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Mark Belling called Gloria Steinem a "grizzled old bag," "old witch"

Summary: Radio host Mark Belling called Gloria Steinem a "grizzled old bag," "old witch," and "embittered old has-been" and also stated that the "previous generation" of feminists "were so ugly you couldn't stand to look at them."
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Posted by ultrasanktpauli

Wow. Random, name calling hate. This guy is over flowing in grace and style.

Posted by JLyons in reply to ultrasanktpauli

Good thing I never heard of this idiot.

Posted by carlileb5935 in reply to JLyons

"...sitting out in Los Angeles."

That's my favorite part. 

Posted by Semiauto in reply to JLyons

I work in Milwaukee and he is on during my ride home. I listen to talk radio to get the ole blood pumping. I think he has filled in for Rush a few times. He is somewhat of a legend around here for racist and hate speech.

Posted by my4cents1172 in reply to Semiauto

Never heard of the guy but we have someone very similar here in Boston.

 Jay Severin.

If all these greater than middle aged to old white guys are not making their living out of affirmative action for radio waves, I do not know how.  

Posted by my4cents1172 in reply to my4cents1172

If you do not sympathize with above post, please read no further.

I have decided t continue my rant.

It appears to me that all talk radio does is peddle hate ,and whine, all the time. Sean Hannity blames it on hate Bush people. If there are any of them, I can understand their feelings.

May be they lost a loved one in an ill conceived war, may be they lost their job because of his policies, may be they cannot afford health care anymore (though he may not be directly responsible, he is the CEO of the country :) ), may be they are just partisan Democrats. But, they all have a reason.

But what reason do all these hate, fear peddling talk radio hosts have, other than that is the only way they can make their living? Most of them claim to be Conservative and/or Libertarian. They never let out the truth. They are all Republican hacks.

end of rant. Thanks for reading. 

Posted by funnyguy45 in reply to my4cents1172

You are right of course. Sadly, some of these people even consider themselves to be Christians! They have put many things ahead of the truth and basic principles of decency, honor, and respect. But they do make money. I would like to see a sociological study done of the middle-aged male talk show host. I think the divorce rate in this cohort would be remarkably above average. So many of them seem remarkably childish.

I listen to public radio myself almost completely these days, in small doses at a time. I hope the rest of the public tires of these earsores soon. I don't know if boycotting advertisers would make any difference, but it probably wouldn't hurt to try!

Posted by Kyle_Broflovski

I agree with Belling.  By the time you're 74 years old, you're just too grizzled and old to be effective at anything.  Seventy-somethings are just bitter about the fact that they're old, and they need to be put in their place!  How dare these old people try and re-live the memories of their glory days, which are so far behind them they probably can't even remember them!!!

Yes, old people are horrible.

Posted by mrhebert74 in reply to Kyle_Broflovski

lol Kyle.

Posted by ultrasanktpauli in reply to mrhebert74

then they want to run for office and and stumble and stammer and then give that odd vacant smile...and marry women 25 years their jr. and omg its mccain!!!

Posted by watershed in reply to ultrasanktpauli

Go Go Gadget Candidate! FUND RAISE!

Posted by BlagoBoy

How can this me MISINFORMATION when it's TRUE

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to BlagoBoy

Do you wingnuts only have three or four fill-in-the-blank "jokes"?

Posted by Kyle_Broflovski in reply to BlagoBoy

I agree with NLT as well.  We should put all people over the age of 70 in some type of detention center.  These pensioners are lazy, and contribute nothing to society.  They shouldn't be allowed to vote, let alone run for office!

Posted by IRONY 101 in reply to Kyle_Broflovski

And they shouldn't be allowed to drive either... let alone run a country.  ;>)

Posted by DorisRussell in reply to BlagoBoy

Gloria is a hero to many many women.

Posted by RoberttheP in reply to DorisRussell

Doris are you on drugs?

Posted by onionhead in reply to RoberttheP

I wonder the same thing every time I read your posts.  BTW, she stated a fact.

Posted by DorisRussell in reply to onionhead

I will not even respond to him, i think he is off his meds today.  Seems very angry.  Must be a member of the "Angry Right".

Posted by neon desert in reply to DorisRussell

I think he's just unsupervised.  Folks probably locked the cellar door after leaving a plate of food, and headed to Frisco for the weekend.

He'll get sleepy soon.  Things will get back to normal.

Posted by Brabantio in reply to RoberttheP

"God you are an idiot".

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to Brabantio

Brab, you have a very edgy praying style.

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to BlagoBoy

So tell us what exactly is 'true' about what this detestable Belling jerk said?

Posted by wolf kotenberg

Can't wait to see Mr Belling becoming the male version of that description. Plese God, let me live that long.

