Does Hannity realize that there are these things called video recorders. When he, or someone on his station says things like this, they are recorded, and can be reviewed, you know, later, to prove him a fool once more. Jeesh... This is another Hannity challenge, like he seems to do every week, saying, "So and so said that I called him anti American because he's not with the President. I never said that, and can't remember any republican calling someone terrorist sympathizers and anti american just because they didn't agree with the president..." and of the of course, roll about 10 pages of quotes from republicans saying exactly that.

Hannity, out to lunch, permanently. Is it possible for one man to be so stupid?

Amazingly, it doesn't matter that recordings exist because Hannity and FOX simply pretend they don't exist. Try to argue with a FOX viewer about a matter of historical record sometime...

True statement. I am constantly amazed, on a daily basis, by the things that they either get completely wrong, or just misinform the public on. Good thing that everyone in the Bush administration ONLY watches FoxNews, instead of, you know, watching the real news out there. No wonder they all think that they're doing a great job, and that Bush will be vindicated by "history". That is, as long as nobody actually looks back to see what really happened when he lead us down the path to ruin.

Just the routine stuff FOX gets wrong amazes me...and they never go back and correct themselves. My brother still insists that China is drilling for oil off the coast of Florida...

Is it possible for 50 million people to be so stupid? Apparently..... yes.

Is it possible for 50 million people to be so stupid? Apparently..... yes.

That's why Adam Sandler movies are so popular......

That's why there are instructions on shampoo bottles.

I have new windows and they actually come with a sticker that warns about the dangers of falling from open windows.

I figure if you're old enough to read the warning, you're already aware of the danger.

And if your old enough to read and you still don't know how dangerous falling from an open window is, maybe the gene pool would be better off without you.

WZ or WK it's the same as on elevators there is a little sign that says "exit after doors open". Well duh like I'm going to try to walk off the elevator when the doors are closed. Trust me there are some really rock stupid people out there. Why else would we have been stuck with Bush for 8 years?

Hannity's not stupid, he knows most of America will never see MMFA's debunking of him. In his mind, the fact that Fox News anchors never said "Barack Obama is a Muslim" is likely justification enough for what he said. Although it's obvious that Fox News has lead the way in making that insinuation, it hardly matters to Hannity (or, I'd wager, 99% of his audience).

That's the point... How would a FOX viewer know he's being lied to if his sole source of information is FOX? Good luck trying to explain that simple concept to a FOX viewer. At the risk of hyperbole I can think of no better word than brainwashing to describe it.

Your basic premise is flawed, however.  You assume that an average FOX News viewer wants to know that they are being lied to.

You are correct. FOX viewers are comfortably secure that all their beliefs fit into one neat package and are constantly reinforced by FOX every day. Ignorance is bliss...

"their beliefs" hmmm, I would posit that even what beliefs to have is being spoon fed to them. Why are issues like gay rights and abortion so huge and divisive, when the numbers are so small and pale in comparison to issues like oh say, the US taxpayer taking on an ADDITIONAL $6 trillion in debt?

No hyperbole at all.  It's brainwashing.  It becomes a religion to these fools.  It's ABSOLUTLEY brianwashing.  Orwell & Big Brother would be proud.

It's time for everyone to go through their video recordings, and put the stuff that shows Hannity for the liar he is out on YouTube.

Hannity is a joke.

People talk about Obama's "Muslim faith", especially once they make the assertion that Obama is a Muslim. And even if were, WTH is wrong with THAT? There is a difference between being a Muslim and being a Muslim Terrorist.

 

Of course, that line gets blurred or distinguished when it benefits either side.

So easily confused because Obama neglected to add air quotes when he said "my Muslim faith"...

Is there already an adjective "hannity"?  Because there apparently is a need for a word that "dumb" just can't fill.

"My dog is so hannity that he chases parked cars."

"I'm sorry, but there's nothing we can do.  Your son is just hannity."

I had some others, but they all sounded kind of hannity...

A better example would be "No dog is that Hannity".

True.  I was only trying to insult my dog, not be cruel to him.

Unfortunately, that was a really hannity statement, and I apologize.

