In Albright's context, "help women" means exactly that, to help women.  In a political context, "support women" means to vote for them.  Albright's quote did not suggest that one bit.

In your next breath, you want to know the context for Albright's comments.  Why?  If context means anything, then it's not "picking nits" to point out the difference between "help" and "support" in differing contexts.  If Albright was talking about women running for office when she made the comment, then you have a point.

Albright made her own comment.  Believe it or don't, but it doesn't look like Palin has any basis for her interpretation, and the media should point that out.

I should say "As it stands on its own, 'help women' means exactly that".  That's absent of a specific context.

Gosh, what do ya do when a pitbull goes rabid ? Polls indicate the electorate's not buying . . except of course in some unusually dense places.