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Mitchell falsely claimed McCain has not set a "threshold" for his VP to be "ready to step in on a moment's notice"

Summary: On MSNBC, Andrea Mitchell falsely asserted that Sen. John McCain had not set a "threshold" that his vice presidential pick would be someone "ready to step in on a moment's notice." In fact, McCain has said that the "overwhelming priority" for his selection "is a person who shares my principles, my values, my priorities ... and could be -- immediately take my place."

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Posted by anotheramerican

Duh!  Palin shares McCain's principles.

 

Posted by magnolialover in reply to anotheramerican

After he changed his mind about 6 months ago.

And she's not ready, by McCain's assesment of experience, to take over for him at a moment's notice.

Don't give us this she was mayor crap either. Makes McCain look ever more the hypocrite if you ask me.

Posted by carlileb5935 in reply to magnolialover

The great thing about this choice is that it guts the repub. "experience" charge. They can't bring it up any longer.

It also allows Obama to question McCains "judgement" even more.

But, the cable networks today have been giving Palin a free pass more or less, with few opportunities being had for Dems to critique the choice. Instead, we have journalists telling us what Dems might say. 

A really insane choice. McCain obviously does not have the country's best interests at heart, and thinks Hillary's appeal was a 'gal' issue. 

Posted by magnolialover in reply to carlileb5935

But, you will have republicans saying, like AA has said on here already, that Palin DOES have more experience than Obama, because she's been a mayor (of a one horse town), and that she's been governor (in a State with 670,000 people), so she has EXECUTIVE experience. Apparently, she's a good republican, because almost as soon as she came into the governorship, she has and is being investigated for possible ethics violations. So, indeed, she does share McCain's views on that (Keating 5 anyone??).

Watch, I would not be surprised that the claim of executive experience didn't come from one of our right wing talking heads this afternoon after McCain announced his choice.

Posted by IRONY 101 in reply to magnolialover

And she's a card-carrying member of the NRA. The way Rush Limbaugh was touting this woman a few minutes ago it sounded as though he was trying to convince male yahoo Republicans that Palin was really a macho guy disguised as a pretty Republican woman. I have a feeling this is going to get funny...  ;>)

Posted by magnolialover in reply to IRONY 101

I'm a card carrying member of the NRA as well. Just saying...

Posted by magnolialover in reply to magnolialover

And of the ACLU, just thought I'd add that in as well.

Posted by IRONY 101 in reply to magnolialover

But are you pandering for votes such as John McCain is doing? Just saying...

Posted by nerzog in reply to IRONY 101

I heard part of PigBoy's show, too. He was practically orgasmic. Sounded somewhat phony to me..... of course, EVERYTHING he says sounds phony...

Posted by wookie in reply to nerzog

I can't see where they can be that happy. She has Harriet Miers written all over her.

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to wookie

Sean Hannity was gushing about her "incredible experience"

He also described Obama's speech as "dull". "lifeless" and "bitter".

Posted by pointofview in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

seems like he is correct on both points.

Posted by friedbergboy1422 in reply to pointofview

Hilarious, POV, hilarious. 

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to pointofview

Well, there's all the confirmation I need to know that there really are stupid opinions out there...

Posted by bkboase3653 in reply to IRONY 101

Didn't Rush call Obama and Hillary the "Affirmative Action" candidates a while ago? So..........naw. I'm sure in his pae-brain there is no comparison

Posted by see it real in reply to IRONY 101

Add to that, Palin is also a homophobe, and Palin is also a racist.  She hates gays, and she hats blacks.

Meaning that Palin wans to make gays sixth class citizens before seeking their total extermination from the U.S. society, and Palin also favors repealing all the civil rights laws, and Palin also favors the reinstatement or rebuilding of racial segregation.

Posted by unitarianpatriot in reply to IRONY 101

Uh, it's of course possible that macho guys disguised as women are the category that most excites Mr. Limbaugh.

Posted by carlileb5935 in reply to magnolialover

All we're seeing right now on TV is right wingers. Few Dems have been offered the chance to critique this choice so far. If word is allowed to get out, most people will see this as being a really disastrous, cynical, stupid choice.

Posted by friedbergboy1422 in reply to carlileb5935

Carl,

She's also a celeb:

http://dwb.adn.com/news/alaska/story/9518196p-9428795c.html

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to friedbergboy1422

 Am I dreaming right now? They're pushing the Palin pick as a magic wand to  lower gas prices. Isn't anybody stoopid enough to swallow this already registered republican? I already figured the Goopers will manage to drop gas prices a little just before the election, but if they're trying to tie it together with the VP, they're really trying to get the drooler vote out.