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to wolf kotenberg

Unless that's just an unflattering picture above, Belling doesn't have a really drastic curve coming when his looks start to fade.

Posted by Wonderkitty in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

I'm pretty sure that's not his real hair - though, one must admit, it doesn't look like he got enough time to pose and try and look either happy or serious... half way between is not a good place to be.

Also, all due respect to the numerous supportive contemporary men who are here, but I've yet to meet the man who could talk to me about any aspect of the women's movement and not make me either cringe or want to slap him.  Professional radio personalities usually fall into the latter category.  This one didn't break the mold.

Posted by watershed

I think I've resigned myself to the fact that the right wing media and Republican politicians don't pay a price for doing or saying stupid and embarrassing and truly offensive things. Like this clown, who probably GAINED a few listeners after this absurd rant.

Like the Walter Reed backdrop screwup. Not only do the people who are going to vote for McCain not care that he put Walter Reed Middle School (I still canot believe the depth of the f-up on that one) on his big TV there, but they actually think that people who go to the trouble of pointing that out are nitpicking and gay and probably want to take away everyone's guns and penises.

Posted by Max Dharma

Well, she sounds bitter to me too ;)

You see, old-school feminism was all about making it in the world on your own, *without* a man. The traditional role of a wife and mother was frowned upon by the feminist of yesterday.

Gloria Steinem is all hissy because Gov Sarah Palin breaks that old-school feminism mold and shows women that they can have it all .. looks, a handsome husband, lots of adorable kids and any gosh darn position in government they want.

Gov Sarah Palin proves that women don’t need to be man’ish to succeed, they only need to be talented.

Posted by DAWUSS in reply to Max Dharma

So what's "new-school" feminism?

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to DAWUSS

Well, "new-school" feminism is really just a relaxation of the old-school ideology.

Men today are less repressive and sexist, so women can bloom and grow on their own without a girl’s club support system.

Societies not yet perfect in this regard, but it’s getting better every year.

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to Max Dharma

You got ANY links to back up your pile of **** post?

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to RABBITLUVR

Sorry, no. My posts are based on, well, knowledge. I don’t need to Google up ‘facts’ each time I post.

I guess the days are gone when you can debate on wisdom alone.

Posted by ukobserver in reply to Max Dharma

"I guess the days are gone when you can debate on wisdom alone."

 

After reading your posts here l have to ask, just when the f*** did you START debating on wisdom?

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to Max Dharma

In other words... whatever Rush tells you over the radio. Thanks for the confirmation.

Posted by neon desert in reply to RABBITLUVR

Ignore that request, Max.

You've already done way more than enough to prove we can add this to the list of subjects with which you're unfamiliar.  Newsmax links, FrontPageMag links, even limpaugh links are unnecessary.

Time to move on and start dreaming stuff up for another subject.

By the way, just heard where the principal of Walter Reed middle school has written a letter to the McCain campaign saying she never gave permission to use the picture of the school as a backdrop last night.

sorry if there are errors above, but I can't proofread any of it because of the tears in my eyes...

Posted by watershed in reply to Max Dharma

Dharma. Women make 77 cents to every dollar a man makes.

Posted by DAWUSS in reply to watershed

I think in certain industries that number does vary. I think in some industries women make more than their non-women counterparts.

Posted by neon desert in reply to DAWUSS

Most counties in Nevada, that's true.

Plus, they get a free AIDS check every month.

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to neon desert

Do they pay for their own non-women counterparts? How about over the counter women parts?

Posted by neon desert in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

The non-female parts are sold over-the-counter, but usually they're overpriced and don't include batteries.

I don't recall ever hearing of any female counter parts - but I'm sure you can get them online.

Posted by susangee in reply to DAWUSS

"Non-woman counterparts"? Would this category include any group other than men? Just curious.

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to watershed

I don’t doubt this unfortunate truth.

I do believe that this is changing rapidly though and that we will see it vanish entirely within a short number of years.

Something worth noting when recounting this societal blemish is that this inequity is only in certain segments of our society. In other segments of our society this inequity is virtually non-existent.

In the last 20 years, I’ve had probably 3 female bosses. They were very well compensated (on par with their male peers) and were in no way discriminated against.

We have a ways to go, but we can get there without removing or somehow degrading being a wife and mother. A woman can be anything she wants to be without giving up on some of the most precious aspects of life.

Posted by neon desert in reply to Max Dharma

In many counties in Nevada, women work in dens of inequity.

Posted by Semiauto in reply to Max Dharma

Do you think we just magically started making progress or do you think it is the feminist movement and likeminded progressive males that has fostered this change? When you have Candidate McCain refusing to show up for votes to further equal pay for women, which of the two categories would you put him in?