Better yet...  "Don't step in that dog hannity."  ;>)

The word "hannity" is an adjective, and should be used thusly:

"The truthiness of Dick Morris is so hannity that it mootifies Fox News as a credible source."

The word "hannity" is an adjective, and should be used thusly:

"The truthiness of Dick Morris is so hannity that it mootifies Fox News as a credible source."

Sean Insanity has been trying to use his name as a verb.  I think the verb form should be used as follows:

"Once the brain scan showed the patient had no brain activity, the doctor said that the patient had been hannitized.

They took him off life support because his brain had hannitized.

Better yet...  "Don't step in that dog hannity."  ;>)

I'll be right back - I have to go to the bathroom and take a hannity.

I hope you mean that you plan to "leave" a hannity....

Colmes is such an ass kisser.

He doesn't remember Steve "This. is. HUGE!" Doocy?

They probably think their correct in saying no one at fox ever said he was muslim. after all, fox never say anything it's either "some people say" or souces say" or my favorite, the cavuto "is barak HUSSIEN obama a muslim?"  fox motto: plausable deniability.

This is how the right works.  It's likely that you won't find a FOX News reporter or a prominent Republican saying this exact sentence: "Barack Obama is a Muslim." The "terrorist fist jab", "he was educated in a madrassa(?)", etc. won't be enough for them.  They will continue to say "No one ever said Barack Obama is a Muslim."

OT, but gee, McCain's daughter Meg, the daughter of the famous P.O.W. John "P.O.W." McCain, says only her family can understand what war is about. Period! (from thinkprogress if the link isn't working)

Meghan McCain: ‘No one knows what war is like other than my family. Period.’»

In an interview on the Today Show this morning, host Meredith Vieira asked Meghan McCain about Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-IL) comments that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) “doesn’t get it.” Meghan responded by pointing to her dad’s service in Vietnam and her two brothers who are currently enlisted. She then went a step further, however, saying that her family is the only family that understands war:

And on top of that you have Caribou Barbie saying that Bush's Iraq war is God's plan. Looks like the Republicans have the whole war thing covered... I wonder what they would do if we weren't at war...would create kind of a vacuum, don't you think?

What would Johnnie Mac do if his two sons were captured by OPFOR and they became POWs? Would he demand their immediate release or would he have them sit out the duration?

McCain would start planning to run the kid for public office...

How. Elitist of her to say something like that. The people who serve in our military and have seen combat know all about war. Pain. And suffering. Seriously. She thinks that they're the only ones affected by this? I would bet a lot of money that McCain's sons serve in cushy positions. Mostly due to who their Dad is, and what he's running for now. Talk about a terrorist propaganda bonanza if one of them, or both of them were killed in a combat zone.

"Talk about a terrorist propaganda bonanza if one of them, or both of them were killed in a combat zone." - Magnolialover

Unfortunately, that's kind of a naive perspective.  What it would really do (terrorist propaganda point or not) is freakin guarantee a McCain/Palin win.  You have to keep in mind how the mind of the general public operates.

Oh and by the way, my money's on al-Quada flat praying for a McCain presidency.

I'm sure Ayman al Zawahiri has already written the script and shot the video for October release. Have you notice the quality of al Qaeda videos are better these days?  I'm certain they aren't living in caves, but have a nice compound with electricity, sat TV reception, good water, nice food, and apparently Arabian horses according to Dexter Filkins.

Has it been verified that "Afghanistan" was never uttered from the podium at the RNC in St. Paul?  I literally can't fathom the insanity...or the hannity of it all.

I would like to propose a really stupid, just beyond absurd statement, should be a "hannity."   As in, "I can't fathom the hannity of it."

Snoop,

I watched that interview this morning and came away with the young McCain saying that nobody knows more about war than her family in the same vein that nobody knows more about being an African American than an African American. She even said she was biased (about her family and father) so it was not meant to be elitist or derogatory as you seem to imply.

That is probably what she wanted to say, but what she ACTUALLY said was,

"No one knows what war is like other than my family. Period."

 

Read or watch the whole interview. You'll see that your cropped quote is misleading as to her intent.

