Now I know what the GOP were talking about back in 2000 when they came out with the "Bore / Loserman" bumper stickers. Can we bring those back? Maybe a McBush / Loserman sticker? And how come the republicans now LOVE Joe Lieberman? Back in 2000, he was like The Devil!

How about McSame/Failin' ? I'd put THAT sticker on my bumper!

Obama DID vote to cut funds for troops on the batte field, and Lieberman pointed that out. Since when is it an attack to correctly and accurately talk about a person’s record? Obama has voted to fund the troops but he also voted to cut their funding. That is a fact, plain and simple. MMFA is upset because Lieberman told the truth. He also said that Obama did not have the experience McCain has. Once again, the truth.

Lieberman phrased it in such a way as to give the impression that Obama was actively working to deprive the troops of funding.  That impression is directly contrary to reality.

By your warped standard, virtually every member of the Senate has voted to "cut funds" for the troops.  Even you should be able to see how deceitful Lieberman's statement is.

You're playing with words and being disingenuous.

O.K. well...  devoid of how much experience John McCain has, it doesn't matter.  Here's why.  No matter how much experience John McCain has, he still has a pathetic political plan.  He is making a sorry attempt to invest in alternative energy if he becomes president.  Alternative energy is something that we "must" have and Barack Obama has laid out a clear and safe proposal to take care of that.  A proposal that will create jobs, boost our economy, and unshackle our troubled ties with Middle East oil.  Also, the majority of other developed nations are extremely upset with our Iraq war because it was unwarranted.  Period.  We entered the war because, supposedly, there was weapons of mass destruction.  Remember?  Well, that was blatantly false.  Also, we were told that the same group that attacked us on 9/11 lives in Iraq.  Well, guess what?  That's not true either.  So, slowly but surely, these lies came out and the entire country, all of a sudden, felt very skeptical.  Now, here we are claiming that the war in Iraq is in our favor even though we are almost a trillion dollars in debt due to the war, and we have arbitrarily killed American and Iraqi people for a war that was started for reasons that were not even true!  Barack Obama voted "NO" on the war and he wanted to invest in our military to go after the terrorists in Afghanistan because the terrorist groups are largely centered there, especially Al Queda and the Taliban network.  Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.  And, their presence was no threat to us.  We have nuclear weapons that could destroy this entire planet.  And, because of this, other developed nations are not happy with our political leaders, like John McCain, who voted for the war.  Remember, the U.S. is the only powerful nation.  Also, just because we have a strong military doesn't mean we have the right to bully other nations.  There is a general discontent aimed at our country because we have gotten arrogant politically and tried to bully others around with brute force.  Do you know what other empire did that?  Rome.  And, they were conquered internally by Turks who had had enough of Rome's corruption.  John McCain is exactly what this world does not need.  He is already disliked abroad, he's losing in American polls and his political agenda is not nearly as comprehensive at Obama's.  His campaign has spent the majority of its time attacking Obama with sensational commercials and avoided the issues altogether.  He hasn't spoken clearly about the issues because his agenda is not substantial.  There is no agenda, no plan, no clear vision that is ready to be implemented.  His only hope is to berate Obama because once he is questioned about his knowledge of the issues, in the company of Barack Obama, this election is over.  I will be watching the debates.  Can't wait.

I own rights to Gidget and Geezer, but as fellow members you're free to use it!

I vote for:            McClain/Pain 08

                the former POW and socer mom

                       He will lay more pipe

Old Side Show Joe. Where else was he going to go? His gig was up.

I think Joe L is still mad about losing the primary last year, and the democratic party having the gall, I dare say, the balls, to NOT support him in his run for the Senate. I mean, it's not like he lost the primary or anything like that. Oh wait, he DID lose the primary. Why doesn't he just go over to the dark side forever, and put an (R) next to his name? I will say this. He's still better than good old Zell "I'm going to burst a vein in my forehead" Miller. Now THAT guy is crazy.

Wow I conveniently forgot about Zel. It's like they opened his cage and he came out frothing.

Funny how the voters.....you remember them.....the voters.......many with a D after their names voted to keep him in the sentate.