Posted by tommy in reply to anotheramerican

AA, I wonder what Karl Rove will have to say about Palin after he said this on Face the Nation earlier this month; 

"With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years.  He's been able but undistinguished. I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done ... [Kaine] was mayor of the 105th largest city in America. And again, with all due respect to Richmond, Virginia, it's smaller than Chula Vista, California; Aurora, Colorado; Mesa, or Gilbert, Arizona; North Las Vegas, or Henderson, Nevada. It's not a big town."

I am sure O'Reilly or Hannity will ask him.....  :) 

Posted by HughG in reply to anotheramerican

That ain't the point, Double-A.

Reasonable people can disagree about Palin's credentials or lack thereof. The point, duh, is that Andrea Mitchell was pretending that Palin's resume weren't very relevant, because McCain hadn't set a high standard for his VP pick.

Mitchell was wrong. I won't accuse her of deliberately carrying McCain's water here, but it's clear that she hadn't done her homework. It was misinformation which served the conservative purpose.

That's why it was posted here, duh. 

Posted by see it real in reply to HughG

Hughg, I agree with 96% of your post, except in one area.

Republican Hate Hag Lia Andrea Mitchell IS carrying Liar McCain's water, and one reason for that is that Mitchel is herself a right wing Republican, and Mitchell wants Liar McCain to get elected.

Posted by qwerty in reply to anotheramerican

What a foolish choice by McCain! Palin has more executive experience than Biden, McCain or Obama. All she is going to do is energize the Republican base and collect all the moderate and independent womens' votes. By highlighting Palin's thin resume for veep, the dems magnify Obama's void resume for president. By accusing McCain of pandering to women, the dems admit that Obama is the candidate of race. What a foolish choice!

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to

Hahaha.. Best line so far!

Posted by DAWUSS in reply to

Only if it involved a national scandal. Then we can hear the right-wingers try to backpedal on things they said during the late '90s...

Posted by magnolialover in reply to DAWUSS

Umm, they already had to. Let's remember Newt Gingrich, exhibit 1.

Posted by DAWUSS in reply to magnolialover

Ah, but Newt was never President ;)

Posted by commonsenseliberal in reply to DAWUSS

Gingrich was never a President, but always a lying hypocrite.

Fox News says Palin has foreign policy experience because (and I couldn't make this up) "Alaska is next-door to Russia."

Cross my heart.

Posted by failedbelle in reply to Easy to refute wingnuts

You've got to admit.  It was a very clever move. 

Posted by magnolialover in reply to failedbelle

What was clever? That they apparently think that most Americans are too stupid to figure this out?

Posted by failedbelle in reply to magnolialover

Many of the Hillary Democrats were already considering McCain.  The Dem's have done it again.  They are the ones that should have made such a bold move such as maybe..... putting Hillary on the ticket.

Posted by magnolialover in reply to failedbelle

Because Palin has NOTHING in common with women who wanted to vote for and did vote for Hillary? Yeah, brilliant move.

Posted by failedbelle in reply to magnolialover

Brilliant.  Yeah, that is a better word.  What Democrat could have resisted voting for the first African American President with a woman for his VP.  Now he just looks like many other men acting like men have for ages, by passing over a woman that would have been better for the job, for a man. 

Posted by magnolialover in reply to failedbelle

You fail to see the differences between Palin and Clinton, that's fine. Embrace your ignorance.

Posted by failedbelle in reply to magnolialover

I see the difference.  The ignorance was on the part of Obama. 

Posted by Kyle_Broflovski in reply to failedbelle

I guess, then, we know why you have 'failed' in your handle.

FAIL

Posted by failedbelle in reply to Kyle_Broflovski

Ooh, ouch, that hurt.  You really got me with that one. Whew!!

 Why don't you put your anger where it should be, with Obama.  This is the Dem's election to lose and we might have done it again.

Posted by foghornleghorn in reply to failedbelle

Let's be logical here.  There is NO way Obama was going to have Bubba looking over his shoulder.  NO WAY!  So you can take you whiney "the Dem's blew it" line and toss it where it belongs - filed under "G" for garbage.

Posted by commonsenseliberal in reply to failedbelle

At least Obama knows where his weakness lies, and that's with foreign policy.  He put someone on the ticket with immense foreign policy experience.  Foreign policy is a biggie this time around.