Her answer didn't fit the question and she made an ass out of herself with that comment.

Islam runs in Obama's dad's family and anyone paying attention knows it just as they knows Obama is a Christian and his former pastor is Reverend Wright. Some bomb throwers on the right like to taunt those on the left by using Obama's middle name. (It works every time.)

If McCain's middle name were Adolph, you can bet the left would be all over it. 

This is one of those mindless off-topic subjects that take up time and space in the media and give people something to argue about. 

If McCain's middle name were Adolph, you can bet the left would be all over it. 

It's enough for many of is on the left to know that George W. Bush's grandfather helped bankroll the Third Reich.

And Joseph Kennedy was a Nazi appeaser. What is your point ?

There's a difference between appeasing and bankrolling.  As far as I'm concerned, Bush's grandfather was a traitor.

That may be the case but most people could care less, it was 60 plus years ago and Bushs father was a war hero who was shot down in the pacific, just like Kennedys son was a war hero . Obviously you are trying to stir the partisan pot. Grow up and move on.

So, I guess then that you don't care that William Ayers did some things about 40 years ago right? Because, that's the brush that righties are always trying to paint Obama with.

Pwned!!!111!

I absoultely could care less about William Ayers or what he did, he is not running for President, Senator Obama is. For that matter I dont care about the Rev Wright either. And I believe most Americans feel the same, which is why this good man won his partys nomination.

Glad to hear you say that. Because everyone else on the right has made a big deal about Wright, Ayers, and other people loosely associated with Obama. One of our very own, AnotherAmerican, likes to tell folks on here how tight Obama and Ayers are, which is super incorrect.

Well i am not on the right. I am independent and think for myself.

Mags,

I simply point out the facts. If McCain had started his political career in David Duke's house, you'd be a little suspicious about him too.

Or, since Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist bomber and so is bin Laden, lets say Obama started out his career in bin Laden's cave 12 years ago?  What would you think then? Both Ayers and bin Laden are terrorist bombers are they not? Both are unrepentant are they not? Both wish they could have done more, do they not? 

Go ahead and keep bringing it up. This association should have disqualified Obama from serious consideration for the Office of the Presidency a long time ago. Obama is the one who willingly associated with an unrepentant Anti-American terrorist bomber and saw nothing wrong with it. I question Obama's world view and have serious reservations about how he would handle the leaders in Iran, North Korea, and Russia. His talk simply does not match his walk.

Both Ayers and bin Laden are terrorist bombers are they not?

I keep on asking you this and you won't reply:  What did Ayers bomb?

Loonz,

I didn't know you asked that. Do you not keep up? He and his Weathermen Underground exploded terrorist bombs at the United States Capital building, The NYC Police Headquarters and other places.

Take a look at this excerpt from Wikopedia:

In a bombing that took place on February 16, 1970, and that was credited to the Weathermen at the time,[26][27] a pipe bomb filled with heavy metal staples and lead bullet projectiles was set off on the ledge of a window at the Park Station of the San Francisco Police Department. In the blast, Brian V. McDonnell, a police sergeant, was fatally wounded while Robert Fogarty, another police officer, received severe wounds to his face and legs and was partially blinded.[28]

Weatherman leader Bernardine Dohrn has been suspected of involvement in the February 16, 1970, bombing of the Park Police Station in San Francisco. At the time, Dohrn was said to be living with a Weatherman cell in a houseboat in Sausalito, California, unnamed law enforcement sources later told KRON-TV.[29] An investigation into the case was reopened in 1999,[30] and a San Francisco grand jury looked into the incident, but no indictments followed,[29] and no one was ever arrested for the bombing.[30] An FBI informant, Larry Grathwohl, who successfully penetrated the organization from the late summer of 1969 until April 1970, later testified to a U.S. Senate subcommittee that Bill Ayers, then a high-ranking member of the organization and a member of its Central Committee (but not then Dohrn's husband), had said Dohrn constructed and planted the bomb. Grathwohl testified that Ayers had told him specifically where the bomb was placed (on a window ledge) and what kind of shrapnel was put in it. Grathwohl said Ayers was emphatic, leading Grathwohl to believe Ayers either was present at some point during the operation or had heard about it from someone who was there.[31] In a book about his experiences published in 1976, Grathwohl wrote that Ayers, who had recently attended a meeting of the group's Central Committee, said Dohrn had planned the operation, made the bomb and placed it herself.[32] In 2008, author David Freddoso commented that "Ayers and Dohrn escaped prosecution only because of government misconduct in collecting evidence against them".[31][33]

