Ahhhh,, harrumph...well, uhh, this is......

Lighten up MMFA. 

Oh yeah, that's right... justa joke.

Got it.

And if the tables were turned...

And if the tables were turned...

What exactly does that mean? Are you saying if the US Gymnastic Olympic team tried to pass off underage kids as 16 that no one could poke fun?

This song is making fun of the Chinese attempting to present underage kids as 16 year olds. What exactly do you find so offensive?

Too Young? Ever hear of Egg Foo Yong? Baby Fat? Ever watch Hawaii 5-0? Remember Wo Fat? It's probably just a play on those "names".

And the East Germans did try to pass off men as women [remember their state sponsored doping program] back during the Cold War era. And they did look more like men than women.

Please tell me why you find this song so offensive? If I'm missing something, I'm willing to hear what it is.

 

It's not that it's offensive (even though it is), it's that it's not funny.

Exactly.

Jeter seems to think that if someone doesn't find a 'joke' funny then that person must be 'offended'.

For the record... I am not Chinese or Asian for that matter. I have no stake in this whatsoever. It just wasn't funny. It was dumb... along the lines of any so-called 'humor' uttered by rightwingers.

Rabbit you wrote:

 

Oh yeah, that's right... justa joke.

Got it.

And if the tables were turned...

If you weren't offended [because it sounded like you were by what you wrote] then what was your point? What do you mean about tables being turned? If the joke didn't tickle your funny bone, then why not just say so.

I already said the 'joke' wasn't funny. As far as the 'tables are turned' comment, see Deez's post and my response to it.

I know Rabbit, my point was why not just say the joke isn't funny, instead of asking : what if the tables were turned?  You obviously found it offensive, my question is why?

That's your interpretation... you are flat-out wrong. Sorry.

I thought is was spelled "Baby Phat".

Jeter,

It's offensive because The O'Reilly Factor is supposed to be looking out for me.  They failed to look out for me here.  I feel swindled.

It's not that it's offensive (even though it is), it's that it's not funny.

Mag,

 

It wasn't roll on the floor laughing funny, but it wasn't unfunny. And please tell me why you think it's offensive, because I just don't see it that way.

I just thought that it was offensive to Chinese people in general mostly because it plays to long dispelled stereotypes. That's all. I still don't even think it was funny, not even a small chuckle. And again, I'm not easily offended, it is just that if I'm going to be offended, I want to get a laugh out of it is all.

It's offensive to fans of clever, unpredictable comedy.

Put it this way...

If a Chinese journalist went on TV and said something like "I'm surprised Americans can run or swim or do anything physical since they're all so overweight and unhealthy," would that be OK?

Frankly, I'm not remotely surprised this happened on O'Reilly.

The rightwing would be outraged. I can hear it now...

'Oh, how DARE those ****** attack US red-blooded Americans!'

Well Deez, too many Americans are overweight, which is unhealthy, so no I wouldn't care if someone, Chinese or whomever pointed that out. Nor would I care if they did a parody about it.

I could care less, my skin isn't quite that thin, nor are my sensibilities so easily offended by something so utterly harmless and silly.  

Well, then you have thicker skin than those lonny talkers on your side. I mean... they go nuts over the slightest 'anti-American' slur - real or imagined.

Rabbit,

Like finding yourself in quicksand, the more you defend a toss away line like you gave above, the more you sink. 

Projecting again, AA? The same could be said about pretty much every one of your posts ... :)

Listen, dummy, the only people in the quicksand right now are McCain and his idiot supporters, including you. Christ, the man cannot even air a SINGLE ad promoting HIS agenda! Nope... just nothing but ads attacking Obama/Biden and now... scummy as it is... using Hillary to troll for votes. Can we say desperate?

Your man and your side have NOTHING. NOTHING to offer this country. All you can do is scrape the bottom of the barrel. That's it.

Now pull yourself out of that one.

The phrase you're looking for is "I couldn't care less..."

No, it's "I could care less", but I don't.

So why then do you care about this posted item?

Actually, it's "couldn't". Why?

If you "could" care less, that means you actually have space left to "care" about whatever it is you're talking about.

If you "couldn't" care less, that means you have no space left to care about whatever it is you're talking about.

