You mean like the part where he plagarized Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?

Yeah, and John Kerry saw a Buddist priest make the sign of the cross and singing carols of the season, during his Christmas excursion into Cambodia.  You know the one Nixon sent him on before he became president.

Oh oh, somebody has a poopy dypee again! No link wonder thought he was soooo clever!

I'll help him out since this was a good one!

Kerry's Christmas Cambodia cruise!

I think the difference between MMfA's header and Kerry is McCain is not retelling the Vietnam experience at EVERY speech like Kerry did.  

Kerry mentioned it so often he became a caritcture of himself.  

That's caricature...man we need an edit button...

Heeey, I can do that too! Oops for you though...

Conclusions? Beats me. Kerry has mentioned this story several times, so it's not a slip of the tongue. And it's plausible on its surface. Contrariwise, the evidence against him is pretty thin: not much more than the fact that no one else has verified it — and keep in mind that the Swift Vets guys are not exactly disinterested witnesses in this matter. What's more, since there is exactly zero in the way of documentary evidence one way or the other, it seems unlikely that this little teapot-sized tempest will ever be conclusively resolved. Which, I suppose, suits Kerry's detractors just fine.

Soooooo...this proves what?  It still boils down to Kerry's word against who.  No one else has VERIFIED it.  I would think that SOMEONE would have come out of the woodwork by now.  Don't you?  

Well, it may depend on whether or not that information is still classified, wouldn't it? Unless I'm mistaken the government position is still denying that we actively made incursions into Cambodia, so yes. It very may well boil down to his word against a group who have basically been proven to be liars.

i think you're mistaken Snoop.  The US has long acknowledged our presence in Cambodia.  They had too.  There were congressional hearings in 1973 that exposed the cross border missions. The missions were code named "Daniel Boone" and "Salem House" and were both under the larger umbrella of MACV Studies and Observation Group (SOG).  

While Kerry may have operated CLOSE  to the Cambodian border there is NO evidence he went into Cambodia.  By the time Salem House missions were given the green light to go deep into Cambodian territory Kerry's THREE month Vietnam tour was long over.  

Another little problem with Kerry's story is that most (not all) of Salem House insertions were done by UH-1H's.  That is Huey to the unwashed.  Not a Cambodian boat ride as Kerry tried to have us believe.  

Another good review and it has a shipmate who doesn't remember things like Kerry! 

Kerry and Cambodia

One more nail in the coffin: pay attention to what his Commanding Officers say

 

Uh... From my POV, I think you've got that backwards.  I don't believe I heard that story much at all coming from Kerry.  (I won't say I NEVER heard, but I don't really remember it.)  OTH it's about ALL I hear about Johnny Mac.  That and that he's supposed to be a maverick (but clearly isn't) are about all I REALLY KNOW about the guy.  I guess it just depends on where you get your info...

FYI: Kerry is not running. Who cares.

Was your unit ever sent somewhere and you weren't sure of the exact location. If so, please explain.

Were you ever deployed somewhere and years later remembered the date wrong? If so, please explain.

He would have to have served first. Rest assured PC never picked up a rifle in uniform.

Never ceases to amaze me how all of the whiners about what someone did or didn't do in uniform, never wore one.

Unless we start counting Wendy's or McDonald's uniforms.

That's a little disrespectful, Worrierking. Some of these young people serving under Dave Thomas will bear acne scars for the rest of their lives, or at least until they reach adulthood, just for providing you the freedom to enjoy Jr. Bacon Cheesburgers .

And the kids working at Wendy's provide a useful service, unlike Nothing-To-Be-Proud-Of Conservative.

the freedom to enjoy Jr. Bacon Cheesburgers

And what could be more American than that? :)

You know nothing about Buddhism.  Kerry likely did see a Cambodian Buddhist making the sign of the cross and so on.

You know nothing about Buddhism. 

There's a world of things PC knows nothing about.  Except what he gets from his right-wing "news sources"....

You mean like the part where he plagarized Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn?

I guess Gramps McCain has something in common with noted plagiarist Jerome Corsi.....

Wouldn't it be nice though to hear something about Obama's biography?

Yeah, good point, PC. After all, we don't know if he was born in Hawaii, or if he was raised by a single mother, or if he lived in Indonesia, or even if he went to college or not.