[edit] Initial New York City Bombings

Early on the morning of February 21, 1970 as his family slept, three gasoline-filled firebombs exploded at at home of New York State Supreme Court Justice Murtagh at the northern tip of Manhattan. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn.

Judge Murtagh was presiding over the trial of the so-called “Panther 21,” members of the Black Panther Party indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. The side-walk in front of his home had three sentences of blood-red graffiti: "FREE THE PANTHER 21; THE VIET CONG HAVE WON; KILL THE PIGS."

Only a few weeks after the attack, the New York contingent of the Weathermen blew themselves up making more bombs in a Greenwich Village townhouse (see below). The same cell had bombed Judge Murtagh's house, according to Ron Jacobs in The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground. In late November of 1970, a letter to the Associated Press signed by Bernardine Dohrn, now Bill Ayers's wife, promised more bombings.[34]

Sorry for the small print.

Take a look at Wikopedia - Search for Anti Personel bomb set on window ledge in San Francisco where a policeman was killed and another seriously injured.

Informants link that to Dorhn and Ayers. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization)#Anti-personnel_bomb_set_on_window-ledge_in_San_Francisco

Again my apologies. I am cutting and pasting these links into notepad before pasting them into MMFA but for some reason they are shrinking in font.

You'll have to go look it up yourself if you want to see more.

Oh yeah?  Well check this out:

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Shoot.  The font pasted much smaller than it appeared when I copied it.

Oh well, it basically proved that Bill Ayers dove into the frigid waters of the Colorado river in January to save a tightly tied burlap bag stuffed with puppies which McCain had stolen from some disabled orphans in Tuscon and tried to dispose of.

You'll have to look it up and research it yourself...

stuffed with puppies

I thought the bag was filled with embryos.

You're just being ridiculous.

What would disabled orphans in Tuscon be doing with a bag of embryos?  Sheesh...

You keep on calling him a terrorist bomber and he didn't plant or detonate any bombs or commit any terrorist acts.  If he was a terrorist bomber, he would have gone to prison.

Ayers turned himself in and all charges were dropped.  The only people that were hurt were fellow Weathermen.  He must have been somewhat repentant if he turned himself in.   He went to work with a prestigious conservative organization at Chicago Circle Campus, home of Milton Friedman and the Manhattan project.  

"If he was a terrorist bomber, he would have gone to prison."

In the cell right next to Bin Laden's??

 

Oh, MissDeeranged, what is it about you and failure?

Are you implying that the Bush administration is just too incompetent to apprehend Ayers? He lives right in the area with a full time job and a permanent address. No wonder they failed to get Bin Laden.

LOL!  ;0)  LOL  ;0)

I've been looking over different articles and it appears that even though Ayers' participation in the bombings is unknowable (the informant's info could be true or false; Ayers can't tell the difference between fact and fiction; and I'm still looking for information to back up Freddoso claim), he certainly wasn't against bombing vacant buildings.

What is the extent of the relationship between Obama and Ayers AA? For you to continue to make this ridiculous contraposition about this relationship you must show it to be extensive. You can't do that and you know it. So stop being disingenious about this and admit you are trying to create something out of nothing. Only God can do that, right?

Arch,

It is not me who is making something out of nothing. It is a fact that Obama has more than a passing relationship with an anti-American terrorist. 

I for one, do not want to gamble the office of the Presidency on someone who has such ties. I question Obama's judgment and world view by consciously associating with this ultra radical, anti-American, terrorist bomber and wife who both declared war on the United States and should both be in jail.

Ayers and Dohrn are the antithesis of what democracy is all about. They are the same in spirit and deed as bin Laden.