Sorry, it's one of my pet peeves that people get wrong all of the time.

Prediction: Tommy will disagree.

And how do you know how much "space" I have left to care about this?  I was correct the first time.  If you couldn't care less, it's all good...

(I can't believe we are even arguing over this) 

Right, So why do you care about this posted item?

Agreed: the phrase is, "I couldn't care less".  It's a pet peeve of mine too, when people don't get it right.  Same with there/they're/their, your/you're and to/two/too.

Saying that you could care less means just that - you care some, but you could care even less.  It makes no sense.

 

And yes, my entire education was public.  See, it's not that bad...

Tommy: "I could care less, my skin isn't quite that thin..."

I'm not sure this has so much to do with thickness of skin as it does with color.

So.... this is rightwing humor?

Oh? I was meant to laugh?  

Guess my ass isnt tight enough to see it!

ha...... ha.......... ha

Looks like this subject is from the prelims of this week. This is an exhibition round. Lots of action will be flying around.                                I expect some posters to connect this to abortion before page 2.

Prince,

You just did. 

I guess you did also by responding...

Well, I certainly can appreciate the humor, I just expect it to be something heard on a blog or in a political cartoon, not on what was supposed to be a serious discussion about the allegations of the age of chinese gymnasts. No wonder anyone who watches Fox anything can't rise above the lowest common denominator, they have such fine examples to follow!

Fox is a BLOG.

Is that short for "Big Log", The One TRue POW?

I am not to be confused with the other POW who was known as the TORTURED POW John McCain by the jerks Quinn and Rose this morning...It was always the "Tortured" POW.

Sorry, off topic.....but you will hear it more as the days go by...

A descriptive adjective and then a POW

This was on Westwood One , not FOX.

If FNC  is a blog, that would make MMFA a BOG.. lots of swamp, plenty of stink...

 

You and your drivel are what's stinking up the site presently...

*sniff*sniff*

Who stepped in MISSDEE?

Sorry, I did.  I got her all over my shoes.

 

Shouldn't you be out calling Cindy the drug queen to find out why she publically claims she's an only sister while her two sisters live at near poverty in the good ol' USA, or ask her why she and Songbird only adopted a colored child for political purposes? I mean what kind of dispicable low life adopts a colored child, shows her off like she's some kind of proof that you aren't another right wing racist, and then create a will that leaves that adopted child hardly anything compared to McCain's siblings?

Yeah...  I get it know...

Jokes based on racial stereotypes, even fairly clumsily constructed ones = FUNNY

Jokes demonstrating conservative hypocrisy or religiuous lunacy in a satirical, witty and yet logically consiustent manner = SACRILIGE

 YOU guys on the right need to lighten up, and pick up some wit while you're at it.  You are so out of touch, that it's NOT FUNNY at all.  That you would seek to govern would be laughable if your ideas weren't so dangerous.

I don't know, Eddy. Tjis is some pretty good material, except for a couple of minor points;Don Rickles did the jokes better 40 years ago, and Mad Magazine did the song parody better 35 years ago. Other than that, top notch.

I didn't say it was funny, or fresh, or cute, or clever.  What it is is a major ridiculous WITH.

But "cha-grine"?

I realize that there are hardly ANY words rhyme with "nine" and all, but really, somebody should lose their FCC license for that one.

I agree Tommy, this is a very silly thread by MMFA.

I'm feelin' frisky!

King Glut (King Glut)
Now when he was a young man,
He never thought he’d see
A black man blocking him, from the Presi-den-cy

(King Glut) How’d you get your money?
(Lucky Glut) Was it your blond honey?
Lives in Arizona,
Lost his maverick persona (King Glut).

Drillin’ in your backyard (Oil Glut)
Playin’ the race card (Right-wing Glut)
Even Bush thinks he’s a retard (Iraqi Glut)

Now, when I’m rich,
Now don’t think I’m a nut,
Just want some fancy houses,
Like those owned by King Glut (King Glut)

He really is a Dummy,
Older than a mummy,
Lives in Arizona, lost his maverick persona,
Can’t use a cell phon-ia, his TWELVE  Condos are a boner,
King Glut!

Four Stars Snop!