I'm  just thoroughly enjoy watching Republicans throw their support to the man they dubbed "Loserman" 8 years ago. Does this now mean that the Republicans openly support losers?

bolten' joe had more R's than D's vote for him last time around. POV.

And polls have indicated a great deal of buyer's remorse on the part of Connecticut's voters, once they got a chance to see what a monumental weasel Holy Joe has turned out to be.

Funny how the voters.....you remember them.....the voters.......many with a D after their names voted to keep him in the sentate. - pointofview / Wednesday September 3, 2008 2:36:27 PM

 

Funny how the Republican Party chopped their own candidate (Alan Schlesinger) off at the knees and encouraged their voters to vote for Bush's favorite "Dem," Lieberman. 

 

Mags,

It is too late now, but Would not a Lieberman defection to R have made the GOP in the majority party in the Senate?

"I'm not going to go to that convention, the Republican convention, and spend my time attacking Barack Obama."

 

This lie is as shocking as the ones he told at the convention.  Why on earth can't the media report this?

It wasn't much of an attack.  It was a lie but as attacks go it was fairly mild.

Ha ha. We need a "Lie-o-meter" or maybe the "Lieometer"!

Indeed!  Question: is the Troop Support lie more or less of a lie than this other lie told by Joe: "In the Senate, [Obama] has not reached across party lines to get anything significant done"?  That lie is pretty good, too.  And I like the lie when he called himself a Democrat, that lie is almost as good as the lie he told Brokaw when he said he was not going to the RNC to attack Obama.

They could make a movie about this Republican Convention. Oh wait, they did. 

I like it. You've got to click a link to see the punchline, making the payoff better.

It was between that one or this.  That's the first thing that popped in my head, tuesday, when I heard Thompson and Lieberman were headlining the convention.

 I would guess Lieberman has only his own interests to protect, so he will do whatever it takes to help the McCain/Pailn ticket.

From Think Progress; Amanda, August 21st., 2008 (bold type as found in article)

Secretary Of State Lieberman Endorses ‘Dumb’ Plan To Kick Russia Out Of The G-8»

Today, the Wall Street Journal joins Sean Hannity and Karl Rove in promoting Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) for Secretary of State in a McCain administration, praising his “first-rate” national security judgment:

Our own view is that Mr. Lieberman would make a fine Secretary of State, and that, given the political risks, making him vice president would probably be too great an election gamble. But Mr. Lieberman’s national security credentials are first-rate, and we’ve known him long enough to remember his opposition to an income tax in Connecticut, and his support for lower capital gains taxes, school vouchers and private Social Security accounts. Liberated from having to run as a Democrat, he might recall those policy instincts.

Today, Lieberman showed exactly what type of diplomacy he’d practice as Secretary of State. Speaking in Poland after a trip to Georgia with fellow McCain ally Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Lieberman proposed kicking Russia out of the G-8:..............[....]

I'll bet Lieberman wishes he were from Maine, so the designation after his name would read (I-ME)...

I heard Bob Schieffer say that if McCain wins, he will put Lieberman in his cabinet. 

And all I could think of is:  Yes. Regardless of who wins the election, Lieberman should be PUT IN A CABINET--especially in the kind where one would keep Tools. 

Wow how things change in 8 years

 

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/08/07/gore.lieberman/index.html

 

Monday, while vacationing on Martha's Vineyard, Clinton said he was pleased with the choice of Lieberman, whom he described as a "friend."

"I think he's wonderful," the president said. "He's been a wonderful friend to me. I'm very happy about Joe Lieberman."

"He's a bold thinker, he's always full of new ideas." Clinton said. "And he's supported the changes that we've made over the last eight years that have turned America around and moved America forward. I think he's just an extraordinary guy... I like him."

White House aides said Gore telephoned president Clinton in Edgartown, Massachusetts, late Monday morning to tell him he had settled on a running mate.

"Joe Lieberman represents a new guard of leadership," said one Gore source. "Senator Lieberman has a national reputation of integrity and independence. Lieberman and Gore share the same values."

