And why should I pay for Dick Cheney's life-style induced heart surgeries?

Shesh, what an idiot. Great photo though, MMFA.

And why should progressives have to pay for Bushco's botched Iraqi imperialism? The cost of this affects the economy big-time, yet barely gets mentioned.

Stole it right from my mouth...er...keyboard, or whatever.

 Point of this segment missed perhaps?

When I first saw this, I figured that the discussion was simply a way to bring up Biden's brain aneurysms. After all, he is the VP choice, and was the expected choice of many before the announcement

The aneurysms may have been in 1988, but the age of events doesn't hinder the right wing spin machine from throwing it out. Just the mention of this will stick in the minds of voters.

The MSM can't keep todays' facts in their head let alone remember that Biden had anneurysms 20 years ago....and note that they didn't mention it happened 20 years ago.

If McCain's adulterous behavior, medical problems, or his cancer is brought up, the MSM says it's not relevant  However; even Obama's childhood has been under scrutiny, and the MSM says it's allowed because we need to know who this man is that wants to be our president.

.... If you wonder if this works, note that I brought McCain's adulterous behavior and medicals problems into my comments. Had this been a news article, I would have just given McCain supporters some information on McCain, that may or may not influence their oppion of him.

This is typical of the kind of idiot Fox puts on the air.

 

 

Hoenig is, without a doubt, the absolute worst.

And he gets a kick out his being a total and complete a*hole. He's quite delusional, actually, as well.

I went to school with this guy and he was making himself into a laughing stock back then.  He also used to stuff his crude newsletter into other people's giveaway newspaper boxes around the Chicago Board of Trade like any real trader would want to read his crap.  His supposed hedge fund appears to be run out of his apartment!

If I went to school with Hoepig somebody would have had to pay for his healthcare

One mans' idiot is a Fox genius. They get nothing but the best the Cons have to offer.

simple answer is we live in a society ! Mr Hoenig appears to believe in individual rights to choose with the caveat the hell with everyone else living in this society. this a a potentially dangerous trend that could lead to total chaos and result in a failed society. Aneurisms are a dangerous event that could easily lead to death if not treated and open the medical community to charges of patient neglegt and lawsuits. Hoenig should know better if he is really smart enough to be on the cavuto show. . If Hoenig doesn't want to participate in this society, he can leave for greener pastures.

Hoenig should know better if he is really smart enough to be on the cavuto show.

Wolf, Wolf, Wolf...jst how smart do you have to be to get on any Fox show?  Sheesh!...

LWC- the phrase " put lipstick on a pig and it is still a pig " comes to mind here.

Wolfie, baby....Don't you know that any word starting with "soci" is a BAD word?

Conservatives don't want to live in a "society" - they're self-reliant hard-working independent folks who require nothing from anybody else.  Societies are by definition socialist.  They imply that humans find it easier to survive and improve our lot when we work together - ha!  And socialism has failed every time it's been tried.  Like deregulation.  Or democracy by force.  Or conservative comedy.

We don't need to be organized as a people.  We only need the government to make up borders and boundaries, and to organize the military to protect us.  Well, that and also to insure that our water and food are safe for consumption.  And to regulate weddings so that teh gays don't subvert the sanctity of marriage.  And to bail out the failed financial businesses.  And to keep those diseased and dying poor folks out of our hospitals.  But other than that, we don't need the government at all.

Oh - the government can also organize a police force and build roads for our trucks to transport our products and ensure that drivers are competent and that businesses are bonded when necessary and bribe our allies and make sure our neighbor doesn't park his car in his front yard and arbitrate property disputes and  manage our air traffic and license our physicians and keep drugs out of our country.  But other than that, and one or two other things, we do NOT need government interfering in our lives.

So keep your "society" garbage where it belongs - in Europe and Russia. 

Yes, but besides that, what have the Romans done for us? ;)

That was harsh.

That wasn't harsh, it was sick. Neocons are sociopaths.

Just another compassionate conservative.

"Compassionate conservative" is an oxymoron.

