...perceived sexism.

The media are in a quandry. Many in the media have already called out McCain for his lies and distortions, but to continue to push that notion further leaves them open to criticism from the right that it simply confirms they are in the tank for Obama. I would bet the editors at the NY Times agonized over what qualifying adjective to use before the word sexism.

That may have something to do with it.  I think it's mostly that the press loves the little squabbles and are bored by policy talk.  They'll do just about anything in a campaign to avoid talking about policy.  Any speech or debate that's actually about issues bores them.  Gore was derided as a policy wonk throughout the 2000 campaign.  Hillary was branded as wonkish during the primaries (although that was one of the kinder things the press had to say about her.)

So let me understand this.  One NYT reporter does no listen to, agree with, or cite what someone else at the NYT said.  BIG DEAL.  Who cares.  Either Obama has disrespected her, or he has not.  MMFA has lost its mind on this one.  It is an opinion, and a topic worthy of discussion. 

"It is an opinion, and a topic worthy of discussion." - PointOfView

If what you say is true, POV, what exactly is your beef?  I see a discussion going on.

Here, you seem tired and illogical (hardly a first) and probably need to rest a while.  This will aid your nappy.  http://homedecor.cafepress.com/item/cute-sarah-vice-president-throw-pillow/301937020

The beef here.....for those of you rode the short bus to school, is that MMFA seems to think that one story in the NYT is the gospel, and every story they write must follow that same tone.  There is nothing wrong with the article as stated, and the reporter here should not be muzzled by a previous NYT piece.  The libs dont want discussion, they want lock step acceptance of the party line. 

The libs dont want discussion, they want lock step acceptance of the party line.

What is the party line?

The beef here.....for those of you rode the short bus to school... 

Point of View, how dare you disrespect Mrs. Palin with such snide comments about the "short bus." I find that distasteful and offensive that you mock her intelligence. You should be ashamed, you sexist ...

Ok enough tomfoolery.  My point is that Media Matters has a duty to shoot down misinformation within an opinion. When people hide misinformation behind the veil of an "opinion piece," it is a danger to democracy and freethinking. I'm sure you did not appreciate the awful way I twisted your words. This is the same way I feel about the lipstick controversy.

The libs dont want discussion, they want lock step acceptance of the party line. 

The libs simply want a reality based discussion...something that is obviously impossible with Republicans.

You are a funnyman..By the way, I rode the short bus to school. But I'm fine now. Don't think that short bus is necessarily a funny line. But your ilk probably wants to eliminate that type of transportation. Those kids should pull up their boot straps and straighten up and quit FAKING IT.

POV is an anagram for ASS.

...for those of you rode the short bus to school...

POV was the guy in the back seat drooling on himself.

The reason Media Matters posted this was because it was conservative misninformation. It furthers the conservative agenda by making the conservative look better than he deserves to look. His ad was incredibly flawed and faulty. Allowing it to be presented and not challenging its authenticity and accuracy helps a conservative look better than he deserves to look.

An article is NOT an opinion piece.

This is a topic NOT worthy of discussion, which is why MMFA is highlighting here. It's the same argument as if I was saying the sky was blue, and you were saying the sky is yellow. We both have opinions about what color the sky is, but only one of our opinions is based on facts. Same for this article.

Well said, Mags.

http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200809150005?f=h_top

A media blog featuring news links and progressive media criticism from around the web, along with commentary from Eric Boehlert and Jamison Foser.

"First: it should never, ever be considered acceptable to quote a candidate or official making a false claim without noting its falsity.  Reporters do this all the time, justifying it by saying they're just presenting both sides, or that they aren't making the false claim, they're just reporting it, or saying they corrected three other false claims in the article.  That is not sufficient: if a journalist includes a false or misleading claim in their news report -- in any form -- without indicating that is false, they are actively helping to spread misinformation."

Repeat this until you have it memorized, Point of View, and Tommy, and anyone else who doesn't get this simple message. It's not rocket science.

How can you "disrespect" someone who is not respectable?

read this very carefully noting the statement " first contract '

 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94095363

speaking of disrespecting...this nation interred 4142 soldiers...for this ?????

Sorry, folks, I should have been more precise. I asked, "How can you "disrespect" someone who is not respectable?" I taught in a public high school for almost 30 years.

