I guess MSNBC will now offer him a job.

Wow. I'm surprised Rush managed to work afirmative action into that racist speel. He really hates black people who do well, doesn't he? He hides it behind the fact that they choose to remain a democrat if they do well, but at the end of the day pimple butt is nothing more than a draft dodging racist.

He’s dumb enough to apply his affirmative action screed to the NFL, so he's stupid enough to try and do the same with electoral politics.

he's crazy about clarence thomas, sowell, etc.  but as they are conservatives, i guess they are not really black.  but what difference does it make.  obama is toast.

They might as well. They've already backed down after Rick Davis demanded that they drop the 'cone of silence' issue. Even Olbermann-- who piously protests, and then does exactly what the repubs bully them about.

I love the implication that Limbaugh would somehow approve another Dem being nominated-- like Hillary...if they'd had, he'd then accuse Dems of being bigots! 

Apparently the hard-fought primary and the legions of Hillary Clinton supporters are nothing more than an drug-hazed blur.

"I think it really goes back to the fact that nobody had the guts to stand up and say no to a black guy"

Funny, but I thought Obama won the nomination after months of a hard fought primary fight with several other Democratic candidates?  I guess instead of voting for or against him, Democrats just should have stood outside the polling place, spoken from their "gut", and said "NO!"

"They've, they've ended up nominating and placing at the top of their ticket somebody who's not qualified, who has not earned it."

The Republicans did that back in 2000 and it seemed to work out OK for them. 

Although not for the rest of the country, unfortunately.

Or the world, for that matter...

Democrats did that as well back in 76.  Didn't turn out good for the rest of America either.

We squandered a progressive mandate in 76. That will not happen this time.

Not so optimistic. Obama's already blowing it.

Whatevs Carl. I'm tired of your routine. You have some good ideas here and there, but you're bitterness about the primary gets in the way.

"76 was a different time with different issues and different societal forces at work.  Apples and oranges.

yeah, it was a more progressive time, and a Dem won. The last great era for Dems, before the Reaction.

Obama is turning into Dukakis II instead-- that's the better parallel. And the end result will be the same-- a Republican mandate, although this time it will be far worse, a joyous party for the libertarian/market economy wing.

Bye bye to everything. 

Are you a charter member of PUMA PAC?

Science,

Can you explain how Jimmy Carter was unqualified, since he had Military experience, was a Governer and so on?

Carter was unqaulifyed because he was the worst president ever and he made the country have the biggest inflation ever.  plus, he was not ever a former prisoner of war even though he was in the army.  He wa s probably as bad as Karry and faked a bunch of medals before the democrat party let him run for president.  and he was only govener of georgia and a popcorn farmer which is not good training to be president which is why we fot had the worst inflation in teh history of the country and we could not afford gas.  that is a mistake tha america is still payhing for.

Neon, how about some CAPS, BOLD CAPS and exclamation points????!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry.  I'm working as hard as I can just to get the thought process mixed up enough to sound genuine, I simply forgot the emotional aspect.

Your post was good, but would have been even better with a non-funny joke at the end followed by a smiley face.

Possibly a joke about killing or bombing or someone dying in some way, righties seem to find those hilarious.

Neon

Carter was in the Navy not the Army, he was a 2 term Governor of Ga, (better then your boy now) he was a peanut farmer, not a popcorn farmer, and if you want to win your arguement, don't bring up the price of gas.

Slow down there, hoss.

NEON is one of the good guys. He was being facetious.

You might want to lurk just a little while longer to figure out who's who.

Here's a little help (entirely my own opinion, based on almost 5 years of reading and participating in discussion here):

SCIENCE101, ANOTHERAMERICAN, SHOES89, and DAWUSS are all wingnuts with only one brain that they must share, though it's never clear who has possession of it on any given day. This is also true for most (but not all) posters with random strings of numbers after their names (mgarnett251924).

