This is the only *man* I've EVER heard saying 'stole my very birthright..'  And how does one qualify for it?  Do you need a credit card, two forms of ID and a money order? 

you need a GED.

Your birthright to a society in which people treat you better than others, simply because you are white and they are not?

"They imposed affirmative action on me and stole my very birthright simply because I was white."

   Yawn... yet another story by mmfa about stolen birthrights. How many is that, now? about 235? This is the only web site that even cares about birthrights....well birthrights of ONE person. Keep up...yawn...the good work, mmfa. So many people care about this issue!

Apparently Savage is the one who cares about "birthright".  MMfA just points it out because it's racist, which isn't something you would seem to excuse since it's a right-winger in question.

Pardon the underedit.  Obviously that's "which is something you would seem to excuse...".

"My value system is from another world"

No Savage....... you are from another world! Not just your values! (What ever those are?) You worthless piece of white trash!

Yeah... like the underworld?

"White trash" is an ugly, racist term. I don't disagree that Savage is white, or a piece of trash, but I find "white trash" patently offensive. I see from further down that others feel free to use it as well, but I think it's hypocrisy for us MMFA readers to lambast racist talk in the media and then turn around and employ racist terms ourselves.

I agree but remember sometimes you have to fight fire with fire, for that is the only language they understand.

I don't feel that applies here. This would be more akin to an eye for an eye making the whole world blind IMHO.

Is Savage admitting that he couldn't make it as a liberal? Seems like it.

Talk Radio Network must be very proud of this *man* and his *show*.  Seriously, who could POSSIBLY say to themselves 'You know, this guy is GREAT!  He's cutting edge and smart- let's broadcast him to millions and have them all be enlightened!'

My parents were little kids during the impression, so I guess I'm from another world. I just don't feel that my birthright was stolen because I wasn't handed everything to me. I am a white heterosexual male, but I'm not a Christian, maybe that's the box I didn't check.

What a whiny, bitter, jealous loaf this guy is. He's probably rich, and he's semi-famous, but angry as hell because it wasn't as easy getting there as he thinks it should have been.

For you kids not familiar with The Great Impression, maybe crack a history book once in a while. You probably don't even know the names Little and Gorshin.

I'm sorry, I don't do impressions.

And here I am thinking you meant Cassat, Manet, Cézanne and Degas.

I was thinking Rich Little and Frank Caliendo.

Boy, the racists just keep tooting their horns, don't they? Not just savage, but here's something I found on C&L about Maulkin. Seems Maulkin blames brown people for the mortgage crisis too...

Conservatives like Malkin will go to the ends of the earth to blame brown people for all the problems in the world.

It’s no coincidence that most of the areas hardest hit by the foreclosure wave - Loudoun County, Va., California’s Inland Empire, Stockton and San Joaquin Valley, and Las Vegas and Phoenix, for starters - also happen to be some of the nation’s largest illegal-alien sanctuaries. Half of the mortgages to Hispanics are subprime (the accursed species of loan to borrowers with the shadiest credit histories). A quarter of all those subprime loans are in default and foreclosure.

Regional reports across the country have decried the subprime meltdown’s impact on illegal-immigrant “victims.” A July report showed that in seven of the ten metro areas with the highest foreclosure rates, Hispanics represented at least one third of the population; in two of those areas - Merced and Salinas-Monterey, Calif. - Hispanics comprised half the population. The amnesty-promoting National Council of La Raza and its Development Fund have received millions in federal funds to “counsel” their constituents on obtaining mortgages with little to no money down; the group almost succeeded in attaching a $10-million earmark for itself in one of the housing bills past this spring…read on

California’s Inland Empire...

That's the 909, Snoopy. A substantial Latino population, but much better known for it's white trash, meth lab, 4x4 truck qualities.

That truck would look freaking sweet if if had "PSychologial NudITy" like, painted on the side in the ROCKSTAR energy drink font. Freaking sweet. Is that the truck Rick Robert's kid couldn't buy cause the illegals get SSI? Savage's rectum is bleeding all over his mic these days.