I wish I could take credit for that one, but I forgot to mention that was courtesy of the satirical political report.

tommy,

I'll say it...it was falling down funny...along with being a big WITH. 

Wes, you have no wit.

Tommy - racial stereotypes are misinformation that support the conservative agenda by feeding their xenophopbia and fears of anything remotely different from themselves.  They are lies told by conservatives, to conservatives.  THAT'S why it's here.

I wish you people would stop asking WITH so often.  I've asked it myself ONCE or TWICE, but you once-or-twice-a-weekers (sometimes every day!) are the ones getting ridiculous.

I came to the conclusion long ago that the reason "why this is here" is often precisely because people like TOMMY and SUEELD would ask.

MMFA is providing a service. And it looks like some of our resident wingnuts are in dire need of that service.

Deez,

MMFA is pushing is simply pushing it's agenda undercover. When the threads don't match the "mission statement" then you see the WITH pop ups. 

But this does match their mission statement. Should we review it? Again?

What is the stereotype here?  That Chinese people are actually fat?  That "Fat" is a Chinese last name?  Or that the Chinese gymnastics team pushed underage girls into the competition?

The first I don't see at all, the second is true, and the third is a valid criticism.  I think there's too much WITH here, but this is a bad joke at worst as far as I'm seeing.

Why is this here? You're kidding, right, Tommy?

Right wing talkers are always yammering about how their critics unfairly accuse them of racism. You don't think this post might be here to document that Bill O'Reilly's radio show was given to a man who thought it would be funny to play a song that had no point other than to play on stereotypes about Chinese people?

The next time Bill O'Reilly claims that he doesn't traffic in racism and that he doesn't tolerate racism, remember how he handed his microphone over to this jackass.

Whatever, if you're offended by something as ridiculous as this, then so be it.  The truth be known, it has little to do with being offended and everything to do with gotcha nonsense against someone opposed to your political ideology.  If this is you shining example of right wing racism, then go for it.  It's silly.

Who said I was offended?

Tommy's following in Jeter's footsteps on this one, I see.

I just love how righties think they can speak for our side. I mean, just amazing that psychic ability they must possess! ;)

You were the one who accused this "jackass" of trafficking in racism, it only made sense that would offend you if you characterized it that way.

He's playing a silly song that plays on stereotypes about Chinese people. I think I can safely call him a jackass without being personally offended by what he's doing. And that's the point. Whether or not I'm offended has nothing do to with what he's doing, which is mocking an entire country for names that sound strange in English. If this were some obscure Morning Zoo radio show, it would be completely irrelevant to MMFA's work. But it's on O'Reilly's radio show, and O'Reilly argues that his critics unfairly accuse him of trafficking in racism. MMFA is documenting a case in which the host of his show played a song that had no purpose other than to mock Chinese names.

I'm not offended, and I wouldn't call this a 'shining example' of racism. But it's worth documenting an example of a flagrantly racist joke on a show that claims to have higher standards than it actually does.

Silly? You bet. And that's exactly the point, because O'Reilly and company claim to be above this sort of cheap racist humor.

I know, I know, it violates every tenet of left wing political correctness; the real time 24/7 monitoring and "gotcha", finger wagging, schoolmarm mentality that exists today. 

How did we as a country ever live without it?  

I know, I know, what a horrible world it would be if people who made racist jokes actually acknowledged that they trafficked in racist jokes.

What's so hard about acknowledging that the guest host of Bill O'Reilly's show went out of his way to mock Chinese names? It's not even very offensive -- it's just mocking Chinese names. What's so hard about recognizing that, Tommy?

You're acting as if there's some reason that one might not want to acknowledge racist jokes when people make them. Now what would that reason be?

If your subtly trying to accuse me of being a racist because my panties are not in a bunch over this harmless silly radio blather, be my guest Vy. You look foolish if that's the case.

Oh, and I couldn't care less. 

How about answering the questions asked of you for a change?

How about displaying your silly outrage to someone who's impressed.

Obviously you're 'impressed', otherwise you wouldn't be responding.

Anyway... once again, you are true to form. Dodging as always. :)

Good gravy, Tommy! I never accused you -- directly or indirectly -- of being racist, and I don't think you are racist!