JETER2 and TOMMY are "independents" who pretend they're above it all but have revealed themselves to lean Right on all substantive issues. However, they often manage to make a sensible, reasoned post expressing a respectable/respectful opinion (even if we don't agree with them.)

You will also find a flood of "seagull" posters in any discussion of Michael Savage or Rush Limbaugh. These losers fly in, make a lot of noise, crap on everything, and fly off without so much as a howdy-do.

As for me, I'm as far to the Left as anyone here and fiercely proud of it. I'm also a total dick except in real life. (At least that's what my wife says.)

Oops, I for got a wingnut: BRUCE1ACE.

Anyone else?

I don't really agree that AA or Bruce should be labeled as "wingnuts".  Although AA is the more strident of the two, I think they both have spent a great deal of time considering their positions and are not just giving knee-jerk responses like the others you mentioned.  I mostly disagree with them, but I actually respect their thoughts on the issues.

Oscar the Grouch is one of the reasonable conservatives, with a good sense of humor, self-deprecating    and no pushover. Bruce is a good guy, like Tommy & Jeter on their good days. The others,Rinohunter, shoes, anotheramerican,hogprint, and a bunch who pop in & out, are brainwashed zombie trolls, only good as clown-style entertainment.

"As for me, I'm as far to the Left as anyone here and fiercely proud of it. I'm also a total dick except in real life. (At least that's what my wife says.)"

I just, I don't know, me too.

"Carter was unqaulifyed because he was the worst president ever"

Prove he was worse than Shrub?  (hint: he wasn't) 

"plus, he was not ever a former prisoner of war even though he was in the army. "

He was in the NAVY and he was a submarine commander 

"He wa s probably as bad as Karry and faked a bunch of medals before the democrat party let him run for president.:

Where's your proof?  (hint: there isn't any) 

"he was only govener of georgia"

Shrub was only the governor of Texas.  What's your point?  (hint: there isn't one) 

"and a popcorn farmer"

Peanut farmer.  And his farm is still in business.  Where are the "businesses" Shrub ran?  (hint: in the drink) 

 "which is not good training to be president"

It's better to be a failed businessman like Shrub, than a success farmer like Carter?  (hint: no, it isn't) 

"which is why we fot had the worst inflation in teh history of the country and we could not afford gas.  that is a mistake tha america is still payhing for."

It's been what, 30 years? since Carter was President...and you're blaming HIM for gas prices TODAY?  Geez...you have the Clinton basher beaten all hollow!  Congratulations. 

 

It was a parody.  I mean, come on.  How the hell does one go about raising popcorn?  Grow corn, then go out to the fields with a butane torch?

"It was a parody.  I mean, come on.  How the hell does one go about raising popcorn?  Grow corn, then go out to the fields with a butane torch?"

I don't do parody.  I read and I respond to what I read.  And, BTW, it's still "popcorn" while it's in the field.  Popcorn is a variety of corn that "pops" when it's heated.  Even if it doesn't pop...it's still popcorn.  So yes, you raise popcorn by growing it.  You pop it by heating the mature kernels.

THAT was awesome. Kudos to Neon.

Take a bow, Neon!  Fantastic!

There's just so much wrong with your post it's hard to know where to begin.  Let's just start at the top. 

Mr. Carter worst President ever?  I think history will show that Mr. G.W. Bush will hold that role.

Mr. Carter was in the Navy (finished 59th out of 820 at the Naval Academy), not the Army.  And what does being a POW have to do with anything?

He was only Governor of Georgia.  Mr. G.W. Bush was only Governor of Texas, Mr. McCain has been Governor of what, exactly?

Mr. Carter resigned from the Navy upon the death of his father to take over the family peanut farm.  He did not raise popcorn.

And you remember that in 1973 the OPEC nations agreed to reduce the amount of oil that they were making available on the world market, don't you?  That was during Nixon's tenure and was the primary cause of inflation and slow growth well into the 1980's.

Mr. Carter was correct about a great many things.  Unfortunately the "Me" generation wasn't willing to make the sacrifices necessary at the time.

