Another Fox "news" talking head trying (and failing completely) to defend the indefensible Jerome Corsi.

Sammon, guess what. The Obama people call Corsi a liar because he *IS* a liar.

Sammon, guess what. The Obama people call Corsi a liar because he *IS* a liar.

Bill Sammon has a problem reconciling that fact, seeing as being a good liar is a Faux News job requirement.  (They gave Alan Colmes a special waiver, so he can be the only Faux News employee who tells the truth....)

The book is being touted as well-researched and even as great "scholarship"...and the author can't even get get freakin' dates that are a matter of public record correct? That has to make you wonder about the unsubstantiated innuendo contained therein as well. At least Corsi is honest in acknowledging his intent to take out Obama as a viable candidate...that's probably the only thing he can't lie about with a straight face.

I was thinking the same thing:

SAMMON: The first thing on that 40-page document that the Obama camp points out is that the author got their wedding date wrong -- the year of their wedding wrong. OK. Well, that's not a good thing, but it doesn't go to the ideology of Obama.

While the date of their wedding itself IS innocuous, the fact that Corsi got it wrong is an indication of a deeper problem.  If he failed on the research necessary to get THAT innocuous fact correct, what possible chance would he have to do all the research necessary to collect enough facts for an accurate depiction of "the ideology of Obama"?

By the way, I urge everyone reading this to go check out my latest review of Orwell's "1985".

Indeed.

Yes, getting the date of someone's marriage wrong is a "relatively innocuous" mistake. However, the flipside of that coin is that it's public record and easily verifiable with the most basic of research techniques.

If Corsi can't bother with that, how is the rest of his book supposed to be taken seriously?

Good job MMFA pointing out the other non-innocuous errors and falsehoods in Corsi's book.

Mr. Sammon is not just any old talking head, but a major-league right wing propagandist of long standing.   Here is his bio, accurate as far as I know, from Wikipedia.  MMFA fans will recognize the Washington Times gig as the mark of a man who has drunk some mighty bad kool aid, and a quick dip into his book, "Stategery",  will really reveal to what kind of whack-job this guy is. 

"Bill Sammon is senior White House correspondent for the Washington Examiner (having left the same position at The Washington Times in February 2006), a political analyst for Fox News Channel, and the author of four New York Times bestsellers: At Any Cost: How Al Gore Tried to Steal the Election; Fighting Back: The War on Terrorism from Inside the White House; Misunderestimated: The President Battles Terrorism, Media Bias and the Bush Haters; and Strategery: How George W. Bush Is Defeating Terrorists, Outwitting Democrats, and Confounding the Mainstream Media. He is a frequent guest on shows like Special Report with Brit Hume, Fox News Sunday and Hannity & Colmes."

Its funny ... almost.  He is not suprised Obama would respond, its just that Obama should not be too harsh, while at the same time he seems to admit that Kerry was slow to respond to his swift boating treatment and it cost him the election. 

The message here is that you will be punished for actually being effective in your response to being smeared.

 

Exactly...somehow Obama is "protesting too much" over being smeared in a book that happens to be a #1 bestseller!  Where do these j*ck*sses come from???

Am I to understand that Kerry's problem is that he didn't fight back and Obama's problem is he did?

Although the Obama camp might seem "heavy-handed" for calling Corsi a "liar", they might be thought of as going easy on him by not calling him a lousy, filthy, lying maggot.

I'd probably go with the later, but then I'm just radical leftist scum.

 

I flipped through one of this guy's apologist-for-Bush books one time in Borders, and it was every bit as amazing as you would expect from the title. It's amazing what some people can believe.

I don't really believe these right wing miscreants believe even 5% of their gutteral utterances. This is how they get PAID. They do not have any moral values. It is all about money.  I believe they would cut their own mothers throat if there was someone willing to pay them to do it. I am quite serious about this. Of course if you tell yourself a lie enough times and long enough, you can start to believe it as well. These people make me almost believe in euthinasia.. I must confess however, that listening to someone say the earth is flat, is entertaining.

Sammon's comment is disingenuous as well, regarding the first item mentioned as the wedding date. That screwup is mentioned in the introduction to the list of lies, as an example of Corsi getting even basic minor facts wrong.