By asking Biden to be VP, Obama has shored up his weaknesses.  Hillary, as great as she is (screw you, I like her), would not have been the best pick.  Those of you stating that Obama should have asked her to be VP to get the female vote is just the same sexism in McCain asking Palin to be VP.  She has very, very little experience.  She seems like a nice enough woman, but we don't need nice enough in the White House, a heart beat from the presidency.  We need strong leadership.  McCain/Palin offer none of that.  Obama and Biden offer that - and more.

Posted by see it real in reply to failedbelle

No, the ignorance is on YOUR part.  Liar McCain andte Republicans are insulting all women in America by making them think that if he puts a woman on the ticket who is just as or MORE against women's issues than he is (Palin opposes equal pay laws, Palin opposes a woman's right to hoose), and people like you confirm his ignorance when you decide to place your spiteful sour grapes and/or possible racism ahead of not just your own self-interest, but that Palin is 1000% antithetical to, meaning hat she is 1000% OPPOSED to, each and every position on the issues that Hillary has, and that you claim to have. I should let you know that Randi Rhodes, Stephanie Miller, among other progressive women, are already coming out 100% AGAINST Palin, as has Debbie-Wasserman Schultz, and Schultz herself said that McCain insulted her and many other women by thinking that women will vote for him simply because his running mate has the same body parts that she and other women have.  Schultz's words, not mine, so take your compalints up with her.

If Liar McCain had chosen an anti-civil rights/pro-segregationist black conservative (male or female) as his running mate to pander to blacks, it would be just as insulting to think that African-Americans would support an anti-civil rights/pro-segregation black conservative Repblican simply because that segregationist conservative is also African-American, and that African-Americans would then all vote for Liar McCain just because he puts a black on the ticket, even though that black man or black woman has positions in opposition to most blacks.  If you're asking, in my opinion, Sarah Palin is a right wing racist, Sarah Palin favors the repeal of both the 1964 Civil Rights Act an the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and Sarah Palin favors reinstating or rebuilding Plessy vs. Fergusen. 

Same is true with Palin.  McCain is insulting all women by selecting an anti-woman's issues right wing female hate hag conservative as his running mate, and beliving that women will disregard the fact that Palin OPPOSES each and every women's rights issue.  If you can't see that fact, you and the rest of the PUMA's are even MORE unqualified to vote for the candidates for the office of president and/or all other elective offices than hate hag Palin is to be vice-president.

Posted by friedbergboy1422 in reply to failedbelle

So, FailedBelle, what policies do Hillary and Pallin have in common?  I know they both have lady parts in common, but what politically do they agree on?

Posted by failedbelle in reply to friedbergboy1422

Lady parts might just be enough.  As I said many were already leaning toward McCain.  I think these women feel snubbed.  It's time for a woman and many of us are tired of waiting.  Thanks to Obama we will probably have to put up with 4 more years.  But it can't be as bad as the last 8.

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to failedbelle

Please back up your BS.

Posted by failedbelle in reply to RABBITLUVR

I would be glad to if you would kindly tell me how to back up an opinion. 

Posted by Handsome Pete in reply to failedbelle

How about you share what your opinion is based on?

Posted by failedbelle in reply to Handsome Pete

My opinion, like anyone's, is based on my life experiences, my interaction with others, my intelligence, my research etc.  On what do you base your opinions? 

Just because you don't like my opinion doesn't mean I have to justify it. 

Posted by Handsome Pete in reply to failedbelle

How about specific to this case?

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to failedbelle

You just said that many female Hillary supporters were already leaning for McCain. What does your 'life experience', blah blah blah, have to do with that statement... whoops, your 'opinion'? Yeah, an 'opinion' that you stated as a fact.

Posted by failedbelle in reply to RABBITLUVR

Perhaps the only disturbing news for Obama in the survey is that most Clinton voters (56%) say they are not likely to vote for the Illinois Senator in the general election against John McCain. A month ago, 45% of Clinton voters said they were not likely to vote for Obama against McCain.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/north_carolina/north_c arolina_democratic_primary

from

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/5/105810/9153

It's only going to take a few states like this to turn the election in McCain's favor.  I'm not going to do any more research for you.  How about you just google "Hillary supporters for McCain.

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to failedbelle

You're laughable. You link a poll from April???

How about finding something more recent... like a poll taken AFTER the DNC... AFTER Hillary cast her lot with Obama? Can you do that?