Mr. OldMarine, I love your passion, but Neon is doing parody. Neon is a brilliant humorist.

I agree with the 'me generation' thing. I thought Carter's 'malaise' speech was absolutely brilliant. He was totally right about spoiled attitudes back then (people crying and bitching about gas going up 35 cents, my god!) and he nailed the problem.

Of course, he was crucified by the Press for this.

They hated him, the way they now hate all Dems and do-gooders. They're a cynical, hateful, worms-for-brains lot, the majority of them, and it's our cross to bear. Things are going to have to get MUCH worse before they get better.

 

Carter was unqaulifyed because he was the worst president ever and he made the country have the biggest inflation ever.  plus,

Hey nitwit,

inflation started with Nixon, and was far worse 1972-1976. It as so bad that Nixon even instituted wage and price controls-- he brought back the OPA for chrisakes!.

Same with gas prices and gas lines-- it was FAR worse under Nixon-Ford 1973-1977. They started the problem, Carter inherited and ENDED it-- last gas lines (barely) were in 1979.

Much of the problem with gas was that no one-- until 1977 (Carter) came up with the idea of odd/even days, which cut down lines, and the panic, immediately and drastically.

Isn't it fun, righties, to ignore the facts? It makes life for you guys so much easier, eh? 

Jimmy Carter graduated too high in his Naval Academy class to be considered Presidential timber...shouldn't have happened.

Sen. Obama wants to be President.  How many military planes has he crashed?  Well?

at least one-- knowlingly and voluntarily bombing innocent Vietnamese civilians in an ignoble war that we lost.

Ah, the truth. It's so repellent to so many, isn't it? 

Obama bombed innocent civilians in Viet Nam?

he was in the navy.  i don't remember him being decorated, although they would have given him some medals, but none for valor as he was not in combat.  he was not optimistic, and was a lousy leader.

Former Pres. Carter graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy. He was not in the Army. He was chief executive (governor) of the state of Georgia. He was honest and decent. That's why he was elected. I agree his presidency wasn't the best. Many forces, including bad timing, contirbuted to his failed presidency. Please check your facts. Oh yeah, he was a peanut farmer. Or were you trying to be funny?

Explain the problems President Carter faced when he took the oath of office?

Who or what was the underlying cause of the problems he faced when he was inaugurated?

Explain how his actions or inactions harmed the country?

You come here telling us the history of those times, yet you weren't even born in 1976. Some of us lived through those times.

Only a mindless, dittohead could say that Crater was to blame for everything that happened from January 1977 to January 1981.

If as you think, Carter was wholly responsible for everything that happened between those dates then are we to understand that we can hold no one but George W. Bush responsible for the most devastating terrorist attack in world history?

that we can hold no one but George W. Bush responsible for the most devastating terrorist attack in world history?

The posters of MMFA do just that.  And then some.

Worrier asked YOU a question. He didn't ask what you thought of MMFA posters.

What goes around comes around.

Alright, you have earned the Wesley distinction of dishonest punk. Welcome. You inhabit rarified air.

Hey moron... you gonna answer the questions or not?

August 6th, 2001 ---- Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US

Failure-in-Chief Bush's response was to clear brush on his ranch

Add that up and what do you get ... Worst President Ever

"Dishonest punk" is the preferred namecalling of the week, RabbitLuver.

What goes around comes around.

And in your case, what's going around looks like the tertiary stage of an STD.

You come here telling us the history of those times, yet you weren't even born in 1976. Some of us lived through those times.

This is the bane of the age, worrierking.

I especially love those punks who weren't even around during Vietnam, but who tell us what a glorious and heroic war it was. 

It's very very scary, these idiots. 

Those punks are almost as bad as the punks who were around then and claimed to be supporters of the War in Vietnam but had "other priorities" or who had a pilonidal cyst or who had a well connected daddy or who had to wait in line behind a bunch of minorities who took all of the good jobs (Light Weapons Infantry) from the patriotic folk.

yep

You mean the guy who pushed alternative energy 30 years ago and got a Muslim country to sign a treaty with Israel? Yep, he was a real screw up.