Lieberman, 58, served as Connecticut's attorney general prior to defeating Republican Lowell Weicker to claim his seat in Congress' upper chamber. He is currently running for re-election to his Senate seat, and under Connecticut state law, could opt to keep his Senate campaign active while simultaneously running for the number two slot on the Democratic ticket.

Members of his immediate family seemed blindsided by the news. "I'm overwhelmed by this incredible moment in time and history and the history of my family and the history of many immigrants throughout the country," said Hadassah Lieberman, the senator's wife.

"Wow how things change in 8 years"

 

Yeah, some people have turned into complete fools after 9/11, and some people have not.

People on the LEFT never changed. They were quick to blame America, denigrate the military and give aid and comfort to the enemy for about 50 years before 9/11 and have remained the same for the 7 years since.

I blame America for Iraq, not for 9/11.

Thanks, NOLeft. Another sane, reasonable and reality -based post. WTF are you talking about?

He's right you know.

I'm used to giving aid and comfort to our enemy but Jesus H. Christ, how's a sane person able to keep track of all of our enemies today.

I liked it better when I only had to cut one check at the end of each month to the commies.

Funny!

On a totally unrelated matter: Does anybody have any American flags I could use to heat my home this winter?

I suggest burning copies of the constitution if the Republicans win.

That's about all it will be good for.

Col

He was giving you a very accurate description of your party. 

Oh, look.  POV slithered back in to make another worthless post using his old name.  What happened - did your latest sockpuppet get banned?

name.what the hell is my new name?  You are so stupid WZ, I would never use more than one name and confuse you.  You have never been able to keep up with me yet. 

Hi pointy. I'm not a member of any political party, so right off the bat you've failed. What you saw as "accurate" were a load of baseless wild accusations, the sort of BS that people with critical thinking skills tend to dismiss without some sort of backup.

Why don't you and Nolefthemisphere join your half-wits together, and see if you can come up with some of those "facts".

Or, you can just shut your cockholster,and come back when you have another childish imagination-based insult to post.

Good luck, both of you.

Col

Yea right, you are not a member of any party.  You just vote for the dems 100% of the time, and always trash the republicans.....but you...you are an independent.  You have never once taken an issue here that is not totally 100% in line with the dems.....i mean progressives.  Thanks for the laugh.  Was a long day at work, and reading that......you calling your self anything other than a member of the far loony left was just the laugh I needed.

Your hallucinations about my voting record aside, did you come up with any of those "facts" I asked for? No? Did you think I wouldn't notice?

FAIL !

McC said we have succeeded in Iraq and palin just said we are GOING to win. I am wondering if the meaning of terms and words are important? Will anybody else pick up on this or am I being hyper technical about republican nomenclature or is it I just don't understan republicanese? I heard palins speach and it was filled with great denegrating quips. I had no idea of the enormity and complexity that being a socer mom entails. Clearly, she has more knowledge of world events than both Obama and Biden combined. The audience was going wild with excitement over every disparraging remark on O and B. They obviously have a firm grasp on this election and why don't we just hand McC the crown and bow down before his majesty and queen? I bet O and B soiled themselves when listening to that Lincoln like address tonite.

Those who forget history are doomed by twacked over the head with it by Niceguy Eddie...

WHO was it that ARMED Osama Bin Laden and his Mujahadeen?  Oh yeah, your idol Ronald Reagan and your parasitic VP Dick Cheney.  Was Reagan not giving aid and confort to Hezbollah when he pulled the troops out of Lebanon?  Was Clinton aid and abbeting the enemy when he oredered cruise missile strikes? (I won't mention Bush41's invasion of Iraq, as I srongtronly supported it at the time, even if it did give Bin Laden a new propaganda monkey.)  America's past choices, including many by Republican Administrations, DID contribute to 9/11.  That's fact.  That's history.  That doesn't make us BAD, or make it OUR FAULT, but if we are blind to how our own behavior might just be counterpreductive to our broader and future goals, well that does make us... um... REPUBLICANS, I think is the word.

NLT:  Please provide references for your inane comments. 

We on the left haven't been blaming America for the problems of the last seven plus years.

We blame the Bush/Cheney administration. Just as the right vilified Clinton for eight years, we knew they weren't blaming America, just the president.