It's only mentioned well down the list (p. 18, I think) in response to Corsi's describing a "banner year" for the Obamas, when they got married and bought a condo. He's got the wrong year for both.That may not seem like sketchy research to the target audience of the book, but is sort of a red flag to the more demanding reader.

You'd think the fwr right would get more competent at propaganda, with all of the practice they've had.I guess if their base is buying the product they're making, why improve it?

 

Sammon says "But there is such a thing as protesting too much."

Hey genius, who decides when there is too much protesting? The same people who decide that Corsis' facts were a "little off". 

Sammon says "And I also think that the blowback from the Obama camp is so heavy-handed and so brutal, calling him a liar, and so on and so forth, that I think that raises some eyebrows that perhaps they're protesting too much."

Hey genius. Corsi lied in his book. Let me protest too much, Corsi lied in his book. HEAVY HANDED and BRUTAL, nice terminology for the sheep to graze on. What exactly are the so ons and so forths? Tomorrow, some dope will call a radio station and use the exact same terms. Or, they may show up here....Evilib, your cue...

.......and Copernicus protested a bit too much also. Now the right wing is attempting to describe Obama as someone that is for the murder of abortion survivors. I never heard him say he is for the killing of insHANNITY ( who is obviously a forcep baby ). It is impossible to take these right wing morons seriously but, one cannot allow their slander and lies go without a correction. Reality and truth are the kriptonite of the right wing and it is amazing how they avoid these at all costs. It is a challenge confronting right wing loons. Disproving a falsehood puts one on the defensive. Go on the offensive; examples: right wingers are not patriotic, are against the troops, are anti religion and are athiests in reality, are for more government, are for higher taxes except for the wealthy, are anti science, they don't believe in dinosaurs, global warming and progress, are pro death, are chronic liars, are closet homos, none of them know who their parents really are, have no morals and let them start disproving these staements starting now.......

 

Nah, I'd rather jump off a cliff on a high horse, and being worthless I'm sure its a matter of no consequence too you.

Sides wasting  time is a right. An essential, sanity enabling, right. One you can complain about as long as you like.

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What a meaningful intellegent post . That really adds alot to the debate .

What a meaningful intellegent post . That really adds alot to the debate .

It's typical of the trolls we have around here with numbers after their names.  Wouldn't you agree, Science101/Columbus1492?  Or how about you, Shoes89?

Should we expect anything else from the FALSE NEWS CHANNEL?

I think I know what went down........

Rupert Murdoch "Hey Bill, thank you for coming in"

Bill Sammon "Of course"

RM "We need you to come on Fox and tout Corsi's book and claim the lies are not as bad as they really are"

BS "Of course. No problem. What are you offering?"

RM "Hows a pat on the head and a doggy bone?"

BS "Wow! You had me at hello. Hey, who's that in the shadows?"

RM "Oh, Fox security. Just in case."

Nice name calling when you own ABC, CBS, NCC, MSNBC, CNN, NYT, ect.

So big freaking deal, we have ONE source that cons agree with... you can have the rest and all the crap ratings, our source is #1 with a bullet and smokin all the lefties together...

Get a grip and go watch all your "truth" telling from your lib media...

Even the non-part group that monitors content had to agree this week the the fav coverage for BOH was way more then they had expected. Numbers do not lie, but MMA does.

What are they lying about? Please, cite specific examples here.

And as others have said, just because some journalists decided to do their jobs, and take down a hatchet job of a book, this doesn't make the media any more liberal than it was before.

I can tell what kind of person that you might be, just from the fact that you've not thought for yourself on this, and used the initials BHO to represent Senator Obama. Any objective review of Mr. Corsi's book will show it to be full of misinformation, lies, innuendo, and just bad writing.

Of course the lying GOOPers will pull out their big-gun liars. Of course the liars will claim that the opposition "protests too much". Selling Corsi's lies during round 2008 is turning out to be more work and costing a whole lot more than these damned liars were anticipating. Even though Matilin is distancing herself from Corsi, and Hannity has had to pull in a big gun liar to minimize Corsi's lies (by careful selection), it is important to recognize that these right-wing liars are just rolling up their sleeves and getting more lies started. 