I know, what a jerk he was.

And don't forget, he created inflation and personally started gas lines himself.

Everyone knows that it was Ronald Reagan who made the world safe for-- well, everything.

Let's not forget how he lusted in his heart.

The bastard!

Only among the whiners on the right. The Dems will do there thing. So wesley, you have about 10 more days to repost this feeling among the Repubs.

Wesley,

Do you think the polls reflect the short attention span of the American Public, seeing as how Obama was on vacation and not really in the news when the poll was taken?

That could easily be the case.

So Posting that stuff was merely a distraction from the topic at Hand?

Nope.

I think the true test will be the poll that should be conducted right now, after the saddleback forum.  If it maintains, or gets worse for Obama, then its not the short minded public.

Science,

So you put a lot of faith in polls?

I think they portray a fairly accurate view of the current minds of the public.  I wouldnt bet on one to make money, but they do offer some valuable information.  If polls werent to be taken seriously - then the democrats wouldnt be forced to cave on drilling :-)

Whatever, Science. You know as well as Frank Luntz that polls are a linguistic sleight of hand. For example, ask a sample of people if they favor higher taxes and only about one in five will say yes. Ask that same sample if they favor a small raise in taxes if it meant healthcare for man, woman and child and three out of four will say yess.

It's all about how the question is framed.

sk that same sample if they favor a small raise in taxes if it meant healthcare for man, woman and child and three out of four will say yess.

Only if those 3 people currently dont pay taxes to begin with and will get free healthcare.

So you agree polls are predicated on language frames?

No, the language is quite easy.  But it would be much more interesting to find out what only tax-paying Americans think.  Not the ones who don't pay federal taxes and only stand to get something for free.

http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/study-tallies-corporations-not-paying-income-tax/?scp=6&sq=companies%20pay%20no%20taxes%20&st=cse

Uh, no kidding - but thats not what I asked.

However, on your subject, it just goes to prove that a windfall profits tax will only increase the price of fuel on consumers.

Oh, yeah. I almost forgot you're one of those disenfranchising cons who believe in pay to play democracy. I know you love your elitist rule, I know you would prefer a caste society in which we are constrained to become only what we can afford to make of ourselves. But that's deeply antithetical to the fundamental American principle that all men (and thanks to liberals, women and minorities) are created equal.

fundamental American principle that all men (and thanks to liberals, women and minorities) are created equal.

Yes, CREATED equal - and what you do with it from there is your own personal responsibility.

That sounds like an interpretation. What ever happened to all that strict constructionism?

Where does it say in the constitution that I'm required to work hard and give up my money to low income people in the US and in other countries?  What about that for constructionism.

Where does it say that you're on your own? Build your own schools, roads, hospitals, energy grids, water treatment facilities, fire departments?

Look, the simple fact is that a healthy economy depends upon people taking risks. In the absence of a strong social safety net, the ability to take risks, is well, too risky to consider.

Why do you hate America and everything it stands for, Science...?

People worked hard - on their own - to build america.  They didnt rely on govt handouts then, and shouldn't not.

I dont hate America, you do...for wanting to turn it into a European like country....something our ancestors left behind on purpose.

So, folks like Lewis and Clark were not funded by the government?

But, besides that, Thomas Jefferson thinks you're a tool.

"I have indeed two great measures at heart, without which no republic can maintain itself in strength: 1. That of general education, to enable every man to judge for himself what will secure or endanger his freedom. 2. To divide every county into hundreds, of such size that all the children of each will be within reach of a central school in it." --Thomas Jefferson to John Tyler, 1810. ME 12:393

"Of all the views of this law [for public education], none is more important, none more legitimate, than that of rendering the people the safe as they are the ultimate guardians of their own liberty." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIV, 1782. ME 2:206

"Education not being a branch of municipal government, but, like the other arts and sciences, an accident [i.e., attribute] only, I did not place it with election as a fundamental member in the structure of government." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816. ME 15:45