The big difference between you righties and us on the left is that we're able to understand those subtle differences.

Or maybe you're trying to tell us that you do hate America.

Worrier,

Next you'll be saying you support the troops but not the war. 

Yeah, that seems to be a difficult concept for you righties to grasp. But... with a little more work on that brain of yours, you might just get it...

You may say that you can't support the troops but be against the war, but your saying it, doesn't make it so. You have absolutely, positively, no first hand experience in this matter.

I, on the other hand have first hand knowledge, that opposition to a war, can in fact be supporting the troops.

I've witnessed troops in the field being encouraged by people at home filling the streets, demonstrating against a war.

Hey troll:

If you have any direct evidence of anyone "giving aid and comfort to the enemy," please bring it forward and file treason charges.

Otherwise, sit down and STFU.

SGDave, there seems to be a little infestation today. Could you be more specific about which troll you're addressing (NLT, POV or AA)? They're confused enough already, don't make it worse.

Col

I dont think he was talking about me, but come on sports guy....your party has been all about giving aid and comfort to the enemy, and hoping we lose the war for 2 years now.  Obama wont even admit the surge has worked. 

Please, please, puhleeeeeeeeeez, give me one, just one, example of the left giving "aid and comfort to the enemy".  Can you?  Just one?  A little one?

After that, if you can, I'd appreciate a short analysis of how the surge worked.  You know, a couple of events that occurred and how they contributed to the peace and stability we see in Iraq now.  Maybe a little something to show how the Iraqi government has taken over all national operations and no longer needs any of our troops there, and how we've achieved all the goals and that were laid out by the Bush administration.

That'd be great.  Thanks.

I can't even remember the last reason given for invading Iraq. I remember mushroom clouds a few years ago. I can't recall what it has morped into though. If I can't remember, and I have a clear mind, how could the right wing base with their minds all cluttered up with hating Obama for being a muslim, some woman terminatig a pregnancy, somebody explaining the birds and the bees to an underage child and the use of condoms, supporting the troops,prayer in school, the 10 comandments on Gvt. property and all the other items on the right wing agenda, remember why we went into Iraq. When these people are told we have succeeded in Iraq, I have a tendency to believe these folks also believe it. If we have succeeded, then lets get the hell out of there. Oh no, we can't do that at this time for why?????? Why can't we start withdrawing if we have truely succeeded as McC has said with zeal. Puddin heads believe this horse s--t. I have a tendency to question these statements however. This makes me nonpatriotic I realize. it also makes me against the troops I know. Did I mention it also makes me an America hater to question these statements made by right wing nuts? Oh well, call a spade a spade, I guess. Go ahead and sock it to me because I am not a sycophant of the babybush administration as they would never lie to me, right?

Yes, Lieberman has changed a lot in that time.

Wow how things change in 8 years

Yeah. Who knew that all the intelligence (such as it was) of the GOP was stored in the Twin Towers?

 This just proves that Lieberman wants to be all things to all people...anything to promote himself. In the end, he is being used as a play for Jewish votes....like Palin is being used because of her gender and religious beliefs. 

 

 Boston Globe. M. Kranish Aug. 21st. 2008 http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/08/21/independent_lieberman_upends_political_world/?page=2

The problem with identity politics is that if you believe it to be true for the Republicans, then it must also be true for the Democrats.

That's an inductive fallacy known as a false analogy, Barn. But it's a nice break from the usual strawmen and begging the question. Good to see you mixing up your logical pratfalls.

yea 8 arab guys with cell phones and box cutters changed the world. guys like lieberman just viewed that as a new opportunity for personal enhancement.

yea 8 arab guys with cell phones and box cutters changed the world. guys like lieberman just viewed that as a new opportunity for personal enhancement.

And Rudy Giuliani has been looking at the 9/11 attachs as his own personal cash cow.

It would be interesting to calculate just how much personal wealth has been generated as a direct result of post-9/11 fearmongering.

 Lieberman's own words at the convention:

 

“What, after all, is a Democrat like me doing at a Republican convention like this?” Mr. Lieberman asked. “The answer is simple. I’m here to support John McCain because country matters more than party.”     NY Times 9-3-08

Is LIEberman senile?  If I'm not mistaken, didn't he lose the last Democratic Primary he was in?