Posted by failedbelle in reply to RABBITLUVR

I might be laughable but who's laughing now?  I think it the old dude. 

Rabit do you even read or know how to use a computer.  Just do a little research if you want to dispute my opinion.  I don't have certify my opinion for you. 

Sorry your guy was so stupid.  It hurts doesn't it.

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to failedbelle

You MUST be a Righty plant. Sorry, you don't fool me or anyone else here. Go back to listening to Rush or Sean or whoever or go find some toes to suck on, k?

You link a five-month old poll that has ZERO relevance to what is going on NOW as 'evidence' and you try to call yours truly out? Whatever... buh-bye. :)

Posted by failedbelle in reply to RABBITLUVR

Since I know where your anger is really coming from, I can look past your comments. 

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to failedbelle

No anger from this lib. I'm all smiles today because your candidate and his idiot VP pick are going down in flames come November.

Have a nice day. :)

Posted by pointofview in reply to failedbelle

You have presented your views, your reason, and research.  Please dont think that no matter how much reason or logic you give most of the lefties here, that they will ever say something as simple as "good point", or "that could be".  They will lose their place in the radical looney left for something like that. 

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to pointofview

POV, how about instead of crying to  other posters that nobody ever tosses you a "thumbs up", you do something to earn one. Like, for example, post a comment that isn't a bunch of whining about nobody loving you.

Posted by pointofview in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

Col

Congrats.  You made an entire post with mocking the toture McCain went through as a POW.  I am impressed.  You have been so low class lately, I did not think you could do it. 

Posted by BlagoBoy in reply to pointofview

I was confident he could do it.  He is the very definition of low class

Posted by mescal in reply to BlagoBoy

... said the very definition of low intellect.

Posted by magnolialover in reply to pointofview

Except for the fact he was using polling numbers from April. Polling numbers change daily, and the numbers from April don't reflect what's happening now. At all. Hence, his opinion, as much as he's entitled to it, is based in factual inaccuracies.

Posted by wesley in reply to failedbelle

 -- My opinion, like anyone's, is based on my life experiences... --failedbelle

Belle...it's a tough crowd around here...they'll even resort to eating their own if they're perceived to stray one tiny step from the liberal lockstep mantra.

Since you're a Hillary supporter...I'd guess we don't agree on a lot of the issues...que sera sera...you're entitled to your own opinion. That's one of the reasons why this is a "comments" section...not a chat room.

 

Posted by failedbelle in reply to wesley

Thanks Wesley, I've ventured in a few times before when I have had time so I knew what I was getting into.  The only thing that bothers me about this is the intolerance from the supposed party of tolerance. 

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to failedbelle

Well, take yourself over to redstate then if this place is too much for you... I'm sure you will find plenty of fellow deluded souls to play with over there.

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to RABBITLUVR

Rabbit,

Your argument is that others are intolerant so it is okay for you to also be intolerant. Uh.. okay.

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to anotheramerican

If the troll cannot handle lib opinions, which apparently she really cannot, then I am offering her an alternative.

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to RABBITLUVR

So lib opinions include intolerance? 

(It might just be easier to apologize rather than defend being intolerant.)

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to anotheramerican

Apologize for what? I didn't come on here and link a five month old poll and use that as evidence for a ridiculous argument and then proceed to call others here 'angry' when she was challenged.

Sorry, AA, won't happen. Failed-Belle is a troll and she was called out. Tough you-know-what.

Posted by Kyle_Broflovski in reply to anotheramerican

Alright you guys, stop it.

Intolerance will NOT BE TOLERATED around here!

Posted by pointofview in reply to failedbelle

failedbelle

The party of tolerance offers none of it here.  You rasied some great points, but they will never ever admit it.  I heard many women today who were very excited about McCain's pick.  Will it change anything, i dont know.  But your points were interesting and worth discussing.  What you will not find here from most of the radicals is any tolerance. 

Posted by HughG in reply to pointofview

PoV,

The "intolerance" you cite is mostly for Belle's posting of opinions without much in the way of facts to back them up. Finally, she posted a link to a poll, which is a step in the right direction, but it's an old poll--and therefore of little value. And then she told the liberal who was challenging her to do his own research. That's the last refuge of the lazy internet debater.