"Education is here placed among the articles of public care, not that it would be proposed to take its ordinary branches out of the hands of private enterprise, which manages so much better all the concerns to which it is equal; but a public institution can alone supply those sciences which, though rarely called for, are yet necessary to complete the circle, all the parts of which contribute to the improvement of the country, and some of them to its preservation." --Thomas Jefferson: 6th Annual Message, 1806. ME 3:423

"The present consideration of a national establishment for education, particularly, is rendered proper by this circumstance also, that if Congress, approving the proposition, shall yet think it more eligible to found it on a donation of lands, they have it now in their power to endow it with those which will be among the earliest to produce the necessary income. The foundation would have the advantage of being independent on war, which may suspend other improvements by requiring for its own purposes the resources destined for them." --Thomas Jefferson: 6th Annual Message, 1806. ME 3:424

A Bill for Educating the Masses:

"The object [of my education bill was] to bring into action that mass of talents which lies buried in poverty in every country for want of the means of development, and thus give activity to a mass of mind which in proportion to our population shall be the double or treble of what it is in most countries." --Thomas Jefferson to M. Correa de Serra, 1817. ME 15:156

"The general objects [of a bill to diffuse knowledge more generally through the mass of the people] are to provide an education adapted to the years, to the capacity, and the condition of every one, and directed to their freedom and happiness." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIV, 1782. ME 2:204

"A bill for the more general diffusion of learning... proposed to divide every county into wards of five or six miles square;... to establish in each ward a free school for reading, writing and common arithmetic; to provide for the annual selection of the best subjects from these schools, who might receive at the public expense a higher degree of education at a district school; and from these district schools to select a certain number of the most promising subjects, to be completed at an University where all the useful sciences should be taught. Worth and genius would thus have been sought out from every condition of life, and completely prepared by education for defeating the competition of wealth and birth for public trusts." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:399

"This [bill] on education would [raise] the mass of the people to the high ground of moral respectability necessary to their own safety and to orderly government, and would [complete] the great object of qualifying them to secure the veritable aristoi for the trusts of government, to the exclusion of the pseudalists... I have great hope that some patriotic spirit will... call it up and make it the keystone of the arch of our government." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:400

"My partiality for that division [of every county into wards] is not founded in views of education solely, but infinitely more as the means of a better administration of our government, and the eternal preservation of its republican principles. The example of this most admirable of all human contrivances in government, is to be seen in our Eastern States; and its powerful effect in the order and economy of their internal affairs, and the momentum it gives them as a nation, is the single circumstance which distinguishes them so remarkably from every other national association." --Thomas Jefferson to Wilson C. Nicholas, 1816. ME 14:454

"The less wealthy people,... by the bill for a general education, would be qualified to understand their rights, to maintain them, and to exercise with intelligence their parts in self-government; and all this would be effected without the violation of a single natural right of any one individual citizen." --Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821. ME 1:73

OK. since you're not responding, for whatever reason, I know you're a busy man, I will spell it out for you.

One of our foremost founding fathers believed that investing in the general welfare, what you would call a "hand out," paid huge dividends for our continued freedom and sovereignty.

To reiterate, handouts are a conservative myth. The liberal way is about rewarding hard work, lifting up all Americans and securing a better future through, yes, good government.

Embrace your patriotism, shrug off the hero myth because we are all in it together.

Get with the common good, brother, or get left behind.

 

Get with the common good, brother, or get left behind.

Shouldn't that read; Get with the common good, COMRADE?

Hey Hogprick! What's up? Can't face the real world, so you have to invent one in which liberals are commies and conservatives aren't violent authoritarian thugs?

You're pathetic.

Flophouse posted:

Hey Hogprick!

Niiiiiice!  

I like this game.  I bet I can name more people associated with/or were communists in our government than you can name "authorotarian thugs"in our government. 

Remember...In our Government...

