This is 'gotcha' style journalism at its worst, Eric.  The journalism of gotcha must be removed from the MSM, because we shouldn't be skeptical of what our candidates say and do.  Even if they have misled or betrayed us in the past, we have to accept everything they say at face value, and promise to never question it.  That is what journalism is really about.

</sarcasm> as if it were really necessary...

I'm sick and tired of the media being biased against made up facts and doublespeak...

Another outstanding piece from Eric. Thank you!!!!

Thanks for the laugh.

I needed a good knee-slapper today.

You know, Rusty Shackleford hasn't denied taking any illeagal drugs this week. Suspicious?

"Can I just say that "I think they're lying" could pretty much double as the right-wing blogosphere's motto? Because whenever they come up against a set of stubborn facts they don't like or can't disprove, they just reach for the "I think they're lying" card and plow ahead, usually straight into oblivion, as with the Jawa Report's "investigation."

Anyone remember the movie 'Enemy of the State'...... the rightwing gov't wack jobs that assumed Will Smith's charactor was lying about not knowing about the 'videos' existance which led them to lose it even more when Gene Hackman's charactor showed up and how it got them killed in the end because of their blind paranoia....... I think that describes the rightwing blogosphere and FoxNoise to a tee!!

As for Rusty Shackleford....... didn't he used to come in here? I have not seen him in quite some time here at MMfA.... unless he still is under another name? Max Dharma perhaps?

Our Rusty is not this guy. And if you search for some old posts from the Rusty who once posted here on a regular basis, you'll see that he is nothing like Max.

He was proud to be a liberal and had a great sense of humor. I think the constant, petty bickering here got to be too much for him. He's been missed.

This isn't the same Rusty that used to participate here, is it? :o) And even if it isn't, Rusty's little nom de plume was lifted straight from the animated series "King of the Hill," because it is Dale Gribble's second identity (I think it's what he sends in on his tax forms?).

Wrong. Because in truth, as the bloggers buzzed around the story last week, they did not know who did the voice-over work on the Winner video

True.  But if her identity didn't matter why was her name never made public?

Right-wing bloggers leave their stain on the campaign

by Eric Boehlert

Oh, how the mighty have fallen...

Would someone like to explain to me how this article by Eric Boehlert is in any way fulfilling the MMFA charter of correcting conservative misinformation in the media?

To me it sounds like a bunch of left-wing gloating.

Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

 Lies!

To me it sounds like a bunch of left-wing gloating.

Get used to it.  There'll be lots more gloating once we get a competent president elected in 30-some days.  The days of ineptitude are numbered.  But you're more than welcome to come along for the ride.

Oh now, don’t go counting your chickens before they’ve hatched!

All we need to do is vote on the economic recovery plan and turn our gaze back to Iraq/Iran and Afghanistan and BAM! McCain wins :)

"and turn our gaze back to Iraq/Iran and Afghanistan and BAM! McCain wins :)"

Max, you appear to have little confidence in your fellow citizens to see through the bull crap that spews from Grampy's/Bush's/rightwing ideologist's mouths.......

Since enough Dems saw the $700 billion bailout for what it was and Gramps decided to take credit for it's passing before it was even voted on and Sarah Palin's virtually inept interviews....... bad judgement

If there is any small amount of doubt that McSame/Palin (bad judgement again) are done, over and out..... that doubt will be verified 'gone' by 11pm Thursday night!!

As for Iran/Iraq.... basically the middle east...... you do realize that as long as we (US foreign policy) are there telling them how to live their lives and helping keep the oppressors of those that live in that region in power... at the behest of the corporation, we will have people on Earth that will want to destroy us..... do everything in the opposite direction and you take away their motivation for hating us..... but.... doing the correct thing is not possible for those of the conservative rightwing persuasion!

... correcting conservative misinformation in the media? To me it sounds like a bunch of left-wing gloating.

So, in your world, pointing out the intellectual dishonesty and corruption, the lack of logical correlation and the over-dependence on insinuation and innuendo, qualifies as gloating? And doesn't advance the mission of correcting misinformation? Wow! I knew you folks created your own "realties" and all (up is down, black is white, right is wrong, etc). but ... just wow! Mind-blowingly delusional thinking you've got going on there!

Because it was a stupid YouTube video. Who cares? If I lended the voice for my friend's hobbyist video, I would not want my name released to the right wing bloggers.

But what brought CBS and Dan Rather-not down was the fact that he lied about the documents.  His coverup was even more pathetic.

Kerry was an easy target because of all of his falsehoods about when and if he was ever in Cambodia, and military record.  Others tried to step up and defend him, but he remained silent to the Swiftboaters because they spoke the truth and he wanted no part of a close look at his military record and anti-soldier comments upon his return.