Some of these lying b*st*rds are going to make a lot of money before the election. Until there is some tangible way to hold the damned liars accountable, the lying won't stop.

I actualy HAVE taken the time, and I feel now WASTED it, to read Obama's horid book that is so full of hate for white people and our nation that it makes me ill that you good folks here could actualy support this man. I have read many posts here about how bad cons are and how we hate this and that, but geez, Obama hates AMERICA, and that includes you also.

Can you blame him?  I mean, have you SEEN us?  Disgusting, people, each and every one.  That's why I support Obama.

We need a candidate who recognizes the repulsive refuse that we are, not one who can't see what dregs of humanity all of us have become.  While McCain is pandering to us, telling us what we want to hear, treating us as equals, Obama is treating us with the disdain we deserve, talking over our heads and using big words and nuance so that we don't understand him.  He's the candidate that knows that what we really want is to be able to ignore all the issues and turn our attention back to "Big Brother" and "Girls Next Door".

I find it hard to believe that you Obama-haters can't understand that.

mgarnett251924,

You are being funny....right?  I own and have read both Obama's books.... how exactly does one come to the conclusion that Obama hates white people?

Did you really read either book? Or are you being just another rightwing slime-thrower like Science101 or DAWUSS?

Try reading the books again.... only this time.... turn off FoxNoise while your reading.

I also add......

How does one come to the conclusion that Obama hates his country as well? Or his supporters... like me?

Only a self-hating person living in a fantasy rightwing world can be so clouded in judgement about a man that is trying his hardest to find a common ground for all of us! Grow up!

And folks, it does appear that you now have another new cariacature of a right wing nut coming into our ranks. Not a problem of course.

I have to agree with you. How does our new right wing zealot commenter get from Obama's books that he hates white people? How does our new commenter get that Obama hates America? Please, to the original poster, as I asked about your other post, cite some specific examples of this. You said that you have the books, so it shouldn't be too hard to come up with America hating passages in there, and or some sort of racist diatribe about "killing and hating whitey" from Obama.

Then again, I'm pretty sure that the basic facts will escape the original poster.

Funny: isn't Sammon's point exactly the same as Bohelert's point in the piece immediately above this?  That Corsi's lies are basically harmless?  So why is Boehlert praised by media matters and sammon is denounced?

I don't believe that was Boehlert's point at all.

Boehlert: "But in terms of affecting the race, in terms of gumming up the works for the Obama campaign, the book has so far been a bust."

 

They're not harmless lies. Based on the press that he's been getting, and based upon the result of his last anti Democrat tirade in 2004. It's the fact that Obama and others have taken apart Corsi's assertions that now make them less harmless, not the lies themselves.

I do not see the distinction you are making between the lies not being harmless and the assertions being rendered "less harmful" (which I assume is what you meant to write instead of "less harmless")

Corsi misstated the date of the Obama's wedding.  This what Sammon referenced and it is a minor detail.

The Obama camp is attacking the messenger (Dr. Corsi) because they can not dispute the substance of the book.  They can only chip on the very periphery (i.e. the date of a wedding).

Team Obama has not disputed any specific allegation.  If they could they would - instead they attack Dr. Corsi.  Since they do not dispute the specifics details, I can only assume that they are true.

As it turned out, Dr. Corsi and teh Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were telling the truth about Kerry.  Dr. Corsi has hundreds and hundreds of footnotes documenting his sources.  Obama has not disputed ONE SINGLE FOOTNOTE.

I purchased the book on early order.  I loved it.  It is a great read.  I doubt any of you folks blasting the book have actually read it.  I have.  If you haven't read the book, then you are not qualified to critique it.

Dr. Corsi saved ths nation from a Kerry presidency by exposing Kerry.  He is now saving us from an "Obama Nation" by exposing Obama.

God bless Dr. Jerome Corsi!!!!

Reading Corsi's book is like looking for brain food in a fetid garbage dump. All the scraps are foul and appealing only to rats.

Wow!!!

 

I have to ask, when did you stop taking drugs?

 

I think you should book yourself into Betty Ford PDQ as l hear that self harm can be a very bad thing. 

Where do you sick bastards come from?