Some students DEMANDED "respect" just because they had a pulse. Their idea of respect meant that any behavior or attitude, no matter how puerile or offensive gave them access to "respect". Such students did not see the difference between DEMAND and COMMANDING respect. They demonstrated not one trait that commanded the so-called "respect" they demanded. Surly, sloppy, lazy, confrontational, rude, foul-mouthed, and bullying, they could not fathom the lack of "respect" denied them. When I see someone demanding respect I see an individual who is not worthy of respect. On the other hand, a person who, by their actions and attitude, commands respect, I gladly give it. Sarah Palin is a bully and I can't respect that.

Such students did not see the difference between DEMAND and COMMANDING respect.

The GOP ticket seems to have the same problem.

She is a bully. And now that she's been elevated to star status in the GOP, now that Dobson and Hagee and their ilk are gloating and eyeing up Ginsberg's Supreme Court seat, how does McCain put the genie back in the bottle if he wins?  What does he do with and her entourage? She's hugely ambitious, and I don't think she'll be satisfied with a Quayle-type vice presidency if she gets to succeed Cheney.

Doesn't all of it just smack of four more years of a sinister lieutenant operating on the dark side behind the facade of a frumpish, happily aloof leader?

I wonder if Palin will conciously try to beat Cheney's record for the number of visits to the CIA HQ by a vice president.

"Surly, sloppy, lazy, confrontational, rude, foul-mouthed, and bullying, they could not fathom the lack of 'respect' denied them." - DonaldMadDog5642

Donald, though I have no disagreements with your illumination of those who demand respect, nor with your correct perception of Sarah Palin, permit me one small quibble.  You may not have meant that they were *denied* a lack of respect.  :^)

Among the notable historical precedents we've seen in this election, one of the most intriguing is the right-wing's discovery of sexism.

So we are now into rating campaign ads, as opposed to analysing issues and determining what is better for this country's governance ? Bush put us in a state of eternal war that Mccain wants to preserve.

My local metro paper does that - it's actually a quite good analysis of how truthful the ads are.

Obamas are generally in the 6-9 range.  Gramps in the 0-4 range.  That's right.  One of Mr. POW's ads, on a scale based on truth, rated a ZERO. 

A couple of Fun Facts from my lunchtime El Rushbo tune-in;

1. John McCain isn't a techno-illiterate, he simply can't send emails due to his war injuries (I'm not making this up, Rush said it)

2. Al Capone was a community organizer. This was stated by a caller, whom Rush accused of stealing his material claiming that he had said it yesterday. The caller insisted that he thought it up himself. Rush backed down, noting that his audience is made up of independent thinkers. The kind of independent thinkers who come up with the exact same analogies that have no basis in reality that Rush uses, immediately after Rush uses them.

I like it Col.  Capone was in fact a community organizer. 

And you are in fact a village idiot.

Yeah, I've seen that same rightie talking point - Jonah Goldberg might have begun it.

Somehow McCain can use a Blackberry but can't use a regular-sized keyboard because of his POW injuries. I call bull on that. His inability to raise his arms above his shoulders don't stop him from using a keyboard. The injuries to his fingers don't stop him from using a pen or driving. If he can do those two things, he can use a keyboard.

I think there are a few posters here who are disable. I'm not sure of the nature of their disabilities, but I don't know anybody who can't send an email for physical reasons.

I just , out of curiosity, Googled "Al Capone community organizer" to see if this was a new top 10 hit for the wingnuts, and the first site that came up was Freerepublic. In the comments, one Freeper pasted the Wikipedia listing for "community organizer", which included a list of notable community organizers, and Al Capone was on the list.

I know those Freepers well enough that I decided to go to Wiki myself. Al Capone was not on the list. Lying is like breathing to the wingnuts.

ps- Pointyview- my purpose in mentioning the Capone thing was to ridicule anybody clueless enough to swallow it. Thanks for volunteering.

Good point Col ;-)

PointOfView would be better served with a handle like "Linda_Lovelace_87654321"...

Why is it you guys are not questioning the very premise on which MMFA presents this falsehood?

In a September 14 article, New York Times reporter Kate Zernike cited an ad put out by Sen. John McCain's campaign as evidence that "[t]he McCain campaign is also on the offensive…

You guys understand that Kate Zernike does not need to prove or disprove the contents of the McCain ad if her purpose is to show “[t]he McCain campaign is also on the offensive”.

You guys all get that right?

MMFA uses a false premise to create an opening to further its liberal agenda and all you goldfish swim in without ever stopping to realize you were duped.

MMFA does this a lot btw. They find something that they want all you goldfish to get fired up about and debate, then concoct a premise on which to justify its posting on MMFA, and BINGO .. instant propaganda.

This article was not misinformation put out by the republicans but was instead a premise concocted by MMFA designed to steer all you goldfish into the shallow waters MMFA want you to swim in.