The left has nothing to show for all searching of Palin and McCain's background.  Main stream media can't come forth with garbage like they tried with Bush because they no they have no standing with Americans.  They also have avoided the questions of Barak, his leftist links, his academic records because they are in the tank for a leftist who espouses their ideology.  Seriously, if Palin said half the stupid things that Biden has uttered since his addition to the democrat ticket, would not the msm be all over it?  Imagine her saying that Romney would have been better qualified as a VP, the news cycle would be on it 24/7.  Or that we weren't going to ever use coal gasification for energy when an ad includes Obama's specific support of that for the benefit of Southern Illinois coal miners.  Such buffonery would be lampooned on SNL and msm ad nauseum.

The breakdown here is in the msm's desire to bring a leftist to power, certainly more than the seeking of truth.  Maybe the right wing blogs haven't hit home runs this time, but events, such as in the last days, gives a chance to expose democrats for what they are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

Typical. There might be some call for context on some of those short quotes. Yes the money and the lobbyists occasionally worked on democrats too. Yes, on the occasion a republican would do more than make noises. What was accomplished out of republican calls for more regulation?

The republican option recently offered seems like more of the same. Tax breaks, and deregulation for our good friends.

McChange has been giving out statements lately that seem more of political use than economic use. No matter which side of the issue he thinks he supports today.

The SBVFT have been proven to be a group paid to destroy Senator Kerry's record and his chances of becoming president.

If what they, and you, claim to be the truth is true, then all military records from those days are suspect including all of the records of John McCain.

Why would we believe anything that the government or he says about his missions, his captivity or anything else? if we're to accept that Kerry's records are not accurate then neither are McCain's?

And you've got some set of balls to describe what John Kerry said after he returned from Vietnam as being anti-soldier.

Were you one of the soldiers he spoke about?  What you and many who weren't around back then don't understand is that many soldiers thought that John Kerry gave voice and support to their own beliefs.

Sure Joe Biden can match Sarah Palin gaffe for gaffe, but I'd put his intellect up against any of the candidates running. All but Palin have shown the ability to listen, to learn, to examine and extrapolate. Sure he'll make a few mistakes. But none  will be as glaring as the Republican candidate's confusion concerning the different factions in Iraq or the border between Iraq and Pakistan. None will come close to the platitudes and vagaries that seem to spew from Palin's mouth whenever anyone asks a question.

The right wants to focus on gaffes, as long as they're Biden's gaffes. They want to focus on age and longevity in Washington, as long as it's Biden's age. They want to dwell on past associations, as long as they're Obama's.

I've boiled it all down and there is one word to describe what each party represents on November 4.

Your choices are a vote for fear (R) or a vote for hope (D).

Kerry has NEVER cleared his name of the accusations that he fostered because of his own lies and exaggerations.  Others have tried on his behalf but since he's not beenforthcoming himself, their attempts have always fallen short.

Still today, one of America's concerns is that they know little of Obama's background.  Where is the media on this?  Nowhere because he is a leftist and reflects the media's ideology and they don't want scrutinty of his past associations because of what that might reveal.

What exactly did he do as a community organizer?  Why has he not released his academic records from undergrad and post bacheloreate work at Harvard?  What was his work while an attorney?  What is the full nature of his relationship with Bill Ayers, Frank Davis both avowed communists?  Why did he seek the endorsement of the New Party when he first ran for office, an off shoot of the Chicago Democratic Socialists of America?

So your vote boils down to (R) what we know or a vote for (D) what we hope for, but don't really know for sure or would rather you not know.

PROUDCONSERVATIVE

None of the SVVFT served with Kerry. One of the men who actually served with Kerry posts here quite frequently. I'll take his word and the word of the official US Navy records over yours any day.

If you want to doubt Kerry's record, then you've got to suspect everyones records.

You and other righties who post here seem to have a lot of issues about what happened in Vietnam. More so than those of us who actually served there.

 It's time to heal those wounds and get on with living. 

I suggest a course in critical thinking.  That might help your problem.

H.Geek001....Having read many posts of the PCwonder. I think you should edit you comment to read 'basic thinking' as a first step to recovery. He doesn't realize that Kerry is not running for President but it changes the course of the thread.

Also, bloggers like Micky Malkin are children with keyboards. And PC, go to TruthorFiction.com for your answers. And quit believing Internet rumors...which takes us back to basic thinking.

Maybe I'm just too optimistic; I keep hoping that when faced with reality and obviously false talking points, that reality will triumph, even in the minds of those who don't like what they see.

PC wrote:

>>Kerry has NEVER cleared his name of the accusations that he fostered because of his own lies and exaggerations.  Others have tried on his behalf but since he's not beenforthcoming himself, their attempts have always fallen short.

Good God, what a bunch of crap! It is not the job of Kerry to clear his name; it is the job of the accusers to prove their claims. That is how it works in modern day society. Maybe you want to go back to medieval thinking, when the accused had to shoulder the burden of the claim. Unfortunately for you, this thing called the enlightenment happened.

It is proven that the Swift Boats are a bunch of lairs. For example:

link

Of course, the press has delved into Obama's background. Your suggestion that Obama has some type of unknown background is absurd, not backed up by any proof.