I think it is easier to find authoritarians than commies these days.  I can't think of a more clear example than the administration's earlier dogged refusal to even grant Habeas to suspects, increased powers for spying on their own citizens without warrants or the administration's apparent actions regarding the use of torture.  Those have to top any would-be authoritarian's wish list.

What? Hogprick? Can't take a joke?

You allude to me as a commie, call me flophouse and condescend to me like an arrogant ass the other day and expect me greet you with flowers now. Just get over it.

I like that qualifier, "in our government." Since when do you think you were granted authority to set the parameters of any discussions here.

But you go ahead and look back fifty or sixty years, find some commies. I could care less at this point. It's history.

All I have to do today to find a right wing authoritarian thug is turn on the radio or tv, I'll find one preaching violent rhetoric and using intimidation. Just observe Hannity, Coulter, Boortz, Savage, Limbaugh, Gibson, Hewitt, O'Reilly, Malkin, Schlessinger, Ingraham, Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Boehner, Gingrich, Delay, Ney, Cunningham, Dobson, Brownback, Thompson, Giulianni, McCain, Santorum, McConnell,...I think you get where I'm going with this.

The right is hate. Own it.

 wanting to turn it into a European like country

Let's see:  Europe has good food, public transporation, culture, and universal health care.

The US has fast food, highway gridlock, American Idol, and the most inefficient health care in the world.

I'll take a little more European influence anytime.  You, by the way, are simply a hater, nothing more, nothing less. 

Let's see:  Europe has good food, public transporation, culture, and universal health care.

The US has fast food, highway gridlock, American Idol, and the most inefficient health care in the world.

Fog,

There are alternatives to staying in the retched USA.  There are planes leaving hourly. No one is keeping you here.  

should have been - wretched

I am counting down the days, my man.  Counting them down...

Hey Pseudoscience! By any chance... have you ever heard of the SBA - Small Business Administration. If so, please tell us what that agency does and why it does it.

Science101:  Yeh - like the Transcontinental Railroad!  The Big 4 didn't need any gov't handouts to build that, did they!

Well, of course, actually they did...Along with canals and the telegraph and the US Mail subsidies and many, many other forms of corporate welfare.

  Including a legal system that considers a corporation to be a person...Jim Hightower has done a great job exposing that one.

Well, at least Big Oil doesn't need government handouts!

Actually, while Big Oil doesn't need 'em they are sure gettin' 'em!

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY????

That doesn't exist in the LIBERAL universe.  It's always someone else's fault and everybody owes me a living and should provide for my needs. And if another person cramps my style I can just abort them

And if another person cramps my style I can just abort them

Not true, NLT.  You cramp MY style but I can't abort you..... 

:-)

As much as you might wish that you could 'abort' him...

"That doesn't exist in the LIBERAL universe.  It's always someone else's fault..." -- noleftturns

You are so right.  Liberals are so stoopid!  Not like President Bush, who took sole responsibility for failure to act before 9/11, being wrong on Iraq's WMD and federal failures on Katrina.  No finger pointing there at all.  The buck stops at the President's desk. Am I right?  Yessiree, Bob! Hahahahaha.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY????

That doesn't exist in the LIBERAL universe.  It's always someone else's fault and everybody owes me a living and should provide for my needs. And if another person cramps my style I can just abort them

- noleftturns

 

Hey, how'd you find out?! 

Language and audience are the biggest factor in the outcomes of polls. Polling people at a McCain rally will yield different results than at an Obama rally. Phrasing certain questions a certain way to those people will yield different results as well.

 

Political polls are like sports power rankings. They don't matter once the legitimate action occurs.

I will say I don't care much about polls. As far as I can tell the campaigns use them to direct campaign money and resources.  Elections are the only thing I really care about.  We are pretty far out to be writing off anyone definitively.

scienceguy,

Correctamundo. Pelosi caved on her high minded "saving the planet" rhetoric after reading the polling. Very similar to McCain caving on illegal immigration...when he was handed his head by the polling organizations. 