Somebody get Malkin a mirror.

I love how she conflates Hispanics with illegal aliens, and then asserts the causality that these sanctuaries ---> foreclosures, with nothing else being a factor, like, say, the economy.

As a therapist, I must tell you Col. Sanders, there is very little effective treatment for racists.   They have such poor identity problems that they must find a bunch of people they can feel way superior to.  Amazing that racism is either learned at the  mama or daddy's feet, or it is a method people with very poor self image cling to to make them feel better about themselves.

I wonder if the idiots ever considered that maybe these latinos and other groups were prime targets for predatory lenders who pushed through loans where they deliberately lied about the terms and consequences of them.

I'm sure they don't even consider "no doc" loans as part of the equation. No, they just want to blame everyone but themselves for the collapse of "the free market".

Or maybe they were a prime target of a bad economy.

Birthright??? WTF is he talking about. Whenever I hear people like him talk about birthright, what they mean is that they can't discrimnate any more. They're supposed to be fair and act with as little prejudice as possible. to treat people with dignity and respect. And it drives them crazy. They want to go back to the way it was, where white males were "in charge" so to speak. Giving those who used to be "undeserving" a chance drives them crazy. "Equal pay for equal work! You're stealing my birthright! I can't discriminate against anybody I want! You're stealing my birthright!"

I have absolutely no idea what a white male's birthright is in America.  Did he go on to clarify what he meant?  Or is peebs755 correct in his/her assertion that it's code for white supremacy.

It's barely code, really.  If someone thinks their natural rights are being taken away because black people are made equal, then of course those rights mean racial superiority.

By the way, doesn't Savage like to talk about the "victim mentality" of black people, or is that some other nutcase?

I can only assume that Savage is referring to the by-product of affirmative action,  which is reverse discrimination. However for him to whine about it given he makes a living off of sweeping unfair generalizations and shock jockery insanity, he doesn't get much sympathy from me. 

Peddle your complaints elsewhere, crybaby....

If you believe that all people are inherently equal and deserving, then what is "reverse discrimination"?

Let's say 50% of people are white, 50% various minorities.  If you work within the idea that people are equal, then acceptance into universities and jobs should reflect those percentages.  A white kid who is in the bottom half of candidates shouldn't get in, because that pushes someone who is in the top half of their particular group out.

So "reverse discrimination" is just the result that you should get anyway if you think that all people are equal.  Why is that concept valid for Savage or anyone at all?

I never said anyone is inherently "deserving", no clue where you got that.  Affirmative action is the very act of discrimination itself, it's just in reverse.

just a question. If its the REVERSE of discrimination, doesn't that make it NOT discrimination. Reverse of black is white. White is NOT black. Reverse of good is bad. Bad is NOT good. The reverse of discrimination is INCLUSION. Inclusion is NOT discrimination.

I didn't say it was the reverse OF discrimination, it is discrimination, just reverse. In other words, instead of "fixing" discrimination, which is what it supposedly intends to accomplish, it actually discriminates against another.

Do you think people are inherently equal or not?

Because if you do, then discrimination for the purpose of social justice certainly does remedy past discrimination against minorities.

Equal?, yes.  Deserving?, which you made up, no.  So we keep affirmative action in place to remedy past discrimination?  How long?

"Made up"?  Who am I supposed to be misrepresenting, and how?

If people are equal, then they deserve the same treatment and opportunites.  Why not keep it in place until the disparity between education and income becomes negligible?

I never said anything about deserving at all.  That implies that all people are equal in what they deserve, regardless of performance, character, actions or otherwise. 

Another attempt by you to derail an argument by inserting something I never said or meant.  Your dishonesty in that area "deserves" no response from me.  If and when you ever decide to argue with integrity, you let me know.

So people are equal...how?  If they don't perform the same, they don't have the same character, what else is left?