SF,

The anti-war left abandoned Lieberman in the primary, he still caucuses with the Dems and considers himself a Democrat.  So does just about everyone not on the radical left.

I think Colbert put it more accurately.

Of course, Joe LIEberman lied about not attacking Obama.  Why do you think I always spell his name LIEberman?  Because he's a worthless liar.

I wonder what Joe For GOP thinks about Palin's ties to Jews For Jesus?

Geez - is there ANY wacko fringe group that woman is NOT tied to????

She's a poster girl for the Evangelical Nutjob Neo Confederate Theofascist Wackos. She should feel right at home in today's Republican Party.

That's just what she is, Nerz. Funny part is, it looks like the GOP is panicking because they suddenly realized there were more reasonably well -adjusted people in America than they thought. At least, more semi-normal people who were in their ranks.

May be the first election that hinges on firing up the insane, and Palin seems to be just the one to get them out of their attics and treehouses to the polls.

I hope I'm not underestimating their numbers.

Where was the lie?  Obama did vote to cut funding for the troops, and he has no experience.  Only on the left does the truth become a lie. 

Where was the lie?  Obama did vote to cut funding for the troops, and he has no experience.  Only on the left does the truth become a lie. - POV

Your description is the big lie here.  Choosing not to support a particular funding bill IS NOT THE SAME as voting to "cut funding."  They are not the same to any normal, rational person.

Only on the right to the lies flow so easily.

Where was the lie?

1.) Lieberman said he would not attack Obama when in fact he did attack Obama. 2.) He claimed Obama voted against funding the Troops when in fact Omaba voted to fund the Troops. 3.) He claimed that Obama has not worked with Republicans on important legislation when in fact he's worked with Republicans on important legislation. 4.)  Lieberman called himself a 'D' when in fact he's an 'I'.

 

Gov

I asked you for the LIES he told.  Everything you mentioned was true.  He did not attack Obama, Obama did vote to cut funds for the troops, Obama does not reach across party lines, and Joe can be whatever party he decides.  Sorry Governor wannabe......you dont get to define who he is, and the real governor is on our ticket, and will be the next VP. 

Must kill you that Palin has more experience than Obama, and that in her last election she got more votes than Biden did for president.

I'll give you number 4, but the other three were lies.  As for me getting killed over Palin's experience, I'm simply not effected by it.  I'm leaning towards voter for Nader.

Perhaps you might want to listen to this 'off camera' exchange between Peggy Noonan (rightwing shill), Mike Murphy, and Chuck Todd...

Even hard-core righties are disgusted by McCain and his pick. Enjoy.

http://rangerbobfriends.blogspot.com/2008/09/mike-murphy-and-peggy-noonan-dont-like.html

Nordquist's anti tax group helped pick her. Those deep pockets are now accessible to Mcloin.

More employment opportunities for wingnuts should be availible very shortly. Might shave a percentage points off the unemployment rates for a couple months. 

You gotta admit, even if you don't like Lieberman's position regarding Iraq, it took a lot of political courage for Lieberman to support McCain. 

I didn't see his speech as an attack on Obama at all. Lieberman simply pointed out the differences between the two candidates.

Has McCain told anyone what Lieberman's position would be in his administration?  My guess is Secretary of State. 

No, it doesn't represent courage.  He saw the writing on the wall and realized that a stronger Democratic majority would probably reduce his influence.  He would probably have lost his committee assignments.  He saw a chance to stay relevant with a McCain administration and grabbed at the chance.

A key piece of his last Senate campaign was a promise to caucus with the Democrats.  He couldn't have been reelected without that, so he was forced to after he won the election.  The Democrats were forced to work with him in order to be the majority party.  That won't be necessary next January.

You don't think a dishonest description of Obama's funding votes qualifies as an attack?  In what world?

With any luck, we'll never find out what his position would be under McCain.

Bill,

Reading from the bottom up, No I didn't see it as an attack. Just politics as usual. Both sides do it.