Exactly my point. Ayers once contributed $200 to OBama's first campaign. He served on the same board as Ayers. And that's it. They're not friends. Ayers did not have a campaign event at his house for Obama.

"Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles."

From: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html

You keep repeating these things AA, as if they were truth, they are not. Your analogy of Ayers, Duke, Bin Laden, and Obama are weak at best. George W. Bush is good friends with the royal family of Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabian citizens provide the bulk of funding for terrorist activities around the world, so that must mean that Bush is a terrorist? See how that works? It doesn't. Which is the same for Obama's ties to Ayers. Given that, when Ayers and his group were active, Obama was 8 years old as well, and didn't help out with those activities.

NO HE DOESN'T.

Ayers, contributed $200 to Obama's early campaign. That's it. They were the members of the same board. They are not friends. They never hung around with each, and weren't close. They lived in the same neighborhood. That's it. He only had brief contact with Ayers, and probably couldn't pick him out of a police line up if asked.

Stop making things up.

Mags,

I did not say Obama bombed anyone. I question his judgment and world view for associating with a radical leftist terrorist bomber even 25 years after the fact.

I only took a quick perusal of your note so maybe I missed it. Correct me if I am wrong, but I didn't see any reference to Obama starting his political career in Ayers and Dorhn's living room. 

I'll go look again.

“I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers’ house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress,” said Dr. Quentin Young, a prominent Chicago physician and advocate for single-payer health care, of the informal gathering at the home of Ayers and his wife, Dohrn. “[Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor.”

Obama and Palmer “were both there,” he said.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html

That's because he DIDN'T start his political career in his living room.

rats..

The link is http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html

Both there, but you are claiming this is where Obama launched his political career. Not true. He had already "launched" it before going to Ayers' house to talk to some potential supporters.

hahahaha... Gotta love your spirit!

Exactly.  Obama was introduced to some of the politcally active people in the neighborhood by the state senator he was going to replace.  In AA's world that is an endorsement of domestic terrorism. 

The politico article even mentions (towards the end I believe) that there is no indication that Obama and Ayers weren't just existing in overlapping circles of Chicago politics at the time.  AA is apparently delusional and has less than nothing here as has been shown repeatedly.

George W. Bush is good friends with the royal family of Saudi Arabia

Exactly.  And Bush was in business with BIN LADEN'S BROTHER!

A little too cozy, if you ask me.  But to AA, that's unimportant.  What's really important is a $200 campaign contribution, not the deaths of 3,000 people and our president's connection (albeit loose) to it.  Coincidence?

 

What about the head of the secessionist group that Palin spoke in front of last year? I heard some quotes from him on the radio yesterday that were straight up anti American, as in, "I hate the US, and everything that it stands for.." Seems fairly anti American to me.

Ayers was NOT anti American either. He was anti Vietnam war. Do I condone the methods he and his buddies used? Absolutely not. Is he anti American? Absolutely not.

Mags,

Got any links? I am waiting to see if it is true. 

AIP:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks4-2008sep04,0,5675222.column

Here is a video clip of her addressing the AIP:

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-to-alaskan-secessionists.html

It is a fact that Obama has more than a passing relationship with an anti-American terrorist

You keep saying that like you believe if you say it so many times it will become the truth. Again, what is the extent of their relationship? Are they buddies? Do they talk often? Is there any evidence which indicates Obama is in agreement with the political philosphy or actions of Ayers? All you got is a one time visit to Ayers home to attend a fundraiser years ago and that the two served ona board with 28 other people together. Is that your proof that "Obama has more than a passing relationship with an anti-american terrorist?" Is that really all you got? If so you should be ashamed of yourself. Ashamed.

"They are the same in spirit and deed as bin Laden."--AA

Hahaha! That has got to be the hyperbole of the day.  Ayers destroyed empty rest rooms.  Rush Limbaugh has done more damage after eating a burrito than Ayers ever did.  I doubt you would say the same about him.