You never said anything about "equal" either, if you go back and look.  I didn't attribute anything to you at all, I asked you a question.  Why you are going off about this fantasy that I'm "inserting" something that doesn't belong is a mystery.

Look at my first post on this topic and tell me who derailed it into an argument about the word "deserve", a word that you introduced to jumpstart an argument, dishonestly.  Sorry, arguing with you over something I never said, implied, or intimated is of no interest to me, anymore.  Meh...

"I can only assume that Savage is referring to the by-product of affirmative action,  which is reverse discrimination. However for him to whine about it given he makes a living off of sweeping unfair generalizations and shock jockery insanity, he doesn't get much sympathy from me...Peddle your complaints elsewhere, crybaby...."

I never implied that you said anything about "deserved" or "equal" for that matter.  I asked you a question about your comment above, plain and simple.  You're not fooling anyone with this victim act.

"If you believe that all people are inherently equal and deserving........."

You said it and now you try and back away from it, just to argue.  You are indeed pathetic.  Who is playing victim now?

I'm not trying to back away from anything.  I know what I said, my point is that I  didn't say or imply that you said anything about "deserving" at all.  Show me where I did so, please.

Which was the Supreme Court's reasoning.  They said that despite all attempts to rectify discimination, they acknowledged it still did, and would continue, to exist.  Thus, they directly countered it- good for them. 

Ok, let's send all the unachiever to Harvard and the high GPA's to Community College.  That ought to right the apple cart.

No, you send the intelligent people of every race to Harvard.  The point is that since all races are equal, you base judgment on more than just GPA.  Poorer areas, which are disproportionately black, have poorer schools.  Those people also might have to work while going to school to help with the bills.  An inferior white student who had money for tutors might show up better than a black student who has a ton of potential.  That is the sort of thing that keeps institutional racism going.

Glad I could clear up that little misunderstanding you had.

Well seeing as they were using firehoses, attack dogs, lynching and murdering blacks as recently as the sixties, I think minorities should have a little more time to reach equilibrium.

I have absolutely no idea what a white male's birthright is in America.  Did he go on to clarify what he meant?  Or is peebs755 correct in his/her assertion that it's code for white supremacy.

It's code for white supremacy.  Like the guy they used to call "Gun Nut Ron", who phoned in to all the radio talk shows back when I lived in Colorado.  He actually said a few times over the air that the biggest problem he had with Affirmative Action was that it took jobs away from white men.

BTW, this guy was (and probably still is) very active in the Republican Party in Colorado Springs, so I suspect that his viewpoints are rather mainstream in conservative circles in many regions.....

As in, it is my solemn birthright to own and traffic in human beings and you liberals have stolen it from me. 

Aw boo hoo Mr. put upon Savage

Hey asswipe, why not thank your lucky stars that you didn't need something like affirmative action to help you get a leg up to a level playing field because you are WHITE.

Gawd this guy is a freak!

Speaking of boo hoo Jeter, what's up with all the republicans sniffling about hurt feelings today? They couldn't vote for the bailout because mean ol' Nancy Pelosi hurt their feelings? ;)

That cracked me up- I watch C-span all the time and believe me, NOBODY gets emotional, much less affected by ANYONE'S speech (99% of the time, no one else is even there!).

Exactly what birthright is Savage speaking of...and exactly how was it stolen from him? Sounds to me more like the paranoid, delusional rantings of a madman. Savage should be extremely grateful that he's gotten rich because, by some quirk if fate, spouting crazy, incoherent bullshet into a radio microphone these days pays extraordinarily well.

Savage thinks his borthright is a $400 million contract like Lush's.

"Irony 101" has it right with these remarks:

Exactly what birthright is Savage speaking of...and exactly how was it stolen from him? Sounds to me more like the paranoid, delusional rantings of a madman.

Which, come to think of it, sounds like something out of apartheid South Africa as sought to expect whites (especially so those of Afrikaner origin) to maintain support for apartheid.