And you claim that your skin isn't so thin, huh? Sheesh.

Let me be absolutely clear. We have here a case of a national radio show that claims to be above racism giving audience to a man who plays a song that does nothing other than mock a people for names that sound funny in English. And yet you take issue not with that hypocrisy, but with people who point out that hypocrisy.

Tommy, I don't think you're racist and I have no reason to believe that this guest host is racist. I just think that I've got pretty solid grounds for arguing that this song and this host's comments mocked Chinese people for their names, and that Bill O'Reilly claims that he and his show are above cheap racist jokes.

(Stop me when I've said something with which you disagree.)

I called the host a jackass, and that's because he's a grown man acting like a child for making jokes about how people from other places and cultures have names that sound strange.

I genuinely don't understand why you've taken issue with anything I've said.

You are entitled to your opinion.  Mine is that I don't find this offensive, I don't find it racist, I don't find it anything but a silly irrelevant mildly humorous dumb joke by a radio talker.  It pokes fun at a Chinese name, so what.  It pokes fun at their alleged underage gymnasts, so what.  It's a play on words that is harmless and totally unworthy of over 100+ posts about it.  I accept my responsibility in furthering this thread discussion on something so absolutely idiotic as highlighting this throwaway line, as AA aptly put it.  I have said my piece, if you don't agree or accept it, so be it.

And if I unjustly accused you of accusing me of racism, I apologize. 

"It pokes fun at a Chinese name, so what."

I think that's exactly my point, Tommy. It's silly. It's juvenile. The joke boils down to, "Those people sure are different! Even their names sound weird! Ha!" It's not a horribly offensive slur, and I don't claim that it is.

But Bill O'Reilly claims that his show isn't a forum for racism. And yet when MMFA documents that it is, MMFA is greeted by people who argue, "Hey, he's just having a little fun! Why so thin skinned?"

Let me say again for the record: I don't think you're racist. And I agree -- this is nothing more than a bad joke that "pok[es] fun at a Chinese name." But that is the very definition of mocking a people for nothing other than being different. I don't even think there's anything wrong with doing that in some contexts, but in this case, this is a show that claims to have higher standards and claims that its critics falsely accuse it of catering to racial and ethnic stereotypes.

(Apology gratefully accepted, by the way. Thank you.)

You forgot that all jokes pertaining to old age are suddenly funny and OK in 2008 as well.

Who forgot what now?

When were they not funny?

After all, old age is a universal.

"Old' jokes have been funny for a long time. There is a time and place for offensive type humor, and I personally enjoy it sometimes, but O'Reilly's radio show, probably not the place for it. And, see my other post above. This "song" wasn't even really funny. This sort of thing belongs more on a morning drive time type radio show.

heh. Old people.

, but O'Reilly's radio show, probably not the place for it. - MagLover

You know, the more I think about it, the more I think maybe O'Really's show IS the place for it.  I mean, when I think underage asian girls, I think O'Really.  Now, your first reaction might be to say "Limpaugh", but from what we know about his Dominican trip...  No, I think O'Really is the authority here.

I'm not old.

Your thinking is.

Expect more of this. The racist xenophobes that populate the heart of the Conservative "Movement" have grown fat and happy over the last 15 years, emboldened by the resounding success of Troglodytes like Rush Limbaugh. They will become ever more shrill and careless as November approaches. After all, their ace in the hole is that the Democrats have nominated a black man, and that scares the hell out of their knuckledragging base.

For the righty talkers... I sincerely hope the phrase 'you live by the sword, you shall die by the sword' comes to pass. They are well-deserving of any comeuppance.

The racist xenophobes that populate the heart of the Conservative "Movement" have grown "fat". 

So, now you're saying they've become chinese? 

Nerz, that may be true for some folks, but give us that just disagree with Obama's socialist/liberal policies a break.

I have no problem with people voting for McCain because they truly support his continuation of Bush's policies. However, I have no respect for the ignorant lemmings who are voting against Obama because they think he's a secret Muslim.

Those people are idiots.... period.

Or a socialist.  If people would actually read his books they'd get a much better sense of his political leanings.

 

And btw, this billboard is by the Minneapolis airport.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/35700/thumbs/s-BILLBOARD-large.jpg

Now that's comedy! 