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to Semiauto

“Do you think we just magically started making progress…”

No mam. Most men in society today are secure enough and don’t need to resort to either physical or mental misogyny to feel empowered.

The feminists movements of the 60s hastened this awareness, but it was going to happen anyway.

Posted by Kyle_Broflovski in reply to Max Dharma

Right, and Iraq would have come along just fine without the surge, as well? 

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to Kyle_Broflovski

Your brilliance = fail

the two cannot be likened; sorry, but it is a retarded analogy.

Posted by my4cents1172 in reply to Max Dharma

how did you know the income of your bosses? I want to know the income of my boss but he never told me.

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to my4cents1172

Matrix management with a published pay scale.

No salaries were secret.

Posted by MissDee in reply to watershed

Unless they're conservatives- then they deserve less, right??? I love how two faced liberals are about this stuff. It's llike the NOW- they're for all women UNLESS those women oppose abortion and other stuff that's principle based and outside of their ideology.. then they somehow become fair game for all the stuff they would oppose being applied to their cliquish little groups. Get over it- the worst misogynists of the past week ARE liberal women.

 

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to MissDee

Bingo.

Posted by Lorelei in reply to Max Dharma

Men today are less repressive and sexist, so women can bloom and grow on their own without a girl’s club support system.

Yah, thats why this particular man calls old women names right?

Must be only the young nubile ones they respect....right?

Oh no, they want those barefoot and bearing children and not have a choice in the matter.

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to Lorelei

As I said, society is not perfect, but we are getting better.

However a sour, resentful personality like yours will like be shunned in any environment.

Posted by susangee in reply to Max Dharma

Max -- I have a feeling you are a teacher, right? That would explain the "matrix, blah, whatever" and the public access to salaries. I am a teacher and I understand that ALL teachers at the same "step" and with the same educational level earn the ame salary. How is this proof of income equity across the professional spectrum?

One more thing: do you know the meaning of the the word "sanctimonious"?

 

 

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to susangee

If you are a teacher, then you need to bone-up on your reading comprehension.

How is this proof of income equity across the professional spectrum?

I never said any such thing and did in fact say something quite different.

PS. And yes, I know the work sanctimonious, it means holier-than-thou.

It's really quite a lot of work to not sound holier-than-thou when speaking to liberals/secular progressives. :P

Posted by susangee in reply to Max Dharma

Oh, brother.

My reading comprehension is fine. Also, my ability to infer and generalize. You, however, might want to work a little harder on the sanctimonious thing.

Posted by susangee in reply to Max Dharma

And calling the feminist movement a "girls' club support system" is not the least bit sexist.

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to susangee

And calling the feminist movement a "girls' club support system" is not the least bit sexist.

Not at all .. but yours is a typical liberal style retort.

The fact that politics has been dominated by men "an old-boys club" is a demonstration of sexism in politics, however calling it an "an old-boys club" is not at all sexist; it simply is what it is.

Posted by doggone-ga in reply to Max Dharma

"You see, old-school feminism was all about making it in the world on your own, *without* a man. The traditional role of a wife and mother was frowned upon by the feminist of yesterday."

Wrong on both counts.  True, it was corrupted to the by a few odd-balls...but mainstream feminism was, and is, about equal rights, and equal opportunity, for both men AND women. 

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to doggone-ga

You see, Doggone, anytime you see a post that begins with the words "you see...". you can see that you're about to be entertained by somebody who gets their information from the fatherly authoritarians on right wing radio, who calm their listeners by starting out their sentences with "you see..."

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

You see, Doggone, anytime you see a post that begins with the words "you see...". you can see that you're about to be entertained by somebody who gets their information from the fatherly authoritarians on right wing radio

Or someone that is more informed is trying to enlighten you.

You decide.

Posted by susangee in reply to Max Dharma

Do you mean "better informed"? And who gets to decide who is "better informed"? What do you know about the educational background or experience of other posters here? If you are confident about your opinion you will just state it, back it up with fact (fact, my dear, is a component of knowledge, but not exactly synonymous with knowledge) and logic, and not resort to name-calling.

Posted by doggone-ga in reply to Max Dharma

"Or someone that is more informed is trying to enlighten you.

You decide."

You bet.  I have decided.  You don't have a clue that what you say has no basis in reality.

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to doggone-ga

"Wrong on both counts. True, it was corrupted to the by a few odd-balls...but mainstream feminism was, and is, about equal rights, and equal opportunity, for both men AND women. "

Yes, for today's feminists, no for those of the 60's.

We will just have to disagree.

Posted by foghornleghorn in reply to Max Dharma

Gov Sarah Palin proves that women don’t need to be man’ish to succeed, they only need to be talented.

All she's proven is that you've got to have good looks and catch the eye of an old geezer with the power to promote you.