("Afrikaner" is a South African term used with reference to such descended from the original waves of Dutch/German/French Huguenot immigration to the Cape of Good Hope colony, starting under Jan van Riebeck in 1654. Their traditional language, Afrikaans, is a close relative of Middle Dutch.)

Bitter? Of course not! The Silly Savage says his values system comes from another world. I'll say! Sounds like the Deep South, circa 1850...

Boy! Weiner sure has overcome some adversity in his life. It's not every obnoxious white male who ends up with a nationally syndicated show. Of course nearly everyone with a nationally syndicated radio show is an obnoxious white male but still what are the odds? Think of all the obnoxious white males who don't have nationally syndicated radio shows. Me for example. What about my birthright? I want a million dollars a year for going on the radio and ranting about crap I don't know the first thing about.

You know, I think I heard KNEW online use that line as a promo for his show.

This guy sure has a strong sense of entitlement and a wide range of things that fall under his "birthright".

What words come to mind when I hear a Savage rant? Clozapine is the first; then risperidone, olanzapine, quetiapine, and ziprasidone. There are others of course; but these, at least, are safer than most. But even at $2000.00 an hour I wouldn't want to have to spend even one minute in a room alone with him to try and figure it out. Gotta go now. After looking at his deranged face at the top of this page for the last two minutes I need a shower.

Why doesn't he just finish the speech? ...The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight. Thus it denies the value of personality in man, contests the significance of nationality and race, and thereby withdraws from humanity the premise of its existence and its culture. As a foundation of the universe, this doctrine would bring about the end of any order intellectually conceivable to man. And as, in this greatest of all recognizable organisms, the result of an application of such a law could only be chaos, on earth it could only be destruction for the inhabitants of this planet. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/kampf.html

"It's a racket that is used to exploit primarily heterosexual, Christian, white males' birthright and steal from them what is their birthright and give it to people who didn't qualify for it."

Well, Savage, from what I have heard, you are only one out of three, so quit griping.  And what exactly is that birthright?

He said heterosexual, Christian, white males.

I'm pretty sure he's only one of four...at least that he could prove medically...

WTF is he compaining about? Did one of his affiliates drop him for a LIBERAL BLACK MAN?

Isn't Savage/Weiner a Jew?  If so, then he should know more than anybody how EASY it is to blame a whole group of people for a financial crisis; Jews have been blamed for almost everything for the last 5000 years.  I think "affirmative action" has become a code-word for blacks, Mexicans, Latino's and any other minority in the United States.

I'm so glad you said something about this. I was about to go on a rant about being a Southern, white, hetrosexual, male of Germanic descent w/ bonde hair and blue eyes and my birthright in comparison to Savage's. I think I could have turned people to Savage's aid. That would have been horrible. Thanks, Zam.

And this guy constantly accuses OTHERS of being Nazis and fascists. Man, he is a piece of work.

Haaaa ha ha hee heee! PhD in what again? Plants? Yeah, mr. "have you ever eaten a pine tree? many parts are edible" Savage is really the whitey man's tale of woe to witches, eh? He needs some "witch out"! Or Black Out! Sumpin like dat...

The point is that he was discriminated against.  Just because he was born white doesn't mean he had an easy road to success.  Rat tat tat...  poodle!

He thinks he was discriminated against. It was most likely that he had the same qualifications as another candidate and ended up losing out because he failed the interview. With his racist views it would be no surprise that happened.

Sorry, Thorn, but for all his sniveling about Affirmative Action, the Savage Weiner actually lost out in his bid for a professorship to another white male. The delusion that minorities and liberals had conspired to deny him his "birth right" was simply a far more comforting explanation for his failure than admitting that he simply couldn't cut it in academia. He'd rather rage incoherently against imagined enemies than face his own demons, and whatever "success" that he has since found has come in conning other weak, like-minded and delusional failures into embracing his paranoia.