Wesley,

Do you think the polls reflect the short attention span of the American Public, seeing as how Obama was on vacation and not really in the news when the poll was taken?

Wishful thinking.

It's proof instead that the 'big lie' technique works, especially with a Republican-run news media. 

Do you think the polls reflect the short attention span of the American Public, seeing as how Obama was on vacation and not really in the news when the poll was taken?

I believe the polls reflect that as the true nature of the two candidates is revealed, the public is waking up to the fact that Obama is just not ready to lead.  Articles like this one are beginning to have an effect on the voting public. This article offers a great contrast in the leadership styles of the two candidates running for president.  It's a little long, but well worth the read.  It basically chronicles the back channels of the Iraq war (something liberals have never been given the straight story about) and shows that despite the best efforts of the liberal media,  McCain is much more qualified to lead and will not sell out in the name of political expediency.  It confirms the liberal beliefs that a ton of mistakes were made in Iraq but also confirms that with the right leadership, mistakes can be overcome and victory achieved.  

While I haven't been one of McCain's biggest supporters up to this point, and don't agree with everything he supports, I now can clearly see that he does have what it takes to lead our great nation.  I have a new found respect for McCain and I believe that the polls show I'm not alone.  The more I know about both candidates, the clearer it is that McCain is the better choice.  McCain is the real deal!

"McCain is much more qualified to lead and will not sell out in the name of political expediency." --cb

Hahahaha...Now is the time to roll the parade of McCain flip-flops.  I like McCain, but let's be realistic.  He has changed his tune on almost every major issue.  Just because he sticks behind his wrong judgment on Iraq is not really a great sell either. 

I don't know who I am voting for at this point.  I was once solidly for McCain, but now I am not so sure that is a good idea.

You phony bastard. You getting your frequent flyer miles, or preferred customer points from the McCain campaign with that bs post?

Whatever they're giving you, it isn't worth selling out your fellow coountrymen's future with wingnut McCain propaganda.

But hey, if you liked Bush, you'll love McCain.

You work for PUMA PAC or something? You sound like one of those old timey rat finks, you dishonest punk.

Wesley:  First of all, the Zogby polls have not exactly proven to be very accurate.  Second, you've ignored the very important "Margin of Error."  So called "leads" of 5% to 7% in most polls do not exceed the standard 3.5% to 5% margin(s) of error.  In other words, and I'm typing very slowly here, until the spread between two candidates or issues exceeds the margin of error there is no difference.  It's a tie.

Classic Limbaugh.  No wonder he got that multi-year multi-million dollar contract.  Or as H.L. Mencken put it: No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. 

 In what amounts to national perversity, Limbaugh's made enough to fund hundreds of childrens' hospitals and other more worthy receipients using that axiom.

Well aimed bigotry = big bucks.

In my view, Obama was less qualified than Hillary Clinton.  I certainly wouldn't say he's unqualified, though. 

"Less qualified" by what measure?

Obama has more time in elected office than Clinton (12 vs 10), and is on two major Senate committees relating to foreign policy.

What are Hillary Clinton's qualifications over and above Barack Obama? That she was married to a President? That she's white?

Rush is getting stale. He better prop up his style of Hannity will pass him on the totem pole.

The recent rants of Mr. Limbaugh should show the Republicans that this type of rhetoric will get your party defeated. Not just for the presidency but the House and Senate also.

Rush is a business man. He is in it for the money and got his, well deserved, reward in his newest contract. But to rely on his instinct and lack of intellect is destroying the Republican party. Does anyone remember when McCain got the nomination. Didn't Rush say that he wouldn't vote for him or wouldn't work for him? That was the true Rush..expressing his anger because people weren't listening to him.

How many Dittoheads want Rush to come out and debate a Democrat on issues and this race to the White House. Rush won't do it and the Dittoheads know why. Because everyone will try to attack Rush. At least that what he tells them. Rush hides behind his microphone and dishes out trash just like this rant above.

Didn't Jeff Christie learn his lesson after the whole Donovan McNab controversy?  I guess not......