I gave a quick look for a poll of Hillary supporters, but couldn't find one. All I found was a recent USA Today poll, which was interpreted by a third party as saying that 50% of Hillary supporters weren't yet sold on Obama. But that's so loose that it's tough to interpret as saying that them's PUMAs ripe for the picking by McCain. More to the point, it was pre-DNC. So Hillary's stirring speech and actions weren't considered.

But...what the WTF. Ain't no poll of no use anyhoo, right now. Only after Sept. 5--after both conventions--will polls have very much meaning.

It's gonna be one fun rollercoaster until then...and maybe afterwards!

Posted by friedbergboy1422 in reply to failedbelle

Failed,

I am just curious as to what positions you think Hillary and McCain/Palin  share that would convince her supporters to jump ship.

Posted by pointofview in reply to friedbergboy1422

Fried

I think you are missing the point.  It is not how many positions they share, it may well be how many women feel so slighted, and are so angry, that will vote to finally see a woman as VP.

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to pointofview

That's the HOPE of the McCain campaign. Yeah, it's all about winning at any cost. And as usual, nothing about the issues.

Cannot get any more cynical than that.

Posted by commonsenseliberal in reply to RABBITLUVR

Of course the Repubs have to frame this election around anger and fear.  They have nothing to offer except the same crap we've had to go through for the last eight years. 

Boo hoo for the righties.  If you actually had some ideas, you might have had a chance...

Posted by friedbergboy1422 in reply to pointofview

POV,

"It is not how many positions they share, it may well be how many women feel so slighted, and are so angry, that will vote to finally see a woman as VP."

Do you really think that there are a lot of Hillary supports who will abandon the principles they stand for just to see a woman become vice president?  If so, aren't you selling them short?

I can't think of one policy view that Hillary and McCain share.  Frankly, I think its insulting to think that women will automatically follow a woman because they are both women, don't you?

Posted by pointofview in reply to friedbergboy1422

Fried.

I think that it is easy to feel that way as a white male, having always had a president and a vice president who were the same.  Dont you honestly believe that a percentage.....I dont know how big.....but a percentage of African Americans who registered to vote for this election did so only becasue BO is and African American?  Will that make him win....I dont know.  I know there will be women on the fence who will go to McCain because ...and only because he picked a woman. 

Posted by friedbergboy1422 in reply to pointofview

POV,

I don't doubt that a few might see it that way and vote McCain (like maybe 1-2%), but I think your African-American example is a little different.  Since 1964, Dems have done very well with African-American voters.  Now maybe Obama inspired some to register and vote, but the numbers are still pretty consistent as to a voting pattern for their demographic based on the perception of the Democratic Party by African Americans.

Women who supported Hillary, in my view, go against everything Hillary has ever fought for by voting for McCain.

Posted by see it real in reply to pointofview

Having a right wing hate hag woman like Sarah Palin who is just as against women's issues than Liar McCain is, or MORE against women's issues than Liar McCain and other right wing male Republicans are, is NOT progress, it's regression.

It's no different than having an anti-civil rights/pro-segregation right wing black consevrative on the Supreme Court who is just as or MORE pro-segregation than white conservative are.

Posted by friedbergboy1422 in reply to pointofview

POV,

By the logic I think I am sensing from you, would Condi Rice have been the best choice for McCain?  After all, she is an African-American and a woman.  Would she have negated every advantage the Dems had by that logic?

Posted by mescal in reply to failedbelle

"The only thing that bothers me about this is the intolerance from the supposed party of tolerance." - Faildbelle

You realize that your reliance on this sort of wingnut phrasing is tantamount to a confession that you're a concern troll and a Republican plant, don't you?

Better luck with your next screen name.

 

Posted by Preston_P in reply to failedbelle

Oh please, no matter what, Obama would've been criticized. Had he picked Hillary Clinton as his VP, folks would criticized him that having her along would revitalize the Republican base, causing the Democrats to lose the ticket. Some would've argued that America couldn't swallow an African-American president AND a female vice president -- that's TOO MUCH change! Many would accuse him for being insecure so picking Hillary was a sure bet for him to win the White House, with the Clinton Machine backing him. 

I don't think this was a smart move by McCain. It's a big gamble. I just don't think it will sway a lot of Clinton supporters to his camp. Had Hillary Clinton won the nomination and decided not to put Obama as her VP, and McCain added Condi Rice to his ticket, I can assure you that blacks would not be persauded to vote for Republican in large numbers.

Posted by failedbelle in reply to Preston_P

Face it!!  We're screwed!!