Heck, he could have been enrolled in a radical islamic madrassa, for all we know!

He's a complete mystery...

Buy it and read it. The conservative media ain't about to give it free air time like they do to Exxon John (AKA songbird).

"Wouldn't it be nice though to hear something about Obama's biography?" - ProudConservative

Oh, PC, Obama's biography is pretty well known.  But how much do you know about yer man's biography?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/opinion/17rich.html?_r=1&oref=slogin - noted line: "the public doesn’t know who on earth John McCain is".

Wouldn't it be nice though to hear something about Obama's biography?

Which one are you promoting - the one Obama wrote, or the one yo' bitches wrote?

Like the constant condemnation of Obama for terrible things ... like growing up in Hawaii?

Hah!  Good one.  I hadn't heard about that before.

Is anyone else bothered by the fact that neither the MSM or even MMFA are taking seriously the fact that McCain LIED about the 'cone of silence' at Saddleback?

Even MMFA is ignoring how the media is spinning this story as a 'joke' or a crank issue, and allowing the Republican Party to strong-arm CNN and NBC about not covering it.

This, folks, is an example of the reason why Dems LOSE-- because they are IDIOTS who don't know how to fight-- or care enough to.

One can only imagine what would have happened if it had been Obama who hadn't arrived yet until after the questions were asked. 

Obama gave actual thoughtout answers. McCain simply quoted James Dobson.  Notice McCain couldn't stay focused long enough to give more than a one sentence answer?

Is anyone else bothered by the fact that neither the MSM or even MMFA are taking seriously the fact that McCain LIED about the 'cone of silence' at Saddleback?

The same way no one in the MSM ever looked into those supicious "bulges" beneath Bush's suit jacket during the 2004 debates....

if it was a receiver, why would it have to be so large.  why wouldn't they just put it under his arm, or on his chest.  where would the wire go.  where is the speaker. 

************TIN FOIL HAT ALERT****************

NO conspiracy.  Both candidates got an advance look at some of the questions and subject matter.  

Warren spokesman on advace answers

So now it's the Barry "Soetorro" Obama camp that's spreading LIES about this forum. 

S Adria Mitchell got the lie from lib blogs

Baltimore sun artilce on A Mitchell

 

Carlileb:

 In response to your questions:
1.  Yes
2.  Yes
3.  Find new jobs for the failing journalists

hahaha, just kidding, but thats just about what McCain said (insert teachers for journalists).  You should look up the exact transcripts from McCain's education forum if you haven't already.  Seems kind of fishy. 

But then again, McCain's education policy featuring vouchers is so tried and UNtrue.  So New Orleans schools improved after Katrina?  After being closed for part or all of the year, I would hope test scores would be higher when students actually get a full year of classes to learn.  Vouchers had nothing to do with that improvment.

you are such fools.  do you really think they would lie about the cone of silence. how stupid can you be.  they had to know most of the questions that would be coming anyway.  mccain doesn't need prompting, and obama could not do any better with all manner of prompting.

This 'forum' should never have occurred anyway.  It's a conservative endrun around the Constitutional prohibition against a religious test to hold office.

I was extremely uncomfortable during the questioning and even Obama's answers regarding his religious beliefs. Being "saved" by Jesus should be as personal as your bathroom breaks but here it is, splayed on the tube like pandering fools. Deliver us from this evil, please.

 

It doesn't matter what we think they would do. What matters is what they did.

Sands, I'm with you halfway. I'd guess that Grampy was allowed to listen in to Obama's segment before he went on, but I don't think it should be made an issue.

His answers were lame talking points and slogans, except when they weren't self-aggrandizing war stories. Accusing him of being "too well prepared" is flattering.This was an event tailor-made for the GOP candidate to pander to the JesusLand base,and all Grampy had to do was read from the playbook. 

I'd guess that Grampy was allowed to listen in to Obama's segment before he went on, but I don't think it should be made an issue.

Why in the world not?

Let's see, at the very least he violated the ground rules by not being there on time. Then he (they) lied about being in the 'cone.' Then they admitted they were in a motorcade, but not listening-- but then refused to say whether he had access to any of the questions some other way, as with a Blackberry.