It is a fact that Obama has more than a passing relationship with an anti-American terrorist

You keep saying that like you believe if you say it so many times it will become the truth. Again, what is the extent of their relationship? Are they buddies? Do they talk often? Is there any evidence which indicates Obama is in agreement with the political philosphy or actions of Ayers? All you got is a one time visit to Ayers home to attend a fundraiser years ago and that the two served ona board with 28 other people together. Is that your proof that "Obama has more than a passing relationship with an anti-american terrorist?" Is that really all you got? If so you should be ashamed of yourself. Ashamed.

And McCain calls G. Gordon Liddy a friend.  Remember when Liddy urged the Branch Davidians to shoot the ATF in the head?

Why is McCain friends with someone who advocates the murder of federal agents, AA?

Open,

There is credible evidence that Ayers and Dohrn killed a policeman in San Francisco.  There are other bombings too.  

Ayers fiance at the time blew herself up making a bomb to be set off at an Army dance.

I am amazed that those on the left here will defend a terrorist bomber and make light of his anti-American, criminal, and terrorist behavior. 

Kool aid anyone?

It is a fact that Obama has more than a passing relationship with an anti-American terrorist

You keep saying that like you believe if you say it so many times it will become the truth. Again, what is the extent of their relationship? Are they buddies? Do they talk often? Is there any evidence which indicates Obama is in agreement with the political philosphy or actions of Ayers? All you got is a one time visit to Ayers home to attend a fundraiser years ago and that the two served ona board with 28 other people together. Is that your proof that "Obama has more than a passing relationship with an anti-american terrorist?" Is that really all you got? If so you should be ashamed of yourself. Ashamed.

Not after you got your mouth all over the glass.

Achris,

It is Ayers who should be ashamed but is not. 

It is Obama who's judgment is so lacking that he associated with a known terrorist that may not be shameful but it sure is questionable. 

I know it is inconvenient to be reminded of these facts. After all, who wants to have it known their candidate associated freely with anti-American terrorist bombers? 

Obviously there are a lot of you. :-) 

This is what makes me have pretty negative view of partisans.  Thanks for reminding me why I am not one.

It is Obama who's judgment is so lacking that he associated with a known terrorist that may not be shameful but it sure is questionable. 

Again AA, what is the esxtent of this "association" you continue to preach about? Does it go beyond a one time attendance at Ayers house and serving on a board with 28 other people? Are you really using those two examples to make the assertion that Obama "associates" with known terrorist?

I know it is inconvenient to be reminded of these facts. After all, who wants to have it known their candidate associated freely with anti-American terrorist bombers? 

Throughout this thread I have asked you what are these "facts" you keep referring to which prove this relationship is anything more than what I and the others here are pointing out? Just answer the damned question! 

Obviously there are a lot of you. :-)

That smiley face means nothing to me. How dare you even insinuate that I would be happy with a candidate who has some kind of secretive approving relationship with a terrorist. Aren't you the one who gave some kind of simpleton excuse on why you didn't serve your country? You sir, have essentially questioned my patriotism, patriotism of which I have more in my little finger than you do in your entire cowardly body.

"There is credible evidence that Ayers and Dohrn killed a policeman in San Francisco.  There are other bombings too."--AA

Good.  Where is/are the indictment(s) then?  BTW, you need to wipe off your grape mustache.

Open,

The absence of an indictment does not mean there is no reason for suspicion. Were it not for the FBI messing up, both Ayers and Dohrn would most likelybe in jail or at least have served. You forget that Ayers and Dohrn were fugitives for years. Other members of their group went off and did kill others. Ayers fiance at the time was killed making a bomb to blow up at a dance.  

It may be that Obama's repeated connections to Ayers and Dohrn are innocent. But it doesn't resolve the fact that Obama and Ayers hung out in the same groups and shared the same political and social views. 

If you think all that is oaky, it is fine with me. However there are enough connections to Ayers, Dohrn, Wright, and Pflager, plus his community organizer days using following the teachings of Alinsky, (who by the way, dedicated one of his books to the devil,)  to tell me Obama is a radical leftist. Like a leapord cannot change it's spots, Obama cannot change his past.  I personally do not want someone who associated with such a group of anti-American's like this as our President.  

ps. Off subject, I hear Wright has now been named in wrongful termination lawsuit as having an affair with a plaintiff in Texas. *sigh* 

Barney, if there was a point, or anything of substance in that post, it was completely smothered by your hysterical repetition, unsupported smears and trivia.