Who are "They"? And what were "They" supposed to have the "guts" to say? 'Hey Obama, get to the back of the line where you belong'

The Democratic party gave Obama the nomination by their VOTES, not affirmative action anything.

Now, I still think Hilary was the better candidate, but that's another topic ;-)

Obama earned the nomination. Period.

Jeter,

Just a minor point. Obama may have earned the nomination from the voices of the democrat voters...but the democratic party has not given him anything just yet.

Will he get the nomination? Probably...but the outcome hinges on about 100 votes on the first ballot. The new Zogby/Reuters poll suggests there might be a little unrest by the natives on the reservation. 

As much as it may bother you and Rush, Obama's going to get the nod.  The American people have spoken.

Mostly the democrat voters have spoken...but they don't run the party nomination process.

The Democratic Party cannot prevent Obama from getting the nomination in good faith and the Democratic Party will not prevent Obama from getting the nomination.

Sure they can...and probably not.

I probably did not win Megamillions last night.

That's generally how it works...winners are announced after the game is over.

And when someone wins, it ain't due to skin color.

Tell that to your average fireman or policeman up for a job or promotion.

Science,

Are you telling me that you automatically think that if a person of color receives a promotion that its based on skin color?  What in the world is the basis for your post?

No, but my uncle was captain of Cleveland fire department, and my cousin is a Lt. on the fire department.  They've both witnessed it first hand.

So your anecdotal evidence about one city is an accurate reflection of every police and fire department in the nation.

Ok, now I get it.

Science,

Do your relatives hold the same prejudices that you do?

I don't see it as prejudice.  I see it as a want for equality - not giving something to a certain ethnic group that gives them an edge.

You didn't answer my question.  Judging by your response on a lot of racial issues, its pretty clear you have racial prejudices.  Do your relatives hold the same ones?

I don't speak on behalf of my relatives. I'm not them, so I couldnt say what they do/dont believe in.

If they hold any of the same prejudices you do, neither of them should be in a leadership position of a racially diverse department.

So, you won't speak for your relatives (who are in positions of leadership within these organizations - and if racist, have no reason to be in such a role to begin with), but you will speak for everyone and all circumstances when you say that promotions go to minorities.  Nice.  Not only are you a racist, but you're a hypocrite as well!

What I find disturbing is that you (and possibly your relatives) see someone get a promotion - and the first thing you think about is the color of their skin and whether or not it was an affirmative action promotion, instead of looking at the person's qualifications and work history, which are probably good enough reasons for promotion (and usually are the reasons!). 

You can't speak for the family members you referenced in your post, but you are qualified to speak for all of the nations police and fire fighters because of what the two members of your family told you?

Keep digging Roy.

I don't see it as prejudice. Science

Most racists never do.

What makes you believe there was not an equal shot for everyone here?  If the white guys got the job, don't you think the black folks might think the same thing?  Of course, they would be playing the race card in that case.  Right?

If it is so terrible, how on Earth did your relative even make Captain in the first place?

Science101:  You're ignoring the most common form of Affirmative Action around - legacy.  What do most LA firefighters have in common?  Their fathers were LA firefighters.  What's college and university AA for white folks?  Alumni preferences.

But we just never do seem to hear about that - why not?  Because it cuts too close to home.

Face it - liberals and convervatives both believe in welfare.  Liberals believe it should go to individuals who need it.  Conservatives believe it should go to corporates that deserve it.  Did you read the recent GAO report on how few "American" corporations actually pay income tax?  Do you know the declining percentgage of Federal income tax revenue that comes from corporations?

I also know that oil companies pay more in federal taxes that 75% of of the American public combined. 

Everyone knows that corporations dont pay taxes, and everyone knows that when you increase taxes on them, they pass it on to consumers in the form of increased product prices.  THATS is why we give them tax breaks - to make products cheaper for consumers.  

The only way to curtail that is to put a cap on how much money a corporation can make - but good luck keeping any jobs in the US!