BJF  Iseethat you are nothing but a far RIGHT WING FOOL. CORSI SAVED US FROM A KERRY PRESIDENCY SO WE COULD HAV 4 MORE YEARS OF BUSH AND HIS GARBAGE?  You definitly have your head up your backside.

This is the RIGHT WING SLIME MACHINE at work. Their job is simple,smear, lie or discredit any DEMOCRATIC candidate  or anyone who disagrees with their FAR RIGHT WING views.  There is no room for dissent with this bunch of clowns.

    MGARNETTE251924, By reading Obama's books, how in the WORLD could you come to the conclusion that he hates America? I am venturing to say you didn't read them. Or you have lost the ability to think for yourself, and you are relying on others to interpret it for you. The problem with that, is WHOSE interpretation are you trusting?

    And let's just say, for argument's sake, he was critical of America. I know in the Wingnut world, criticizing means dissent, which equals treason, but lets be real for a moment. He saw America has some problems, and whether or not you agree (how can you not?), this man decided to dedicate his LIFE to helping to solve America's problems. Instead of, say, ignoring them, and just focusing on himself and his family, or just leaving this country he supposedly hates.

    So, please learn to use your brain, because, from what I can tell, he loves this country more than you. You have a job as a citizen to be critical-minded, and seek the truth, and you aren't even doing THAT. Take your America hate elsewhere.

BOBBY JINDAL FAN, you can't be serious? Did you JUST wake up out of your Fox-induced coma? Okay, here goes. Let us fill you in on all the stuff you missed while you were dancing with Bill O'Reilly in your braindead state:

Sammon referenced the wedding date to support his lie that the details Corsi got wrong were harmless. If he would have picked any of the other NUMEROUS errors that Corsi got wrong, he would not have been able to make that claim. So, he picked the most "harmless" detail, to say they were ALL harmless. He is counting on the fact that you will not do YOUR homework, and check out the facts, and just believe HIM. Not to mention that if he messed up this one EASILY VERIFIABLE fact, does that not make you at least wonder if he got anything else wrong?

Yes, Obama camp is attacking the messenger. He is a liar, has a motive. He has lied in the past, which in the REAL world, should disqualify him from any more work as a credible author, and would have him reduced being a hack for some right-wing propaganda source, with even no credibility at all. Oh, wait...never mind.

Media Matters, John Kerry's site (TruthFightsBack.com) Obama's site (Fightthesmears.com) and MANY other sources do, IN FACT, dispute many specific allegations. And the best part is, they do it with REAL FACTS. Not just half-truthes and manipulation, like Sammon (or any other right-wing source). You see, they lay it all out, for you to see the truth, not just give you whatever cherry-picked half-facts that prove their point.

Again, I know you have been in a coma for a while, and this is a lot to digest, but Corsi and all the Swift-Boat Vets were all proved wrong, and were not telling the truth in the least when it cam to Kerry. That is a fact. I know you will not hear that from Fox News, as they generally are not in the business of reporting facts, especially if it is contrary to their agenda.

Scores of footnotes proves nothing. The quality and validity of the footnotes is how you determine credibility. I am going to go out on a limb, and assume you graduated high school, at least. Well, I'm sure your teacher taught you to find RELIABLE sources for you papers. So, instead of just taking, say, the Janitor's word on something, you should probably go find a World Book Encyclopedia. Same for Corsi. Most of his "footnotes" are nothing but right-wing sites (i.e., unreliable), as well as siting his OWN work! He could also write a well-documented book, with hundreds of footnotes, about how the world is flat, and it would not be any more true.

I am glad you enjoyed the book. However, a child in Kindergarten would enjoy The Cat in the Hat, hopefully much more than a college graduate would, or at least on a different level. Like Corsi's book, The Cat in the Hat is Fiction, and will likely only be enjoyed with those of childlike intellect. (I apologize to both Dr. Suess and kindergartners. A mild reference point was all that was intended).

Sadly, I hate to sound judgemental, as Matthew 7:1 warns against that, but if we examine Mr. Corsi's actions, and compare them to the laws set forth by the Bible, we can logically derive that Mr. Corsi will have a reservation in the toastiest condo, with a lake-of-fireside view, for all eternity. In Hell.