Lieberman also said nice things about Obama. His complaint was Obama is not ready to be President and he has never shown that he has done anything to either take on the establishment or reach across party lines.  Hence Lieberman's support of McCain.

 

... when Barack Obama was voting to cut off funding for our troops on the ground - Lieberman

That is dishonest and intended to portray Obama in a negative manner.  That makes it an attack by any reasonable standard.  Obama has never cast a vote to "cut off funding."  Lieberman's not playing with words, he's being deliberately deceitful.

And that makes you wrong.

cont.

I am not so jaded about Lieberman as you. I think he is still a liberal Democrat. I see on his website he lists himself as an ID (Independet Democrat.) 

It looks to me like the some here are very intolerant of Lieberman and demand lockstep conformity to their anti-war stance. Since Lieberman disagrees, lot of people here want to see Lieberman's head on a platter. 

I sometimes get tired of you wingnuts whining about intolerance, Barney, but I have to give you this one. The Dems do seem pretty intolerant of those who are completely wrong on the most important issue of the past several years. That's why Joe's cuddling up to the GOP, the tolerance for failure and stupidity over there is legendary.

This objective view was brought to you by a man who is not a member of any party

 "I am the col, an independent hack, and I support this mesage"

You seem confused, Pointy. I never claimed to be objective, I only corrected you that I'm not a member of the Democratic Party, and never have been. Stop flailing around, your own strawmen are giving you a curb job.

Lieberman is not a liberal, much less a liberal Democrat.  Most rankings of Senators put him in the high 30s or into the 40s among the most liberal, which isn't very liberal given that the Senate itself isn't a very liberal body.  In that stupid National Journal ranking that put Obama first, Lieberman came in 44th.  The Conservative Union ranked him 39th.  It actually puts him on the conservative end of moderate among Democrats.  No, Lieberman is not liberal.

I don't consider my view to be jaded.  I'm simply expressing what my eyes, ears and mind are making very clear to me.  Lieberman has been pandering to the Republicans since he got his feelings hurt in 2006.  He likes his power and is taking what he sees as the best route to maintain some of it.

No one's demanding lockstep adherence from him.  He's being evaluated fairly on the basis of the decisions he has made.

Lieberman praising Obama in 2006, from the Huffington post:

 

"As far as I am concerned he is a Baruk, which means a blessing, he is a blessing to the United States Senate to America and to our shared hopes for a better safer tomorrow for all our families. The gifts that God has given to Barack Obama are as enormous as his future is unlimited. As his mentor, as his colleague, as his friend, I look forward to helping him reach to the stars and realize not just the dreams he has for himself but the dreams we all have for him and our blessed country."

I am amazed at what they say is true. We democrats really do eat our own. You people are horrible in your treament of Lieberman. Screw this, After seeing Sarah Palin last night, I am also leaving this mean spirited party. This girls towers way above Barack.  Although I was a Hilary supporter, I gave Barack a chance, but this is not the party that I signed up for 35 years ago. You have left you basic convictions and have swayed way to far.

 

Yeah, sure you were a Democrat and a Hillary supporter.  I fully believe you. 

Like we don't know about the republicans that keep popping into discussion areas ripping Obama and pretending to be Democrats and/or Hillary supporters.  Your act is getting tiresome.

Right Bob, Stay comfy with your conversion. I'm sure it was difficult and emotionally draining. But all that pain is gone now that you've found the true way.

Lieberman is a democrat now um. When did he reenter the party. Before or after he trashed them at the republican convention. Just think without that stellar VP McNurgy picked Joe could have been his pick. We'd have a split ticket, a war enthusiast and a war enabler.

OOhh(head slap) they do have it! How silly of me. I guess it was all win win regardless!

Keep smiling!

Joe Lieberman has repeatedly proven himself to be one of the most dishonest politicians in America. I agree that America should stand by the state of Israel. But Joe Lieberman always seems to put Israel’s interest ahead of America's. Whenever a U.S. Senator demonstrates more concern for a foreign nation than for the United States itself, he is not worthy of national office. This man can care less about Americans who are catching hell trying to survive by keeping their jobs and homes. I hope this corrupt politician will soon be voted out of office. He is a total waste.