Posted by nerzog in reply to failedbelle

You may be right. If so, I hope the Hillary fanatics enjoy their little tantrum. Two years into a McGrampy administration, after he appoints another Troglodyte to the Supreme court, let us know if it was worth it.

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to

Rabbit,

Unwittingly, you just argued against your candidate.

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to anotheramerican

Joe Biden is a 'trophy pick'? Put away the booze, dude.

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to RABBITLUVR

You misunderstood.

Trophy POTUS with almost zero experience simply do not cut the mustard.

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to anotheramerican

A Trophy POTUS with almost zero experience simply do not cut the mustard.

(sorry for the minuscule font. I cut and pasted the sentence.)

 

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to anotheramerican

Sorry, nice try, but Obama has more experience... not just political, btw... than Palin.

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to RABBITLUVR

Please provide examples.

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to anotheramerican

Let's just start out with these...

Obama - Graduate of Harvard Law School, President of Harvard Law Review, Community Organizer in Chicago, Illinois State Senator, United States Senator, Currently being smeared for debunked charges relating to a house deal and associations with William Ayers - when Obama was EIGHT years old.

Palin - Graduated from UID with BA in Journalism, Mayor of 8,000 population Wasilla, Alaska, Governor of Alaska - 2 years, Appeared in Vogue Magazine, Placed 2nd in Miss Alaska beauty pageant in 1984, Currently involved in scandal involving the sacking of PSC Walt Monegan, does not seem to know what the function of the VP's office is.

Now you tell me which resume is more impressive...

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to RABBITLUVR

Basically you are saying Obama went to Harvard and is a Senator.

Pretty thin. What has he accomplished in any of his positions that is noteworthy? 

Palin went to Idaho St., was a mayor, and now is a Governor. Unless one feels one should be President based on the college on attended, I think Palin has Obama beat in the accomplishment area.

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to anotheramerican

Oh okay, so you're saying that Idaho State trumps Harvard Law School, being a Mayor trumps being a State Senator, and being a Governor trumps being a United States Senator. Yep, got it.

You're insane. Just like your party.

Posted by pointofview in reply to RABBITLUVR

Rabbit

I love how you twist it.  Anythig about Obama is a smear and an attack.  Against Palin you believe it to be fact.  You are such a hack, it is un real

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to pointofview

Nothing's been twisted, POV. Sorry. Try again.

Posted by foghornleghorn in reply to anotheramerican

Hey AA - here's something to ponder - experience doesn't = competence.  Get it.  Obama's competent.  Gramps isn't.  That's the choice.  If you prefer a bumbling old fogey as president, then I feel sorry for you : )

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to foghornleghorn

Competence doesn't count with the wingnuts. That is an alien concept to that bunch. The last eight years have been nothing but incompetence. "Heckuva job, DROWNIE!"

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to foghornleghorn

You have nothing to offer to show Obama's competence either legislatively or his private life after law school.

McCain has years of successfully passed legislation to show his.

I can't believe you set yourself up to be shot down so easily. Oh wait. Yes I can. :-)

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to anotheramerican

Real slick there, AA. Thought we were talking about Palin... what's the matter, she failed the AA smell test already? Damn...

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to RABBITLUVR

Rabbit,

Again you are mistaken. Follow the thread. This particular discussion started off when someone above argued that Obama was competent and McCain was a bumbling old fool. 

Don't worry. It happens to the best of us. :-)

Posted by foghornleghorn in reply to anotheramerican

Courtesy of Rabbit:

Obama - Graduate of Harvard Law School, President of Harvard Law Review, Community Organizer in Chicago, Illinois State Senator, United States Senator.  And I'll add he's not beholden to lobbyists.

Vs. Gramps who is in bed with the lobbyists, has Phil Graham as his economic advisor (same guy who aided Enron and the mortgage meltdown), doesn't know that Czechoslovakia doesn't exist anymore and thinks Iraq is safe when he goes shopping for prunes in a Baghdad market protected by a brigade of marines w/helicopters.

Gramps' flip-flops on every issue shows he can't be trusted.  And his choice for VP does nothing but show that he, and not Obama, will pander to any group in order to win.

Posted by friedbergboy1422 in reply to anotheramerican

Which legislation, AA, that McCain has passed recently does he still stand behind?  Immigration?  Campaign Finance reform?

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to friedbergboy1422

Fried,

That is a different topic than the discussion, but you make a good point.

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to anotheramerican

Picking nits now...

