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Fox News host set up false contrast between Palin and Biden, both of whom have sons going to Iraq

Summary: Summary: Fox News' Jon Scott suggested that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin can contrast herself with Sen. Joe Biden on Iraq because her son is "deploying to Iraq next month." But Scott did not note that Biden's son is also reportedly deploying to Iraq.
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Posted by DAWUSS

I read on AOL earlier today that Beau Biden was DE's AG...

Posted by carlileb5935

Yeah. Did you just get up?

Posted by carlileb5935 in reply to carlileb5935

Oh, I get it. The Reserves don't count. Like a guy who is an attorney is actually making less of a sacrifice....

Posted by sandss981580 in reply to carlileb5935

one's behind a desk, the other is a ground pounder.  that's a difference. 

Posted by pete592 in reply to sandss981580

I wonder what real members of an Army signal brigade would have to say about your quip.

Posted by seeryer in reply to carlileb5935

Sabato must have been asleep this week as well.  Notice how often he is the guest when so much right wing distortion goes unchecked.

Posted by carlileb5935 in reply to

Hey, not once, not ONCE, has Russia dared invade Alaska. You can't ignore that, you liberals.

Posted by snoopy in reply to carlileb5935

But they did. It's just a hypothesis, but them darned russians infiltrated Alaska and sent bombs down the alaskan pipeline to force us to send them grain. It's a documented hypothesis...

Posted by edwilljunior8473 in reply to carlileb5935

I was listening to the Laura Ingram show on the radio today. I needed to hear some good comedy today and she never fails. She was pointing out the plus' about Sarah Palin and in making a point about her knowledge of foreign policy she actually did say that she knows foreign policy because Russia is right next to Alaska. Unbelievable!

Posted by snoopy

In an interview with Time Magazine today, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK), Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) running mate, suggested that McCain has yet to share his plan for Iraq with her. Palin, who has not been to Iraq, said she does not know “what the plan is to ever end the war.”

Yeah, I guess she can contrast with Biden. He's got a plan and she has no clue...

Courtesy of think progress, btw.

Posted by DAWUSS in reply to snoopy

Palin's never been a POW. She can't easily understand John McCain's plan ;)

Posted by carlileb5935 in reply to

Snoopy where do you find this stuff?

Posted by DAWUSS in reply to carlileb5935

I think it finds him ;)

Posted by DAWUSS in reply to

That I think sums it up!

Posted by ukobserver in reply to DAWUSS

This may be the only time l ever agree with something that you post!!

Posted by tlou33 in reply to

Go, Snoopy, Go!

Beau Biden joined the National Guard in 2003.  He's a JAG (Judge Advocate General) officer with the rank of Captain.  Biden is assigned to Delaware's 261st Signal Brigade, which is slated for deployment to Iraq in the near future.

When Beau Biden joined the Guard and Joe Biden suggested that the idea of his son deploying caused him to consider Iraq policy even more carefully than he previously had, Ann Coulter mocked him and suggested that there was little likelihood that Beau Biden would ever have to go to a combat theater.  I wonder if she'll be retracting that comment, or if Jon Scott will correct the false impression described in this MMFA story.  Ah ha ha ha ha ha!  Being a Republican means never being wrong and never apologizing.

Posted by carlileb5935 in reply to 1st Republic 14th Star

No doubt the repubs are going to contrast Biden's reservist status as an 'elitist', with Palin being the real soldier.

Give them about 6 hours to figure out how to do it. Then the MSM will scrutinze Biden.

Posted by 1st Republic 14th Star in reply to carlileb5935

Right on.

Here's my first prediction -- The Republicans say that being a military lawyer doesn't count as real service, an approach they'll use with no sense of irony when the names Congressman Steve Buyer and Senator Lindsey Graham are mentioned -- IOKIYAR.  In addition, they'll accuse him of padding his resume as part of a long range plan to succeed his father in the Senate.

Here's my second -- the GOP meme is that Beau Biden used his father's political connections to jump to the top of the waiting list to join the National Guard in a cowardly attempt to escape combat, and then leapfrogged more qualified applicants to obtain a direct commission as an officer, an appointment for which he did not meet the minimum eligibility criteria.  Oh, wait...

I guess they'll stick with number 1.

Posted by DAWUSS in reply to 1st Republic 14th Star

Biden III is what the Elephants would consider one of "The Phony Soldiers"?

Posted by sandss981580 in reply to 1st Republic 14th Star

how stupid is that.  there is no draft, why would you need political connections.