You may have just finally figured out that you're too far gone to ever have any credibility here, and have decided to throw as much BS against the wall as you can. That's fine, you've got nothing to lose, but I'm wondering why you continue to post here when you've obviously given up.

 I hope you don't think you're going to persuade those who are more rational and well-informed than you. If you're just venting for therapeutic reasons, why don't you do it at FreeReepublc or another wingnut site? You'll get positive reinforcement instead of the ridicule you get here, and you won't be taking up thread space and wasting the time of those who are really interested in the topics.

No charge for the advice, and I don't expect a response.

Col.: He's not trying to convince you or us of anything. He's trying to convince himself. It's a self-hypnotic mantra. Mr. Retype Someone Else's Talking Points so wants to believe.

AA,

There is no substance to those "connections" at all.  Your claim that Obama and Ayers "hung out in the same groups and shared the same political and social views." is meaningless without specifics.  Are you claiming they were buddies?  No.  Are you claiming that Obama agrees with bombing the government? No. Is it your position that Ayers cannot have any legitimate views on politics and social views that might be shared by regular people?  I notice you don't mention those shared views for what I believe is a lack of ability on your part and others to even back them up legitimately. 

I think you have been reading too many things uncritically to have any real credibility here.  I write that with all due respect.

I need something substantial to hang my hat on.  What you have written does not even come close to meeting that threshold.

will defend a terrorist bomber...

No, we dismiss it as irrelevant.  Was he prosecuted?  Imprisoned?  Exiled out of the U.S.? 

You, however, have drank the kool-aid and continue to cling to exagerrations about Ayers as "proof" of Obama's lack of judgement.

Again, why not read about the Bush family's connections with the Bin Ladens and then you might gain a little perspective and leave Ayers to the dustpile of history.

Were the siblings of bin Laden bombers?  If my critique of Obama were  connections to a sister or brother of Ayers, you might have a point. 

I find it interesting how quickly you become obtuse with regards to the concept of guilt by association.  I think it is an act - or at least I hope it is.

You keep repeating yourself as if THAT will make it the truth.

 'there is evidence' isn't proof. 

There is evidence that you have no functional mind of your own, spouting GOP talking points, and pushing your points even after they have been thoroughly discredited here.

Now, if I copy & paste the above sentence - what is the magical number of times? - will you in fact have no functioning mind?

 

 

Albert,

 Nice strawman.  I never said it was.

There is credible evidence that Ayers and Dohrn killed a policeman in San Francisco.  There are other bombings too.  

Jesus Christ AA!

Buy a clue!

If there was CREDIBLE evidence THEY WOULD BE IN JAIL!!!!!!

To be fair, Pearlene, by credible he means he heard it from Rush.

Pearlene,

Your argument falls apart with two letters:  O.J.

 

But your evidence doesn't even reach the level of OJ.  OJ had a trial because an evidentury threshold had been crossed.

A grand jury chose not to indict Ayers in 2002 - a decade after Ayers previous charges were dropped due to prosecutorial misconduct in a different matter.  The grand jury did not think there was enough credible evidence to indict - which was not the case with OJ.

I have to love your attempt at logic here though.  One presumably guilty man goes free - therefore anyone merely accused of a crime, but not found guilty is likely guilty.  Great logic.

Grow up and move on.

I'm 55 years old, Bob - I grew up years ago.  And I won't "move on" as long as there are stupid people in the world like you.

The only stupid person is you, but whatever. 55 ? Sure and i am 108.

Bob,

It does no good to insult people and only diminishes the good points you have made.

Of course people here will disagree with you, especially if you are not a liberal/progressive.

It is the discussion that is fun. The insults are unnecessary. I've been down that road and found it to be a waste of time and energy.

ps. However a good zinger now and then is fun.  :-)

It is the discussion that is fun

Yeah, it's all fun and games to you - lies, smears, all in the name of a little innocent "fun".  People are dying due to these same sorts of lies and you say that it is fun.