Posted by friedbergboy1422 in reply to anotheramerican

So, passing legislation that

Posted by friedbergboy1422 in reply to anotheramerican

So, passing legislation that one

Posted by friedbergboy1422 in reply to anotheramerican

Sorry for the multiple posts.  Are you really saying that McCain doesn't need to stand behind what he authored?!  Passing legislation that he doesn't believe in is an accomplishment these days, eh?  If he no longer believes in what he put forth, what has he accomplished?

Posted by see it real in reply to anotheramerican

"McCain has years of successfully passed legislation to show his."

Those years include Liar McCain writing an immigration bill, and then voting AGAINST the very same bill he wrote?  I think that's called flip-flopping and/or lying, so McCain is bascially a liar.  Why do you support McCain's blatant lying? 

Posted by BlagoBoy in reply to foghornleghorn

"Bumbling old fogey"

the only bumbler in this race is St. Barack Obama who -- unless he reads a teleprompter like last night -- can;t get THREE words out of his mouth without stuttering and stumbler and saying  "ah..um..y'know"   He's a moron

Posted by mescal in reply to BlagoBoy

What you're describing is McSame when he IS reading from a teleprompter. You're supporting a guy who finished fifth from the BOTTOM of his class at the Naval Academy, while Obama was an academic superstar, and is also a law proffessor.

The only thing that you got right in your post was when you signed it as Moron. 

Posted by pointofview in reply to RABBITLUVR

Rabbit

Dont forget....Obama is a community organizer.  That alone is enough to run the free world. 

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to pointofview

Yeah. And John McCain was a POW. A Vietnam War survivor. That's it. That's all he has.

Being an ex-POW will not help to turn this country around, to undo the horrendous damage that your buddy W has wreaked upon this country.

Posted by foghornleghorn in reply to pointofview

I'm not sure if you come from a large metropolitan area, but being a community organizer is a way for minorities to get a foothold on a political career because they usually do not have the financial means to run campaigns.

So your criticism of Obama in this instance is greatly misplaced.  How about this - let's rate the candidates on their ideas for once and not on stereotypes or LIES.  Obama wins hands down when you do it the right way.

Posted by friedbergboy1422 in reply to pointofview

Hilarious, POV.  How can someone be both an elitist and a community organizer?

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to anotheramerican

Repost that please.

Posted by pearlene_scott1602 in reply to failedbelle

Face it!!  We're screwed!!

LOL

Actually, YOU'RE SCREWED!

I'm going to work my butt off to get Obama elected because I'm smart enough to know that no one with a brain wants another 4 years of McBush.

You may sit in the corner and be screwed, you sound like you need it.

Posted by failedbelle in reply to pearlene_scott1602

It must make Mr Obama proud to know that he has such a "lady" on his team. 

Posted by pearlene_scott1602 in reply to failedbelle

Mr Obama

Brain work again. It's SENATOR OBAMA!

Posted by pointofview in reply to failedbelle

Mr. Obama is proud to know he has Pearl and all in AARP kniitng club behind him. 

Posted by pearlene_scott1602 in reply to pointofview

Mr. Obama is proud to know he has Pearl and all in AARP kniitng club behind him. 

LOL

POV, still having a temper tantrum? 

Just so you know, this is how you spell KNITTING. Twice you've tried to insult me and couldn't spell.

Tell your sitter it's time to change your bib, it's wet from all your drooling.

 

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to pearlene_scott1602

Pearlene,

I never thought I'd see you stoop to that level. 

Posted by pearlene_scott1602 in reply to anotheramerican

I never thought I'd see you stoop to that level. 

AA, I will do EVERYTHING in my power to make sure our next President isn't a Republican!

Now if it that offends your sensitive feelings, you need to get over it!

 

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to pearlene_scott1602

Wow, the wingnuts really are out in force today. They MUST be frightened.

Posted by nerzog in reply to RABBITLUVR

I think Karl Rove sent out a mass e-mail, urging them to go out and pretend to be excited about whatsherface.

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to pearlene_scott1602

Pearlene,

I think you exuberance is actually working against you. Insulting those with whom you disagree seldom convinces them of your position.  We are simply discussing Obama and Palin and McCain, (where's Joe?) and have differences of opinion.

Posted by BottleBlonde in reply to RABBITLUVR

Did you see how many posts in this thread talking about anything but the topic?

They always flood the threads they find the most threatening!

Oh, and the new poster? Science101.