By the way, hard work is hardly a virtue exclusive to "us whities", regardless of what they may tell you at your Bund meetings.

Do you have the  name of that other guy? Posting that would be sweet irony!

His name is Orville Schell.

Hee hee! Beat out by another white dude. Savage sounds more like that white
"christian" chick who told police a black man stole her car with her two kids in the back seat when they found the car submerged. What was her name again? Susan Smith? I still remember those tearful pleas to the cameras...

Orville Schell.

Ah... Serephim beat me to it I see.

Well done.

Still, it shows that the Savage Weiner is either clinically delusional or a bigger liar than even WE had imagined.

Either way, Thorn, you've been had by this vile, manipulative black shirt.

Since I'm not a Communist like you I wouldn't be hanging out at a Bund meeting. 

Ooooh... where to start.

Okay, here goes.

1) I'm not a Communist either. One difference between us is that I actually know what the word means, other than as a blind pejorative that ignorant wingnuts like to fling at those who disagree with them.

2) Bund meetings were not held by Communists. You're posting on a computer, so do yourself a favor and use it to look up the word. you're confusing the two far spectrums of politics.

Anyway, no comments on learning that the Savage Weiner was been intellectually swindling you all these years? No words of thanks for being delivered from his egregious lies? No embarrassed mea culpas for your part in unwittingly advancing his degenerate falsehoods?

I gotta' tell ya', its a thankless task setting some of these wingers straight.

Oh...you mean when the Savage Weiner tried to get the Dean's position for the Journalism department @ U/Cal-Berkeley and didn't get it because his PhD was not IN THAT FIELD and the minority who got the position just happened to HAVE a PhD in JOURNALISM?

That the "discrimination" the Savage Weiner is kvetching about?

BTW..I happen to be Jewish.

Good for you.  Go have some matzo ball soup.

Excellent reply, Thorn- most excellent!  As I am the president of on on-line university specializing in debate, I would like to offer you an oppotunity to be a student.  Please send $6000 to my associate who shall contact you shortly vis-a-vis electronic mail.  We welcome your brilliant mind!

That truck would look freaking sweet if if had "PSychologial NudITy" like, painted on the side in the ROCKSTAR energy drink font. Freaking sweet. Is that the truck Rick Robert's kid couldn't buy cause the illegals get SSI? Savage's rectum is bleeding all over his mic these days.

That is about as clear a racist statement as anyone is ever likely to hear on mass media.

If America has not come to realize that this is one of the faces of evil that drive what has become of the Republican Party. This is the kind of intellectual stupidity that created the corruption of mind and spirit that destroy great Democracies like Rome, and Greece. However Today's Republican Party looks more like the Theocratic Fascist Nazi Party of Germany, that will ulltimately destroy our country. If we are to retain our freedom this evil must be purged and another Constitutional minded Party formed.

This guy needs a hood and some sheets.

Savage, like Hannity, is a voice of the fringe wing of the Republican party that has held the American people hostage, for the last decade, to their cynical disdain of the Constitution and the values that America (despite their best efforts) still stands for.

Is not there a name for those whose main purpose in life is to hold liberty and freedom in contempt, to call for riots in the streets, to defile the Constitution with their malicious and criminal tendencies, to abandon their allegiance to their country... ? Oh. I guess his name is Michael Savage...

Birthright? Why doesn't Savage try reading the Bill of Rights and the Constitution before he speaks and _abuses_  his Constitutionally given Rights?

Unfortunately, M.M. has taken this quote out of context. Anything someone says that is taken out of context will sound to others like lunacy or hate...so wouldn't it be nice if M.M. would have the whole segment from Savage's rant to listen to or read...you all might have a different take on what he was saying....THAT IS COMMON SENSE. I listened to this live on the radio...and in CONTEXT he is talking about Affirmative action, how in today's society because A.A. is "sometimes" abused by people in power (note: I think all individuals are equal and should be given opportunities...and in this case 'Jobs' based on their skill level and competence...not color) to the point that a white person, simply by his color, would have no chance at an opportunity. Now, whether or not that is a birthright being stolen i don't know...but that sure isn't EQUAL playing ground either. Now...the beauty of this blog is that I could be black, hispanic, russian, chinese, or plain ole white....the truth is the truth.