Posted by snoopy in reply to sandss981580

There is no draft NOW, DA. During Vietnam there was one. I really can't believe you just threw something that stupid out there...

Posted by carlileb5935 in reply to sandss981580

It was a joke.

Posted by 1st Republic 14th Star in reply to sandss981580

I was contrasting Beau Biden's decision to voluntarily join the military during a war with George W. Bush's decision to use his father George H.W. Bush's political connections to get to the top of a waiting list to join the Texas Air National Guard.

The younger Bush made this move in 1968 in a cowardly attempt to avoid being drafted for active duty and service in Vietnam.

Further, the younger Bush then received a direct commission as a second lieutenant, an appointment for which he did not meet the minimum eligibility criteria.

Even further, after his training as a fighter pilot, Bush attend weekend drills and annual training for a while, but them mysteriously stopped performing his duty, something that coincides with the end of the draft and the institution of mandatory drug tests for pilots.

Finally, Bush then asked to be released from his service contract before he had fulfilled the minimum six year commitment he made when he joined the Guard in 1968, and he received his discharge a year early.

I thought that anyone with knowledge of current events and recent history would have understood the references I made and would have understood why I made them as a way to contrast Beau Biden with George W. Bush.  My apologies.

Just in case you STILL don't get it, I was praising Beau Biden for selfless service while demeaning Bush's selfish acts, and comparing Bush's selfishness with Republican hypocritical pro-military and pro-war rhetoric.

Posted by mrmike15426 in reply to carlileb5935

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Interesting...they didn't make that comparison with Kerrey (active duty in 'Nam) vs. George W. (protecting the U.S. Gulf Coast).

Posted by shaggles in reply to

Mitt shoulda sent his boys to Iraq.

Posted by 1st Republic 14th Star in reply to shaggles

Romney:

"My sons are all adults and they've made decisions about their careers and they've chosen not to serve in the military and active duty and I respect their decision in that regard."

Romney added: "One of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I'd be a great president."

Posted by carlileb5935 in reply to

Snoopy you must have one wierd search engine to find all this stuff.

Posted by snoopy in reply to carlileb5935

Nah, I use google. I have one wierd thought process!

Posted by BottleBlonde in reply to snoopy

You weirdo's are both are weird because you spelled weird weirdly by spelling it wierd.

Posted by carlileb5935 in reply to BottleBlonde

I know but what's really weird is that wierd looks OK.

Posted by snoopy

Obama and co. needs to hammer home her creationist creds.

Friday, August 29, 2008

Sarah Palin on teaching Creationism:

From this (via this via this):
'Creation science' enters the race

GOVERNOR: Palin is only candidate to suggest it should be discussed in schools.

By TOM KIZZIA
Anchorage Daily News

Published: October 27, 2006
Last Modified: October 30, 2006 at 09:40 AM

The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms.

Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both." ...

In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:

"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.

Posted by DAWUSS in reply to snoopy

Wouldn't it simply bring balance to the development of the universe debate? Like a "Fairness Doctrine" for education?

Posted by ukobserver in reply to DAWUSS

Ya see, this is where you lose people. You post some thing which can actually be classed as humourous and to the point of the thread, then you post something that makes you seem like a dick!! Dude, ya gotta choose one or the other, just for consistancy!!

Posted by Craig in reply to DAWUSS

Should we also teach all of these creation myths in biology and physics classes? They bring alot to the development of the universe debate. So does the study of art, philosophy, and on and on.

No, we should limit science classes to teaching science.

Posted by Kyle_Broflovski in reply to Craig

YES

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to Craig

Craig, please remove your link to that inaccurate website. It has Genesis, the One True Origin Document, listed right along with all of the laughably false origin myths.

Posted by carlileb5935 in reply to DAWUSS

Wouldn't it simply bring balance to the development of the universe debate? Like a "Fairness Doctrine" for education?

Sure, but it ain't science. So don't teach it that way-- which is what they want. 

Posted by DAWUSS in reply to carlileb5935

OK, so have it be in another required class then. And have it be from a nondenominational perspective as to avoid establishment of religion.

Posted by eweston8542983

Also availible.

Posted by zamfir273114

Am I a bad person that thinks anyone that sends their son to Iraq is an idiot? Sorry, that's how I feel.

Posted by worrierking in reply to zamfir273114

I don't share that feeling, but I do think that those who send other peoples sons are scumbags.

Posted by Craig

A non-denominational creationism class? I'd like to see that curriculum.