Posted by pearlene_scott1602 in reply to anotheramerican

I think you exuberance is actually working against you. Insulting those with whom you disagree seldom convinces them of your position.  We are simply discussing Obama and Palin and McCain, (where's Joe?) and have differences of opinion.

AA, I'm insulted by those who make stupid remarks like "lady parts may be enough" and I have no problem saying it. 

And WHO made to the monitor?

If people don't like what I have to say, they don't have to respond, And that includes YOU.

 

Posted by pointofview in reply to Preston_P

Preston

You may be right in everything you say.  I am just not sure that it takes "large numbers" of women....or African Americans in the Obama/Rice example you gave to turn the election.  A simple change in one or two states may do it. 

Posted by commonsenseliberal in reply to Preston_P

I think female voters, especially pro-choice female voters, will vote for Obama.  Gov. Palin seems nice, but nobody knows anything about her, she has little experience, she's a fundie (Assemblies of God) and pro-forced birth (i.e. against abortion - sorry, I refuse to use the word 'pro-life' when describing the anti-abortion crowd).  Pro-choice women and pro-choice republicans all over the country should see this as a warning sign.

IMHO, McCain made a bad decision by picking Palin, which will cost him the White House.  And thank G-d he made that bad decision now, instead of later, possibly as president.

Posted by see it real in reply to Preston_P

"I don't think this was a smart move by McCain. It's a big gamble. I just don't think it will sway a lot of Clinton supporters to his camp. Had Hillary Clinton won the nomination and decided not to put Obama as her VP, and McCain added Condi Rice to his ticket, I can assure you that blacks would not be persauded to vote for Republican in large numbers."

Preston, you called it exactly right!  McCain has INSULTED women, as Rep. Debbie Wasseran-Schultz of Florida said today.

Mentioning the Rice as VP example, had Liar McCain picked Rice if Hillary were the candidate after turning down Obama, most African-Americans would have voted in LARGER numbers AGAINST McCain, since Rice is seen by most African-Americans as a war criminal, and because Rice had denounced MLK and other civil rights leaders as "troublemakers who upset the good white people of the South", and that Rice is pro-segregation and pro-Plessy, among other indictments. 

Posted by pearlene_scott1602 in reply to failedbelle

Lady parts might just be enough. 

Only a Republican male or a moron would think that "lady parts" would be enough!

 

Posted by failedbelle in reply to pearlene_scott1602

Sorry that you have to be so wrong.  I'm neither.  And since you're wrong, what does that make you?

Posted by pearlene_scott1602 in reply to failedbelle

Sorry that you have to be so wrong.  I'm neither.  And since you're wrong, what does that make you?

A fool for wasting my time with a moron. Bye Bye!

Posted by failedbelle in reply to pearlene_scott1602

Not a fool for wasting your time with me but a fool for acting like a fool.  Anyone that can't control their anger posting on a blog surely acts this way at home and in public.  I'll consider the source.

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to failedbelle

Point out the 'anger' that is being directed at you, troll. Or are you equating 'anger' with facts and logical arguments?

Posted by pointofview in reply to pearlene_scott1602

Pearl

I can only hope......perhaps even the audacity of hope, that when you call a poster a name and say bye bye that you mean it.  Perhaps you will leave and never come back.  And please dont mention your 80 year old butt again.  The thought of you working that thing off made me miss out on a good meal tonight.

Posted by pearlene_scott1602 in reply to pointofview

And please dont mention your 80 year old butt again.  The thought of you working that thing off made me miss out on a good meal tonight.

LOL

POV, didn't your momma teach you any manners? Oh, sorry I forgot about your momma.

Posted by pointofview in reply to pearlene_scott1602

Well, I lost that one.

You broke your promise...you are back again.  Your 80 year old butt still haunts me and will probably ruin breakfast as well.  Where are the rolaids when I REALLY need them.

Posted by pearlene_scott1602 in reply to pointofview

Well, I lost that one. You broke your promise...you are back again.  Your 80 year old butt still haunts me and will probably ruin breakfast as well.  Where are the rolaids when I REALLY need them.

Nah, once again,you can't read.

I said bye to failledbelle, YOU I like.

The thought of you tossing your breakfast, lunch or dinner thrills me to no end. 

Posted by pointofview in reply to pearlene_scott1602

LOL....just dont expect the spelling to ever improve

Posted by pearlene_scott1602 in reply to pointofview

POV, don't think I'm ignoring you but it's Friday. It's time for this nursing home, AARP old lad