Just because this issue keeps visiting FREEPERS posting misinformation,

<a href="http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/FINALPICKENSLETTERFROMCREW.pdf">Here's the 12 page letter from Kerry's crew members responding to Pickens in detail</a>

"In 12 pages, plus a 42-page attachment of military records and other documents, they identified not just one but ten lies in the group’s campaign against Mr. Kerry. They offered to meet with him to provide Mr. Kerry’s journals and videotapes from Vietnam and a copy of his full military record certified by the Navy – a key demand of Mr. Pickens and veterans who believe Mr. Kerry lied about his service to win his military decorations."

While I admire Pickens' business skills, and think his wind/natural gas energy plan is pretty compelling, he's the kind of guy who will never stand by his word, especially a public bet.  He needs to pay up the $1 million and get back to business.  It's will be a tax deductible donation, so he has nothing to lose.

NEO-

I must commend you on at least making a substantive argument which is more than most liberals can do.  You are completely wrong in everything you say.  I have checked for myself almost all of Dr. Corsi's footnotes and find his research to be very solid.  Simply because you do not like a particular source does not mean it is not true. 

I don't like the NY Times.  To me it is not a credible source, but I would venture to opine that probably 25% of what they say is true.  For instance, the Yankees did indeed lose last night!!!  Am am operating under the assumption that you have not bookmared World Net Daily, but your distaste for the site does not mean everything on it is inaccurate.

It seems to be that these days the National Enquirer is a more credible source than the NY Times.  The Enquirer was right about Edwards while the NYT did  not mention it.  The NYT however had an allegeed McCain affair front cover above the fold and this story proved completely unfounded.  NO bias there whatsoever.  The National Enquirer is at least apolitical.

The mainstream media will not do its job.  They will not investigate Obama's past, so the job is left to Dr. Corsi.  Barry Obama is simply a think-skinned whiner.  Oh, sorry, I mentioned his skin - I guess that makes me racist.

I do commend you for at least making a substantive argument.  Unlike most of the high school dropouts on the site, your argument was at least well constructed and made sense.  Most of the genius braniacs here simply call me names.  THey call me a facist and a Nazi.  They say I am on drugs.  They ask when I stopped taking drugs.  I ask them when did they stop beating their wife.  This is juvenile kindergarten stuff.

I at least believe you went to college unlike the vast majority of name-callers here.

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 Do you folks, think it is acceptable to kill a baby who has born born alive and breathing on his own after he survives an abortion?  Obama does.

UPDATE:

Not only is Jerome Corsi a liar, he's also a swindler:

Failed venture follows anti-Obama author

'95 investors sour over $1.2m deal

By Brian C. Mooney
Globe Staff / August 20, 2008

Bradley Amundson was at home in Minneapolis two weeks ago when a familiar face appeared on his television screen. It was Jerome Corsi - a blast from a humiliating time in Amundson's past. "I said: 'Hey, there's Corsi; what's he doing on TV?' " Amundson recalled.

Corsi was on a cable show, promoting his new anti-Barack Obama book, "The Obama Nation," but Amundson knows him in a very different context. Corsi, Amundson, and James M. "Mel" Rockefeller of Arizona were principals of a group that launched an investment venture in Poland in 1995 that eventually lost about $1.2 million, much of it raised from a group of about 20 Minnesota investors, Amundson said.

In his varied career as best-selling author, conservative journalist, and outspoken polemicist, Corsi has become one of the nation's most controversial political provocateurs. But the business deal that went sour before he became famous has made him the target of bitter criticism.

Corsi's role as investor is perhaps the least known of his several careers. And 13 years after the Poland deal, the fingers of blame are still wagging. At least two of those investors won court judgments in sep arate cases filed in courts in Hennepin and Dodge counties in Minnesota against Corsi and his two partners to recoup a portion of the money lost in the Poland deal, but they never collected from Corsi.

"It was basically a worthless document," said one of those investors, David Splittstoesser, a cement contractor from Rochester, Minn. When his lawyer tried to collect, he found Corsi's assets "had been moved into his wife's name . . . There was nothing to get out of him," Splittstoesser told the Globe.

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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/08/20/failed_venture_follows_anti_obama_author/

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