OT, but I knew it was only a matter of time...

What I think you people are missing here is that McCain's relationship with Liddy is acceptable because McCain is a former POW. By contrast, Obama's lack of military heroism leaves him open to all sorts of unrelated criticism, including things that seem directly comparable to situations McCain would find himself in, if he weren't a maverick. Also don't forget that McCain is a straight talker.

We don't know if " military heroism ' is a necessary trait to lead this nation. As a matter of fact the governance of this nation is set up to be run by civilians, not military personnel, lest it be called military dictatorship.  Mr Liddy is a proven felon with a criminal history of a despicable form of home grown terrorrism. And he is now a FOX News contributor, which somehow misteriously lends credence to some form of patritism. Somehow linking Liddy's time in jail and McCain's time in a N Vietnames prison is a slap in the face of McCain.

Military heroism isn't a necessary trait to lead this nation -- it's a necessary trait to avoid criticism by the press (unless you're a Democrat). Being a maverick and a straight talker don't hurt either. BTW, did you know Senator McCain has been to Waziristan, and looked into Putin's eyes?

SNOOPY.  In the event that you're not being fasicious (sp?), I don't necessarily believe McCain's relationship with Liddy means that he thinks everything that Liddy did was okay.  But, military service does not give anyone a free pass on anything.  If anything, that service should put that person under an additional expectation to be truthful, patriotic, law-abiding, and understanding of the human condition.  You must admit, though, that if McCain is willing to take the low road, he should have to answer for his own so-called 'associations.'  Don't forget that he was invited to the birthday party of an organized crime guy this year.  Now, that's what I call 'palling around.'

Id MM really trying to equate Gordon Liddy and William Ayers?

They've got to be kidding.

Liddy did NOT bomb the Pentagon and other government buildings.

And for MM to imply that the NY Times is anti-Obama is downright laughable.

Many of the "mentions" that MM cites are only passing references that downplay or dismiss the Obama-Ayers association!

So are we to assume that you condone Liddy's actions?  He was convicted.  Ayers wasn't.  Do you even know what Liddy did?

historygeek001: "So are we to assume that you condone Liddy's actions?"

How on earth do you glean that from my comment? What part of "equate" don't you understand?

Being a Military hero didn't get John Kerry a pass. They merely put out band-aids with purple hearts on them. Really supporting the troops with that one.

 I also heard Liddy on some radio show in the nineties talking about using pictures of Bill and Hillary Clinton for target practice. I couldn't believe what I was hearing, and couldn't believe that there wasn't any kind of uproar. it wasn't any of the major rightie shows. I can't remember which one of the local shows it was. At the time, though there wasn't anything like Media Matters, or any of the sites we have today. I think it'd be splashed all over the news if he did something like that now.

Liddy advocated the murder of federal agents in 1992, when he called on the American domestic right wing terrorists, specfically the right wing racist white supremacist Aryan Nation terrorists, to shoot federal agents in the head.  Add to that, Randi Rhodes reported that Liddy once planned for, or called for, the murder of Nixon's political enemies.

The NEA (or the FEA) is a racist organization?

LOL, no. As a member of the NEA, I can confirm that we are in fact a terrorist organization.

I knew they weren't, but I was just applying the broad brush like some others here that tend to label all of a certain group the same as idiots (for the lack of a better word at the moment) associated with that group.  The fool noted above is an idiot and his actions are his alone.

As an artist/woodworker, I agree. I make (and sell to craft galleries all over the country) Exotic wood, inlay handled letter openers which under the patriot act are also considered weapons of mass destruction. I am also an America hater as I believe we should have never invaded Iraq which will soon be renamed Desertistan or It'sfreekinghotashellistan. As a Ky artist and member of the Ky. guild of artists and craftsmen, I call my letter openers "Kentucky brain testers. You stick the sharp end in your left ear and poke it thru till it comes out your right ear. If you feel no pain, you got no brain" I sent one to bush and when he put it in his left ear it fell to the bottom of his head.

It's what Rick Perlstein calls, FNB politics. 

"With little to show the electorate in 2008—after six years of uninterrupted control—besides sub-standard care from a privatized workforce at Walter Reed Hospital, thrice-married “family values” presidential candidates, and a boom in home foreclosures, the conservative base’s 2008 strategy has begun to emerge: Weaken the major Democratic opponents by making their image unpalatable to the public."

I guess according to McCain and the NYT since Liddy has his own radio show it is not an issue.  To me Liddy is scum and McCain is a hypocrite.

"I guess according to McCain and the NYT since Liddy has his own radio show it is not an issue.  To me Liddy is scum and McCain is a hypocrite."

And the people who support Liar McCain and Violent Liar Liddy are lying hypocrites, in addition to also being violent sociopaths.

For some reason, the MSM thinks 60s bashing is sexy. And Liddy isn't. I think that explains the discrepancy. It's become the new big myth that the 60s was a failure-- especially among young people who weren't there-- and Liddy is considered to be cool and funny.

The 60's were groovy, you dig? I thought the word "cool" died in the 50's and bell bottoms had gone forever in the late 70's. This could portend bush running against Obama in 2012. Is it possible bush could scam another election and 3rd term? mickey c. could be his VP and we could go back to Nam and finish the job by cracky! Or. am I having a nightmare while awake?