Oxymoron: A moron covered in oxidation, i. e., rust.  A risty moron.  SOrt of like John McCain...

Okay THAT was funny.

I think the bigger question is why does the GOP, which opposes public financed health insurance, not have a problem with its politicians using the generous, taxpayer funded health insurance plan made available to them while in office?

Please be careful, BB.  Words like "copay" and "deductible" are beyond ColombianScience's reading level...  Obviously ColombianScience does not carry his own insurance of any kind (probably Mommy and Daddy carry his freight), because if he did, he'd know about those two arcane concepts.  So I wonder which BK ColombianScience works at?...

Conservatives always bring up this phrase of "political correctness."

No one is preventing the conservatives from saying whatever they want.

In reality, cons are just pissed that the sensibilities of people have risen to the fact that they do not tolerate racist, homophobic, xenophobic, and misogynisitc language as much as they used to. Poor little conservative can't call people a n*gger or a f*ggot anymore. The real issue is why do conservatives use those words?

Being mindlessly abrasive is pretty much the only point of the right wing movement now.

I agree.  They seem to confuse "political correctness" with basic human decency, and since it interferes with their perceived right to act like complete @ssholes they of course reject it. 

Hoenig was born in sept of 1975

Biden had this aneurism in 1988

at 13 Hoenig could not have been working paying social security wages and paying for mr Bidens medical procedure

as a matter of fact i was paying for Hoenig's junior high school participation..

coclusion- Hoenig is funny

He went to a public high school "well known for its large spending per student, academic excellence, and its athletic, drama, and music programs." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Trier_High_School) He's a riot. 

I saw that and was wondering if the " attended "high school ' meant he graduated ?

I'm sure there many liberal posters in here that can answer that question from experience.

You are about 1/16 as funny as you think you are.  That's about as liberally apolitical as I can put it.

You're definitely showing that you passed the GED exam with that fraction!

Please don't get into it with this racist and idiotic troll.  He doesn't want a real discussion or debate, he just wants to annoy everyone here.

Agreed.

I agree. He's not interested in an exchange of ideas he's only interested in trying to humiliate anyone who doesn't think like him, act like him or look like him.

He's a 28 year old with the debating skills of a 2nd grader but without the critical thinking skills of a second grade kid.

Did hoenig graduate from High School ? obviously befuddled 101 doesn't know.

Wolf, I think the Scientific Marvel has been tucked in bed by mommy. She'll be back tomorrow. Or, she is catching up on words she is supposed to use. Going to Rushs' or Seannie the Sissys' website are mandatory. Wait a minute.....After further review, our SciFi gal and Seaniie the Sissy say the same stupid things..therefore, I must ask, SciFi Honey are really the Seannie the Sissy?

we had a roomate like that in college and we knew his mom unpacked his bags when he got home so we snuck a copy of PLAYBOY ( Dec 1968 ) in his bag and wished him well. We never saw him again in the dorm ( or anywhere else ).

December '68...not a popular edition in our house. My sister was the Centerfold. Yippee

December, 68...must have been the Eldridge Cleaver interview.

Are you sure Sci is really 28?  My 15 year old neighbor follows this site and even she thinks he's silly.  Her guess is 19 - in his first job at the mall after having flunked out of community college. 

I've taught the GED classes at our local community-college. I think you'd be surprised at how difficult those tests are.

as a matter of fact i was paying for Hoenig's junior high school participation..

In which case, Hownig ripped you off.  Probably slept through the whole four years at your expense...rather like ColombianScience, wouldn't'cha say?

this age of political correctness and altruism

Bearing in mind that "political correctness," that shibboleth of the right, is regarded by them as an evil, are we to conclude that Jonathan Hoenig regards altruism as evil?

The fact is, such people, people who actually believe that caring about anyone other than yourself is a bad thing, do exist; I had an online exchange with one several years ago. (If you're interested in seeing my side of the exchange, say so or leave a comment on my blog and I'll get you a copy.) It appears that Hoenig, like many of his cohorts, is a sociopath.