Grow up.

Fog,

I hope you are enjoying your ride on that high horse. :-)  

"Of course people here will disagree with you, especially if you are not a liberal/progressive."--AA

Project much?  I don't disagree with bob because he is "not a liberal/progressive" I disagree with him because I think he is wrong.  I have no problem agreeing with non liberal/progressives and never have had a problem with it. 

It is enlightening that you think people here are like that though.  Perhaps it says more about the way you think.

You prove my point.

I am sure somewhere in your mind your post made sense.

The only stupid person is you, but whatever. 55 ? Sure and i am 108.

I was born in 1952, and my birthday is in two months.  You do the math, if you can.

AA sad: Islam runs in Obama's dad's family

Runs in the family? Is that like blond hair or cute dimples? Also you are missing the point that they are not trying to link him to Muslims, but to the muslims we are fighting around the world. That is the subtle association they are trying to make.

I disagree. The pundits I have seen/heard using Obama's middle name sound to me like they are simply tweaking those on the left.

Those who would not vote for Obama because of his name or father's family religious heritage would not have voted for him anyway.

Obama met his Father once, for a month long visit. His Father's religion had nothing to do with Obama's life. The right IS trying to link him to Muslim extremists. If they weren't, why bring it up repeatedly? Ms. Palin has more of a link to the Alaskian Independence Party, if you're trying to find radical connections.

Exactly.

This is the point. He met his dad, once, for about a month, in Hawaii, and was uncomfortable the entire time. And, add to that, that his father converted to Christianity later on in life, and bam, they have, well, nothing at all.

Peebs,

I agree that Obama's link to his father and his father's religious tradition has nothing to do with Obama who is a Christian.

I am simply saying that some on the right only use Obama's middle name so as to drive those on the left over the edge.  

No they use it to try to create the appearance of a valid comparison between Obama and radical terrorists like Saddam HUSSEIN. It's simple really AA when you hear the word HUSSEIN what is the first thing you think about? Come on!

Except, Hussein wasn't a terrorist. He was a dictator. There is a difference.

Achris,

When I hear Hussein, I think of Obama. 

When I hear Muhhamad, I think of Ali. 

When I hear Saddam, I think of... Saddam. :-)

So you admit when you hear "Saddam Hussein", you think of "Saddam" and then "Obama"?  I think you just proved Chris' point for him.

???? 

Hahaha. Why am I not surprised you don't get it.

Fine, then I want you to try a little experiment. Pick ten people at random and ask them to tell you what visual comes to their mind when they hear the word Hussein. If the first thing that comes to your mind is Obama then you sir, are nothing but brainwashed and give credence to my point.

Islam runs in Obama's dad's family and anyone paying attention knows it - anotheramerican  

I agree that Obama's link to his father and his father's religious tradition has nothing to do with Obama who is a Christian.- anotheramerican

We already know you don't pay much attention to what other people write, but do you even pay attention to yourself? 

Occasionally although I am too modest to admit it. :-)

"The pundits I have seen/heard using Obama's middle name sound to me like they are simply tweaking those on the left."

No, that's called ginning up the right.  

In Pinhead Hannity's world, anyone who agrees with him is a "Great American".  Anyone who DOESN'T agree with him is a communist, a socialist, a terrorist, a jihadist, etc, etc, etc......

Obama is no muslim. Just look at his all american family and how they conduct themselves in this society. the fist-jab this was covered ad-infinitum here at MMFA. It uisn't news and for Hannity to portray it as such does real news service a disservice. I'd rather hear how exactly Mccain is going to "reform" things here in the US. Put lipstick on a pig ? he already put lipstick on a pit bull.

Let me give you an example of how Hannity operates. I just read the article, below, in which Joe Biden says that electing Sarah Palin would be a "backward step for women."

http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/09/09/biden-palin-would-be-backward-step-for-women/

Hannity would take a statement such as that and assert that Biden says that electing a woman Vice President would be a "backward step."

That wo