So, you're arguing that its hard to be white in America... that caucasians are a put-upon, discriminated group in this nation of ours?

And you actually expect to be taken seriously?

Nice try...I never said anything like that.

what I said was that "SOME" in power "ABUSE" Affirmative Action....that is what I said.

And FYI to you...unless someone in America Is super priveledged or wealthy than America is hard for everyone....Everyone has to work hard and try their best to be successful...it doesn't fall in anyone's lap who is not Born Rich or Priveledged.

Now...some who are born extremely poor (whether black, white, hispanic, or whatever) will have a harder road to toil to become successful...but In America that can happen and does happen.

Back to Savage's point...he is saying that sometimes just because a person is white they get passed over because the position requires a minority to fulfill quotas...so the white person is passed over even though he/she might be qualified...now once again I am stating the "Abuse" of Affirmative Action is what Savage is railing against.

On another side note....how long can a person rely upon excuses? 

Let's go with the framework that you believe people of different races are equal.

Let's say that 50% of people are white, 50% various minorities.

Within each group you have a top half and bottom half of qualified candidates.

If you're within the bottom half of white candidates, you don't deserve a job.  This is because you would be pushing out someone who is in the top half of their particular group.  Under the principle that all races are equal, this is mathematically provable.

If you don't believe people of different races are equal, then it's much easier to complain about some great injustice to white people.  Racists love to do that.

"... sometimes just because a person is white they get passed over because the position requires a minority to fulfill quotas..." - CPA5

I'd like to see you cite a single case of this happening in the last quarter century, since the use of quotas was ruled illeagal by the Supreme Court sometime back in the 70's. This is just another right wing myth, created in order to con poor whites into believing that it is African Americans who are responsible for the failure of some whites to secure good jobs. It is a means of dividing working class people by setting them against each other. Just as the Savage Weiner has long lied to you about his losing his dream job because of Affirmative Action, so he also lied to you about just how Affirmative action actually works. He whines and he lies about how his "birthright" has been stolen from him, knowing that many whites will adopt this same lame excuse and vote Republican, even though this will be in direct conflict with their own economic and political interests.

Wake up, dude.

The Weiner is playing you like he was Yo Yo Ma and you were his cello.

You must not pay attention to how things really work.  You must believe all our politicians are honest.  You must believe that the rules are always followed.  You must believe that people are inherently good.  You must believe all those things to truely believe your above statement.

If I didn't state this above I should have...I don't believe everything savage says...so about this birthright issue I'm not in that camp....but i see where he is coming from.

And yes I believe that whoever is most qualified deserves a job...no matter what gender or what color that person is.  But these cases happen by people that ABUSE certain doctrines.....think of it like this...your best friend Reverend Wright is the Human Resources person of your favorite company who does all the hiring:)

"You must believe that the rules are always followed.  You must believe that people are inherently good."

You're making an argument for affirmative action.  To oppose it means that you must think that the system will fix itself, that people will correct institutional racism just because they should.  But people don't follow the rules, and aren't always inherently good.  So that is exactly why affirmative action exists.

I never said Affirmative Action was wrong...but don't be fooled....A.A. will never ever ever solve any issues of racism.  A.A. is like behavior modification....that never works...the only way to change people is to see people change their BELIEFS....a Belief is what changes someones ATTITUDE and someone's attitude will ultimately cause someone's BEHAVIOR and effect that persons CHARACTER.

Affirmative Action is man's attempt to solve Behavior....but it will never be able to change a belief.

But the more black people are brought into the middle and upper classes, the less hold the belief will have.  This is a fundamental of group dynamics.