Which apparently there are still at least 12% of folks in the US who still believe that Obama is a Muslim. Heck, I heard someone I work with talking about how he KNEW Obama was a Muslim. How? Well, look at his name for starters, and the color of his skin. I kid you not.

Up from 10%, it should be noted...

Magnolia,

There are too many who think that he's Muslim (as if that matters) despite all evidence to the contrary, you're right.  Even otherwise intellgent, well-educated people claim this; I have relatives with advanced degrees who have sent me email claiming that Obama is a "stealth muslim" and on the same day have forwarded me email about how his ties to his "black power Christian pastor" should keep him out of office.  I don't even know how to respond anymore.

Mags,

There are still 80% of liberals here who believe that is true. :-)

Post the link.

Really now? OK, you're wrong. Again. But I know you were just trying to be coy. Try again.

And he says I'm in the quicksand?

Talk about 'throwaway lines'... god...

I'm starting to get concerned about Barney. It's not really funny anymore.

Anyone who thinks Obama is a Socialist is too stupid to be allowed to vote.

Nerzog,

Again you are creating your own argument and assigning it to Republicans.  Some call that "projection".

I heard the term Marxist about 14 times this morning on the radio....

Marxist this, marxism that everywhere a Marx Marx, ei, I, ei I oh....

  

The wingnuts must be tuned in to The Detestable One, aka His Dumbness, aka Mark Levin as he throws that 'Marxist' crap around every night. After all, he does call himself 'The Cleanup Hitter'. I'll wager that the dummy doesn't even know what a Marxist is.

Every time I hear a wingnut use the words "Marxist" or "socialist," I am reminded of the words of Inigo Montoya in The Princess Bride:

You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means.

Oh, and it was referring to Obama and Biden

 

? 

Lor,

Were you listening to Air America? 

no, 970, WFLA  I think it was our boy Glenn Beck

Marx himself said: 

"revolutionary phrase-mongering" 

But, I think the righties just phrase monger, has nothing to do with revolutionary.

 

 

I think that was Groucho, not Karl.

For once I have to say to MMFA, "Tsk, tsk!" This is not misinformation. This is just a joke and one with perhaps bad taste, but not going to damage this country. I shouldn't even post on this one. Sorry...

Heck, even Obama is getting into the act. In fact, I think his is even funnier...

Excellent ad. Obama is finally beginning to 'get it'. I hope he keeps it up. THIS is what we need... we need to hammer hard back at Gramps.

Now the Repubs will complain that it isn't fair.

I hear that McCains response was "I resemble that remark".

Typical of the cons to whine about 'fairness'.

So, I guess nine year olds kicking a$$ and getting gold is just too much for the good ol' media muckies. 

Actually, I was thinking that the US and EVERYONE else ought to be ashamed that nine year olds kicked their butts.

Other than that....whats the point again of this story other than crude song?  

A funnier comment would have been:

"So, which Chinese gymnast was Tew Young? Oh, all of them were!"

Randy

Time to check that mission statement here at MMfA: "...dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."

Misinformation? Hey, it was a JOKE. It doesn't matter if you find it funny or not. I hate to say it, but WHY IS THIS HERE?

The misinformation here is that racist humor is funny.

"The misinformation here is that racist humor is funny" ETRW

That sentence does not make any sense. It is a  non-sequitor. 

 

Now who will Bullshi* O'Lielly get to make his "No Spin Zone" products, since he pi**ed off China?

When did Andy Warhol's long-lost love child surface?

AT THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION !!!

LMAO...Good one, Col....

Americans= arrogant, childish, racist, sexist, defensive and VERY offensive. The American superiority complex. Say and do what you want and if/when you offend or hurt someone, justify it by attacking. Never shut your mouths and think from a different perspective. Perpetuate the arrogance, childishness, racism, sexism, because after all, that is what Americans stand for and the nation was built on. Stand proud America in all your glory because should anyone suggest that one of yours, in stupid humor or not, is being offensive to another nation's children, remember you don't have to think or feel, just DEFEND your own and ATTACK others. Decency to children is something you people don't understand. That must be why you allow child molestation and child abuse to be commonplace... ah! Make a song.... find the humor.