If someone, or a group had so impinged an individual's name, wouldn't the wronged individual want to clear their name?  I know I would and know of Viet vets that were harmed by his baseless accusations and attempted to make clear that they served honorably and were not the killers of babies/torturers that he claimed.  Not him becasuse there was truth in the attack and thus the prayerful silence that all would go away.  I get slammed for linking to slate, why would a link to Media Matters (for very little) have any credibility by the by?

The press has not delved, or Americans would be proudly proclaiming his leftist inclinations and mentors.  For instance, "did you ever represent a group like ACORN in court threatening a local bank with accusations of restrictive lending practices that impacted poor minorities that could not afford a mortgage in the first place?  He refuses, and has really never been asked about his 'community organizing' or work as an attorney.  Instead, to look into those things is stricltly verbotten and dismissed by the very msm that is in the tank for him. 

That's why we need more people to look at the video of the hearings and see who was responsible for this failure of government, at the time when republicans were in power but afraid of being labeled racist for exposing criminality in fannie/freddie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

PC wrote:

>>If someone, or a group had so impinged an individual's name, wouldn't the wronged individual want to clear their name?

Uhg! You still don't understand how modern thinking works. If I accuse you of being a canibal, and I present no proof, how are you to defend against my claim? Are you going to show me every single second of your life to show you never engaged in cannibalism? You can't prove a negative. As I show below, the swift boaters are proven liars. (I noticed you didn't even try to refute that link, which shows you know it is true.)

Kerry never called teh soldeirs baby killers. He reported *their own words* in a congressional hearing. This has been shown again and again.

No one slammed you for linking to slate. I stated that the author was a libetarian, so his history wasn't defnititive. You don't want to look at the link from MMFA. Or rather, I'm sure you looked at it, and it devastated your argument about the Swift Boat liars. So your only answer is that you won't accept a link from MMFA. That is your choice, but the item uses the words of the Swift Boaters, and there can be little doubt that they are liars.

If you want Obam to answer questions about his character, how about this for McCain: did you reveal secrets to the Communist when you were captured? How about if someone said that this should be looked into? You would naturally and rightly say that that question is grossly unfair. The press should ask questions if there is legitimate doubt. They should not just ask questions to please reactionary right wingers.

And as I keep pointing out, that video is simply an editioral. Have you seen the other items that MMFA has posted recently, showing Frank wasn't against regulation?

proudconservative: I believe you mean impugned.  Perhaps you may consider english lessons, or at least the use of a thesaurus.  After you complete the critical thinking lesson you so desperately need.

Please explain your theory of how encouraging lending to minorities led the current debacle, it should be a lesson in twisted logic.

PC wrote:

[link to video]

By the way, the takes from that video are from 2004. That is when the Repubs controlled both houses of congress and the presidency. The Repubs passed the bill in quesiton in 2004.

Gee, what a surprise you wouldn't know this from an editorial video.

Ah, the logic that a campaign is linked to a video because the video might feature the same voiceover artist as campaign ads is quite liberating!  For example, Carly Fiorina works for McCain.  Fiorina was also my boss' boss' boss' boss' boss several years ago.  Therefore, I'm also connected to the McCain campaign.  Now we can see how every time I explain my opposition to McCain to a Dutch colleague working in Austria I'm actually spreading misinformation subtly designed to increase McCain's support.

Perhaps there's another good path.  Fiorina is obscenely wealthy, and I once worked as one of her minions.  Those associated with Fiorina also tend to be extremely wealthy.  My previous employment under her means I'm associated with Fiorina.  Association = wealth in this case, so I must be wealthy.  I think I'll explain this newfound wealth to the bank so that we can expand our boathouse and purchase a few new shells!

It is fun to twist relationships and logic like this!

I find it incredible that this article uses the word "stain" in reference to only irght wing bloggers, when there are blogs like the Kos and this one shovleing their ensilage and fertilizer with such automated precision and proclivity. Apparently hypocrisy knows no bounds. LOL

the Kos?  Is that something you find on the internets using the Google?

BTW - nice fancy words, shame you used "proclivity" inappropriately.  Remember, just because the Thesaurus gives it as a suggestion doesn't mean that it fits the syntax you have in mind. You get tonight's Golden Shovel Award!

Geez, Boehlert, you must have written a couple of thousand words focusing on something you consider of so little significance which leads one to believe that  you really, really. don't think the rightwing bloggers went into a trivial investigation. Look how hard and how much time you spend defending your point. Seems like you were trying to convince yourself into believing what isn't true. Oh, and will you be chuckling when the Muslims take over America and you and the rightwing bloggers will be forced to shut down your debates.  The only chuckling your wife, daughters, sisters, mother will be doing will be under a berkah;have a happy life facing the west , bowing on your prayer mat, giving thanks to The Great Obama.

Please explain how any conceivable scenario in which America will turn into an Islamic state?

And talk about wasting time, how much time do you bedwetters spend worrying about this prayer mat and wives wearing burkas nonsense.