Could you post your blog address? Thanks.

Could you post your blog address?

http://whoviating.blogspot.com

It's called Lotus - Surviving a Dark Time

Thanks for asking.  :-)

The fact is, such people, people who actually believe that caring about anyone other than yourself is a bad thing, do exist.

And the really trenchant irony in that truth is that most, if not all, of those who believe this are Bahble-thumpin' "Christians" who equate helping the poor with rewarding people for being lazy, addictive, etc. etc. etc..  Exactly the opposite of the Jesus of Nazareth who told the young rich man to sell everything he had and give it to the poor, or said in exact terms that it is easier for a camel to pass through an eye of a needle than for a rich person to go to Heaven.  Which is why I always remember the quotes around that word Christian when I'm describing them, for they are nothing but hard-hearted frauds of human beings...

They should be called Chrinos...Christians in name only.

I like that!

"altruism" is practically a swear word in the writings of Ayn Rand, guarantee you that's where Hoenig got it.

.

Doubt he got the word there, as that would imply he read the book.  Who is John Galt? 

Anyone want to bet that Hoenig is "pro life".

 

NJ

In fact, they think that health care is a right.

Funny how the cretins who have been screaming themselves hoarse about "baby-killer" Obama change their tune when it comes to keeping non-infants alive...

...and before the local morons start up with the inevitable "see, you want to murder poor helpless babies" routine, my point is that they are very selective about whose right to life should be protected.  Fetuses, check.  Infants, check.  Poor people, nope.  Can't enable or reward their laziness, after all, so they can just go ahead and die.  Dump 'em in the local potter's field and sermonize about how being poor is evil and that rich people are inherently better than the rest of us (Mona Charen's central theme, btw).  Too poor to have your cancer treated?  Too bad--you shouldn't have been so lazy you weren't rich...

Why should I have to pay for a "war" that does nothing but destabilize the middle-east and give profits to companies like Halliburton and Exxon et Al.

By the way, anyone reading this is paying the cost of health care for somebody else.  If you pay taxes you cover the health plans of government employees and those who receive government provided health care such as Medicaid/Care.  If you buy any product or service from a company that provides health insurance to its employees, part of the price you pay is going towards their health care.  If you pay into a health insurance plan, either completely self funded or a co-payment to your employer, and you do not use more medical care than your yearly payments, the excess is going into someone else's health care.

Health care in this country is already semi-socialized, it is just not being done efficiently or through the government.  Most proponents of creating a single payer government plan aren't trying to create a system of Europen style socialized medicine, they instead are trying to improve on the crazy-quilt design that a profit based, insurance centric version has created.

If you pay taxes you cover the health plans of government employees and those who receive government provided health care

Oh, you mean like Senator John McCain, who wants Americans to have only the level of health coverage they can afford?...

And wants to make employer provided health coverage a taxable benefit.

Yes, because don't you know that the middle class (what's left of it, at least) doesn't bear enough of the tax burden?  Which is why he also believes in allowing the employers to keep that tax deduction while making the employees pay tax on it...

Or BO wanting to give you the standard of living on behalf of someone else who's actually worked for it?

Or people like GWB and yourself sending others to wars you won't fight. 

Ah, the core of conservative sociopathy shows its ugly head, the fear that someone else getting help is somehow taking something away from them.  This is the basic driving emotion behind so much of the resentment and hatred oozing out of the minds of these people:  Some lazy thief is taking money out of their pockets and the evil libs are helping him do it.

You just described all the rednecks in the southern states to a "T". It's no secret that the red states get more government financing than they contribute to the federal coffers. You and your trailer park trash buddies have been leeching off of the system your whole lives at my expense. You've got some nerve suggesting we're taking something from you who has contributed little to the game and didn't even have the guts or conviction to serve.

More to the point, the issue is not with the actual distribution of health care; it is with paying for that care.  MBat is quite right to point this out; I only wish the media, who equates government-funded health care (i. e., the government pays some or all the cost of paying private/public providers for their care) with true "socialized medicine" )in which the care is provided by the government and the health-care providers are government employees), would getthis point, and actually note it to their audiences...