Far in, right off, out of state. Report for regrooving.

The Times article though refuted all the allegations against Obama because of his limited association with Ayers. Further, Palin just now accused Obama of consorting with terrorists, hopefully this will get play, it is like the cover of the New Yorker that was a parody of this stuff.

what about mccain's association with the palins themselves? the palins were members of the alaska independence party...an organization whose primary goal is to destroy the union.,, where's the outrage?

as for character... mccain deserted his crippled 1st wife to marry his rich mistress.... how low is that?

here's  the answer to the riddle-- McCain has Gordon Liddy in his past regarding Watergate, but Palin has Gordon Liddy in her immediate present circle in regards to drilling in Alaska


here's the article

Group hires Liddy of Watergate fame to promote Alaska petroleum drilling
http://juneauempire.com/stories/042008/sta_270391952.shtml

"ANCHORAGE - The lobbying group that uses state of Alaska money to push for petroleum drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge has hired Watergate conspirator and talk radio host G. Gordon Liddy to broadcast live from Alaska.

Arctic Power spokesman Adrian Herrera said Liddy was hired to broadcast from Alaska for five days in mid-July. His listeners are mostly blue collar and middle-aged, Herrera said."

seems like there's some vested interest  in this. Palin's husband is also with BP-- so how much money goes around and into the back pocket when Palin is chanting "Drill, baby, drill"  as she corrected Biden.


and does Biden have any personal interests?  Seems like there's  a Halliburton going on here.

The more parallels they have, the more I become disinterested in either of them.

what do you mean?

Why is the media ignoring the fact that there are 6 candidates who could win? The exclusion from the public debates is a violation of basic democratic principles! Please send this video to others: 5 Friends? Hell, tell 10 and tell them there are 6 presidential candidates who are on the ballot in enough states to win enough electoral votes to win the election: Ralph Nader, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, Chuck Baldwin, Obama and McCain

Why is the media ignoring the fact that there are 6 candidates who could win?

Because there are not six candidates who could win.

loonz , yes there are, there are 6 presidential candidates who are on the ballot in enough states to win enough electoral votes to win the election: Ralph Nader, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, Chuck Baldwin, Obama and McCain

In the US, the voting goes by state and these candidates are on the ballots in the overwhelming majority of them. For example, Nader is a factor. The media is being DISHONEST.

You're missing the point.  There may be 6 presidential candidates, but not 6 who could win.  Unless you're referring to the possibility that Obama and McCain both die in the next 30 days.  I think there'd be a better chance of my winning the lottery.

If you'd like to see more names on the ballot, I assume you're working on a grass roots level to bring run-off voting to city/county/and state elections; also working in a 3rd party to get local candidates elected. 

Ralph Nader lost my respect when he played spoiler against Gore and only appeared in the aftermath of that to hawk a book or run for president. 

Not only does McCain need to answer abour Liddy, but Palin needs to also answer about her association with the anit-American, separatist group in Alaska.

Why is everyone ignoring the real terrorist coddlers here? Todd  Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party until 2002 and just earlier this year, Sarah Palin addressed their members by video and told them to "keep up the good work". The AIP pushes for secession from the U.S. and it's founder, Joe Volger stated that he had no use for America or her "damned institutions." The AIP also connects with other militia groups around the country and the world, including the Chechen separtists who have recently been accepting aid from Al Qaida. This is no stretch either. These are documented associations and I have no idea why  the Obama camp doesn't  jump on them. The AIP is a bonafide anti-American organization --- it could even be logically said to be a terrorist sponsoring organization--- and Sarah Palin and her family's ties to it should be bought up by the Obama campaign. But, nnooo, we Democrats are too nice for such gutter fighting.

Help me get this  - McCain's pal Liddy is a convicted felon . . right ?  And Obama's passing acquaintance Ayers hasn't been convicted (or even charged ?)  Yet Palin  and the NY Times try to stick Obama with leftover stink from forty years ago . . right ?  Somebody's spinning some toxic fuzz here . . . to us it's like cotton candy for a hungry heart . . . please address real issues . . . this is rubber bones for starving dogs . . . do your job dammit ! 

The right wing conservative New York Times wants Liar McCain elected.  They're more likely to attack Media Matters for mentioning McCain's being supported by Liar Liddy.

30+ year old crimes.  Ayers, never convicted.  Liddy, convicted, did his time.  Nothing to see hear folks, let's get back to what we do about economy, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, SSI, healthcare, etc., etc.. 

They are ignoring it because Liddy is not a freaking terrorist like Ayers! 

Violent criminal Liar Liddy advocated the cold blooded murder of federal agents by the violent American right wing racist white supremacist terrorist Aryan Nations in 1992, when Liddy said that the right wing terrorists should shoot federal agents in the head.  But since the racist white supremacist Aryan Nations are RIGHT WING AMERICAN domestic terrorists, that's just fine with you.

But Liddy is a convicted felon, unlike Ayers.  A convicted felon who was sentenced to 20 years in prison.  A covicted felon who was okay with subverting the electoral system.  A convicted felon who wanted to kidnap and kill journalists.  But I guess, in the hypocracy filled head of the republicans, that kind of stuff does not matter.  Huh?

i dont know much about either candidate's history, but i do know that everyone has bad people supporting them and bad people as friends so maybe nobody should run for president.