Meanwhile, he's praised for his performance, while Obama looks like Dukakis II.

Tell me: are Dems stupid, or are they just crazy? 

Carlib, more backhanded swipes at the Dems and Obama..When will you be satisfied that this is the Democratic ticket? Everyone agrees that it is though to control the Republican slime. Remember, the real election cycle is just beginning.

The Obama campaign is fighting back with ads and he is stumping around. My question to you is, "How do you think the slimers should be fought?" And this campaign team will unleash THEIR ATTACKS.

And no, your Dukakis comment is way off base. And no, Dems are not stupid. Thinking THAT WAY is why Dems could lose.

to answer your questions, yes they are stuck on stupid, and yes they are crazy.

SSSands, once again, you are right as right can be.

SSSands, remind me again, which professional defensive line would McCain tell the N.Vietnamese were his squadron mates? When he was in Pittsburgh, he said the Steelers...but didn't he also say the Packers?

And lest we forget, his charming death remark about the Chinese dying from smoking. I think it was the Chinese. 

it was Iran, but never let factual accuracy or at a least a reasonable interpretation prevent you from ranting...

Missdee, Why are you attacking me? What is wrong about what I posted? I am just trying to express a point. McCain is running for the highest office in the land and there are somethings just not right about him. My wife wants to know why you are saying such nasty things about me. I will explain further my comment but I have changed my travels arrangements. I am not a liberal. I am voting for Snoopy and the Big Dog party. Got run, David Duke is on the other line.

***from Click and Clack** SIGNED,

Paul Murky, Murky Research. Official researcher for any Corsi book.

P.S. I notice you left out the football RANT? Why? Haven't the morons told you on the radio? Or did Seannie the Sissy not mention it?

P.S. #2...Since our research MAY be wrong, can you explain to us RANTERS why he thought killing people was funny. Very Republicanish presidential of Sen. McTalkee.

 

 Sen. John McCain cited his refusal to accept an early release from a North Vietnamese prison camp.

Was that because his brainwashing wasn't complete?  How can we be sure he's not a Manchurian Candidate?  Anyone want to write a book about that? 

Personally, I commend his service, but it pales in comparison to Kerry, who had to actually confront the enemy while McCain blasted away at them from 5,000 feet in the air.

the vietnamese didn't nickname him songbird for his ability to carry a tune. He broke faster than a cheap chinese toy.

Foghorn posted:

Personally, I commend his service, but it pales in comparison to Kerry, who had to actually confront the enemy while McCain blasted away at them from 5,000 feet in the air.

I'm happy you at least commend McCains service but to then impugn all US Airmen by suggesting that that flying missions into enemy territory is somehow not "confronting the enemy" is outrageous on it's face and just plain dumb.  

Here are some facts you can mull over to clear your thinking: 

Route Pack 6

It's a computer game but the historical record is accurate

Overview of Naval Operations in Vietnam to include aircrew losses

The point is aircrews face AAA threats, SAM threats, and attacks by MIGs:

I don't like to link to Wiki, but there is good gouge here.  Pay attention to A4 losses

McCain's Naval career was between '58-'81.

Kerry's Naval career was between '66-70.  

For the sake of arguement let's aree that both men walked into the lions den.  McCain even has the scar's of battle to show for it.  

I thought McCain refused an early release because he wasn't done SINGING to his captors!

And why oh why could Douglas MacArther smear JFK accusing him of receiving favorable treatment when, in MacArthur's opinion JFK should have been court martialed for losing his plywood PT boat but McCain gets a free pass for having lost one of the world's most advanced multi-million dollar fighter jets?

Won't be seeing any books promoted about McCain's FAILURE as a fighter pilot NOR his REVEALING SECRETS to his captors while incarcerated!!!

 John Kerry stood in front of bullets, shot back and killed his adversary. And was roundly smeared in the corporate media for it.

Now for something completely different.....

Here's the start of the story of Obama's strong connection to the radical left....

http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng42.html#anchor792932

http://www.chicagodsa.org/ngarchive/ng45.html#anchor1078925

And in case you know not of the CDSA..

http://www.chicagodsa.org/Wherewe.html

I agree Proud, it's time Barry "Soetorro" O, answer some questions about his radical left background:

Chicago library Documents