The biggest government healthcare bogey-man I hear about from Rush/Hannity/O'Reilly and their friends concerns government rationing of healthcare. 

We ALREADY HAVE HEALTHCARE RATIONING except, instead of being done by the government, it is done based wealth.

I wonder why nobody pointed out that in any insurance system we all pay for each others' aneurysms.  (Unless the insurance company can pick and choose whom it will cover.).  Our insurance premiums cover the costs of every single medical treatment plus the administrative costs incurred by the doctors, hospitals and insurance companies plus a profit margin minus any investment income from the premiums.

It does not really matter if Biden is with one insurance company and you're with another. The overall risk of aneurysms (and all other medical problems) and cost of treating thereof is factored into insurance premiums.

The only way we're not paying for each other is we pay our medical bills with no insurance at all and no government assistance at all and medical expenses have no more tax deductability than any other living expense.

In brief, Hoenig simply is clueless.

I think the former POW, John McCain, should hire Jonathan Hoenig as his spokesperson. He has that certain Republican quality about him that I just can't put my finger on...  ;>)

Maybe it's the name of the company Hoenig works for.

CapitalistPig.  Wonderfully accurate description of both Hoenig and all Repugnantcons...

He's already got Phil Gramm

From the looks of that screen cap, that little coke dweeb Hoenig has been hitting either the tanning salon or (more likely) a bottle of bronzer. Just like his hero (no doubt) Jeff Skilling...

So classy of Hoenig to try to score a political point using Biden having brain aneurysms...and of course Cavuto doesn't say he's out of bounds as this is par for the course on Faux. They both obviously have some defective brain vessels.

Hey Hoenig, why do I have to pay for your car accidents or your house fires, wind damage, etc?  Inquiring minds want to know.

You know, one way or another, he's paying for people's health care.

He's paying thousands of dollars on every American automobile. It's figured into the price of just about anything.

He's paying for it by the reduced number of small businesses being started up because people--even well-to-do people--can't afford either to go without insurance and pay out of pocket or to try and buy individual insurance.

He pays for it by having a sicker and more scared work force.

He pays for it by having talented and skilled people becoming unpersons because of 'pre-existing conditions.'

You see, Hoenig just views (like I'm sure our friend Science) the health care crisis as a nice Social Darwinist way of culling the herd. What they don't see id that it is a colossal anchor on the economy. It stifles innovation, impedes productivity, and is part of the Republican drag chain that is rapidly turning us into a third-class nation.

Thanks to the Republicans, Europeans are freer than we are, richer than we are, live longer and healthier lives than we do, and are pulling ahead of us in science and technology.

But that's fine with them--as long as we're not 'altruists.'

I still don't understand why the right-wingers all don't migrate to China. Current China is EXACTLY what they are trying to achieve here, so why not just go where their utopia already exists?

For once, at long last, I am happy to have insects like Jonathan Hoenig appear on MSM give-aways. I want the public to see exactly what the rightwings have to offer. I want the folks to witness the kind of slime who speak for the Republican ideology. Makes my little old heart swell with pride that the rest of us are so far removed from his kind of moronic ideas.

Oh, and SCIENCE...F. O.

MADDOGG, I totally agree and have been saying it for years. We need more exposure of jagoffs like this jerk. Let them talk. All it will do is increase the hate of the Right because people like Coulter will have to outdo this guy. There is only some much money in the pot for these haters. Annie had a big run but now she is way down in the rankings. To move up, she is going to have to be really outrageous.

Rush and the Sissy Boy will so butt heads to be THE GUY. Of course, Seannie will get crushed.

However, when these creeps spout off, they should be challenged in every way. Just like Corsi...Thom Hartmann treated him like his book treats people. It was wonderful. 

 

Corsi appeared on Thom Hartmann's show?...

 

Are you kidding?

 

Corsi must have been begging for an ass whoopin', because I know Hartmann gave it to him.