Posted by BottleBlonde in reply to foghornleghorn

Did you see the video of McCain oogling Palin? It's hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RN5xbWtNSU

Posted by Lorelei in reply to BottleBlonde

oogling his "soul-mate"

If I was Ms McCain I would be more than a little pissed. 

Posted by manndan in reply to Lorelei

If I was Mr. Palin I'd be more than a little bit pissed.

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to BottleBlonde

The podium is also a teleprompter .. he's reading where she is in her speech so that he knows when to hug, shake hands, wave, etc...

But yeah, if it were only you huh?

(Don't be such a goldfish)

Posted by skeptical in reply to Max Dharma

Max,

You seem to neglect the fact that she is the protege of Senator Stevens.  Turns out she did have a man in her life that got her where she is now.

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to skeptical

You need to read more; more than say some liberal bias that (ineptly) tries to discredit her. The fact is that she has arrived where she is on her own.

(And in doing so has achieved 3x the experience as Obama.)

It's really weak to try to attribute all her success as a mayor and governor to some 3rd party .. really weak. Read up man, then we'll talk.

Posted by eweston8542983

Gloria was and is her own woman. This guy's bought and paid for.

Class does not depend on looks. Lack off class can use good looks as a crutch. Somehow the lack of class here shines though his mug.

Think he's had any nip tuck done? 

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to eweston8542983

The point isn't that Gloria isn't her own woman, it's that she resents Gov Palin for making it with *everything* .. a handsome husband, beautiful kids, AND a career ... it's just killing the old-school feminists. (As they disdain men.)

Posted by eweston8542983 in reply to Max Dharma

If the resentment affects her life then she isn't her own woman.

Try again.

Posted by shaggles

"a 74-year-old, embittered, old has-been "

Wait a minute.  Is he talking about McCain?

Posted by archae

Well well.

I live an hour's drive north of Milwaukee, and know of Belling all too well.

I laughed my head off, when ACT-UP threw just about the entire vegetable stand at Belling, for his hateful AIDS comments.

(I saw an egg hit him in one ear, I swear I saw it come out his other ear.) (grin)

Posted by eweston8542983

One of those folks who if they ever put their nose to the gringstone you'd observe sparks coming out their ears?

Posted by mikerhyner8202

Thats a nicer comment than most post here about Pres Bush

Posted by skeptical in reply to mikerhyner8202

Great addition to the commentary Mike!  You have come a long way!

Posted by mikerhyner8202 in reply to skeptical

Hey, but it is truthful.

Posted by eweston8542983 in reply to mikerhyner8202

Why would you think that? Put my coment in context, rate it, and show examples and numbers that support your thesis.

I can't recall tha last really creative insult directed at Shrub.

Posted by BillJ-MN in reply to mikerhyner8202

Steinam has been mch better for this country than WPE Bush has been.

Posted by jmh

Mark Belling speaks for all Republicans, apparently.

Well, really just the fringe cult of Republicans that have ruled for the last decade.

What is amazing is how they face so little accountability for their

perpetual disdain of, hmm, well: People, America and its form of government, and yes, the Constitution.

They do, however, love the Flag, oh, and Guns, it seems, and, oddly enough, destroying the advances we have made, and the values that our ancestors fought, sacrificed and died for... did I forget to mention they love the Flag?... just not the nation for which it stands.

Posted by Max Dharma in reply to jmh

just the fringe cult of Republicans that have ruled for the last decade.

Lol, that's classic .. I should make that my signature line. Do you mind?

Posted by Wavingclouds

This guy is really a bag of garbage. The public should research the sponsors of his show and organize boycotts against their products until they remove him from the airwaves.He makes America look really bad.

Posted by joyfree529

The sad thing is that Gloria Steinem is being judged by her appearance much in the same way as Hillary Clinton earlier this year. I think she(Gloria) still looks very beautiful at 72: http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/steinem.jpg. It's also amusing to me that McCain is getting a taste of what it's like himself and I bet he doesn't like it one bit. We all get old, if we're lucky enough, and our idea of beauty and grace will change as we do, hopefully. This Belling character is a real piece of work. I don't think Gloria is jealous of Palin at all, but scared of what she tries to represent, which is a true "supermom". As a mother of a child with an autism-spectrum disorder and developmental delay, I can tell you from my OWN experience that special needs kids are short-changed all the way through their education and life. Palin has NO idea of what is ahead for her. Her son is indeed a blessing, but with him being a special needs kid, she really might find that she's in over her head. While I want Obama to win, I hope that Palin can become a successful advocate for special-needs children and adults and help change the system to better suit them. We (the parents) are tired, discouraged, and fearful of a Republican presidency in these times that will cut funding for our kids while throwing away millions of dollars in Iraq.

Posted by redrhino56

the hate speak flows on and on...