 

Yup, it was hilarious. It's on iTunes podcasts, was sometime early last week, I believe.

You can find archives of the Thom Hartmann Show here (Corsi was on Friday's show).  The guy running the site says it's pretty expensive to store these archives so any donation would be appreciated.

Thanks, P.O.W., for the information about Corsi on Thom Hartmann. I will certainly check it out. Lately I have been so sickened by the MSM that I can't watch or listen to any of it's bulls**t. Maybe that's a mistake, you think? Maybe I should take my OWN advice about being aware of ALL the crap presented as "news" if only to be informed as to the depths to which they will sink. To be forewarned is to be armed, right?

Jonathan is correct: Why should taxpayers that cannot afford medical insurance, pay the medical bills for millionaires?  

There is a simple answer to all of the right wingers preaching social irresponsibility:it's called DNC ... Do Not Cover

you don't have to pay for anyone else's problems. And they don't have to pay for yours. All you have to is to write a lifetime release to all commercial health insurers and public programs stating you do not wish to be covered or treated at all for any heath problems you ever experience. Like a DNR ... Do Not Resuscitate ... entry in your hospital chart, it guarantees you a responsible private death.   

completly off topic but listen to the words i wonder who she is talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJMkMRrGKco

No way.  You are absolutely NOT off topic.  The link is about people exactly like Hoenig.

Jonathan Hoenig is an insult to humanity.

I love the "right to life" conservatives and how they selectively apply thier beliefs.  None of them can explain how healthcare is not a right.  Is the person who dies because he or she does not have the insurace to fight cancer not been deprived of the basic right to life?  Other nations have evolved thier ideas of freedom to support this, but the U.S. i am afraid never will.

Conservatives like Hoenig (and I stress that Hoenig is a true conservative) delude themselves into believing that they never get government freebies.  He is just like Joe Republican in the following short story:

http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2007/04/a_day_in_the_li.html

A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans.

The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."

EXCELLENT

To anybody and everybody: Although I am more astute with my computer's capabilities (I DO know how to "do a google".), I still can't get the Hartmann show with his Jerome Corsi segment. Could one of you direct me to the link? Was it a TV show or radio or what? I have already searched YouTube and even went to Hartmann's web site. Maybe I'm wrong; maybe old Johnny Mack and I ARE in the same fix. .....Nah.

Hey, I found it.  I can't wait to finish listening to it.

http://mccombover.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/thom-hartmann-gives-dr-jerome-corsi-a-taste-of-his-own-medicine/

Thank you, SKIPLOADER, for the link. I just listened to it and WOW, is it ever great! Thom Hartmann just exposed the smarmy cretin Corsi is. This was my first time ever listening to Hartmann and now I am a fan.

What about mcCain's skin cancer screenings and surguries?

I saw the bill to Medicare from MY Dr for removing small skin cancers. Weekly visits and 3 month follow ups at 660.00 a pop plus my 20.00 co pay. Like to see how much McCains bill is for his recurring skin cancers! 

A little too defensive on MMFA's part, IMO.

As if advocating single-payer health care would be a crime. 

Well, it's a fair question -- since obviously nobody paid for Hoenig's, even though it left him severely mentally impaired.

Why did I have to pay for Hoenig's lobotomy?

Safe to assume that Mr. "I've Got too Many Houses to Remember the Number" takes advantage of the sweetheart-deal medical coverage offerred to U.S. reps when he could well afford private insurance???  "Socialized Medicine" never seems to be a problem when greedy ReThugs are getting it!

And "socialized health care" means the government runs the delivery of health care: hospitals, clinics, doctors, etc. Neither Obama nor any other serious observer supports that here. Many do support what might be called "socialized health insurance", that is, single-payer government run insurance, aka Medicare.

 All industrial democracies support universal health insurance, some through governments, some through private insurers, some as a combo. Very few have "socialized health care", the UK being one.

 Until we distinguish between health care and insurance, idiots like this will set the terms of the argument, to the detriment of sanity.

Ha Ha. Koenig.  Now go back under that rock you crawled out from.