I met a woman in high school too.  One night, she went out into the street and yelled at sandsshistybuff for star gazing.  He's never been the same.  He wandered around in a daze, listening to silly radio hosts whose only talent comes by denying basic facts and name calling. 

Oddly enough, that's just what the right wing was looking for, so a number of strange people bankrolled the right wing attack machine and gave employment to the wretched refuse on our teaming shores.  The rest is history.

do you mean teeming shores.

 might try getting an education, but at a private school.

btw, when is the last time you saw any stars to gaze at.  too much light pollution.

Kid, really, why are you here?

Here's a helpful hint: When snarkily criticizing someone's spelling mistakes, you might want to check your own post for grammar before hitting the "post" key. Or are your shift and question mark keys missing?

I was thinking that too.  However, that would be teaming up on him ;-)

That's a team I can see myself a part of.

if i hit the cap key, or the question mark key, my computer throws me for a loop.  so i type like archie, of archie and mehitabel, although i use commas and periods.

And I suppose you have some equally lame and nonsensical excuse for all your fragmented sentences? I couldn't care less about your writing style, but if correcting someone's spelling is your only rebuttal, then you should take the plank out of your own eye first.

Clams!!! A Biblical allusion from a non-Conservative??? Aren't we all, at least according to Ann Couter, "Godless"?

Really? I thought you typed like archie too. Archie Bunker.

if i hit the cap key, or the question mark key, my computer throws me for a loop

Sands, I've got the webcam on, and I think I see your problem.The basement's pretty damp, and you may have a short.Throw some of those dessicant packs on the floor.

Oh, and MOm says dinner's almost ready, and pick up your 1920s comic books.

OK, I won't paste another pic, but while finding the other picture,I found this, for anybody who wants a glimpse into 2004...

Plus, one should not end a sentence in a preposition, although the practice is being more widely accepted.

CORRECTION:  When was the last time you saw any stars (at which) to gaze?

"might try getting an education, but at a private school."

Careful -- talk about going to a private school and conservatives might brand you an elitist. 

But only if you're a liberal/progressive who goes to a private school.

IOKIYAR 

Uh, Sand, . . . . er, Historybuff, . . . I mean, Science . .  whatever: You might want to end an interrogative sentence with a question mark. And use capital letters to begin sentences. Oh, hell, what do I know? I'm just one of those greedy, overpaid English teachers sitting around all summer staring at my retirement account statement. Anyway, I guess I wasted the past weeks working on syllabi and lesson plans, since  am 55 and just found out, to my great surprise, that I can retire. Right -- in 10 years, maybe.

do not confuse me with Science.  He takes you seriously.  Does anyone here know Archie and Mehitabel.  I guess not.

i do, and i agree, you're a cockroach.

No -- I am just a lazy, overpaid, left-leaning English teacher. What would I know about poetry? However, I do think that you must mean "Archy and Mehitabel". Does your computer f*** up when you hit the "y" key, also?

"No -- I am just a lazy, overpaid, left-leaning English teacher."

   I hope you're not one of those unionized teachers who is trying to teach our children about global warming using the liberal lies that Gore pushes. You know, the ones that are illegal to use in the British school system because of the lies and fearmongering. Actually, you better not be teaching or even mentioning global warming in english class what-so-ever. But, being that you are a left-leaner, I suspect you do claim factuality in a subject you know only what Gore tells you to know. That's the trouble with today's school system...too many teachers teaching subjects they know NOTHING about. But, those are probably just the unionized ones. All the rest of the teachers have to work for a living.

   Leave teaching global warming to those who actually KNOW what they're talking about. We don't need HS teachers teaching subjects they learn from hacks and misinformants. You can teach your own kids that bunk, if you want, but don't teach it to anyone else. Not on MY dime, anyway.

Why do you hate teachers so much?  And by hating teachers, you then must hate our education system.  And by hating our education system, you must hate the government.  And by hating the government, you must be anti-American.  Therefore, you are disregarded as such.

"Leave teaching global warming to those who actually KNOW what they're talking about."

Uh, right... like dumbass talk radio hosts such as this one and Limbaugh? I'd like to see their credentials and their degrees in climatology while we're at it.

Whatever you say, Phil... keep on sucking up that koolaid.

" Actually, you better not be teaching or even mentioning global warming in english class what-so-ever."

Well, I believe the science and even if the data is misunderstood, reducing fuel consumption and reducing the amount of pollution poured into our air is only a good thing.

What do you stand to lose if kids learn about global warming? Nothing.

What do you stand to gain if kids aren't taught the science of global warming? Nothing.

"What do you stand to lose if kids learn about global warming? Nothing."

   What do you stand to lose if you teach your kids math like this; 1+1=4 or 3/4= .290   What is lost is the truth and facts. If you want to teach your kids falsehoods and myths, then teach them at home. Let them read mmfa articles. If you want to teach them facts and truths, then a HS teacher is not the source to go to. I do not want some left wing zealot with an agenda teaching my kids anything about global warming. If they are going to learn about it, I want it taught by impartial authorities who don't have an agenda.

"What do you stand to gain if kids aren't taught the science of global warming? Nothing."

   What did you learn in school about global warming? How much do you know about it now? Perhaps they don't need to learn about it in school. Perhaps that time could be better spent teaching them math/english/history.

"I believe the science and even if the data is misunderstood,"

  That's what makes you a good liberal. You will believe whatever they tell you, no matter what it is...as long as they tell you to believe it, you will. When you get a better grip on reality and learn a little about this subject why don't you rejoin us. Maybe, if you start thinking for yourself you might find some more truths to the matter. Or, just go back to HS and let the unionized teachers continue telling you what to think. It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, as long as you are told to believe it, you will.

   Is that how you make other decisions in your life? Wow, what a good liberal you are.

This douchebag is right.  After I'm done undoing whatever (crackhead-anti-authority-Oakland-Raiders-fanatic-second-hand-weed-smoking-Hannah-Montana-worshipping-X-box-imagination-drained-self-baby-sitting-bad-diet-child-smoking-health) issues and related notions that might afflict my students, nothing validates my self-worth or justifies my huge teacher's salary like talking to the kids about GLOBAL WARMING despite it not being a part of my state's adopted curriculum at all. 

I'm sick of so-called conservatives opining on what teachers are doing "politically" when they never take the time to visit their kids' schools.  It needs to be said: most teachers worth their salt are too busy undoing the damage done at home by cognitively negligent parents to waste time "putting condoms on cucumbers" or "talking about global warming" or "telling Johnny that Susie has two mothers and that's okay".  One teacher does something deemed politically incorrect or politically correct and all of a sudden every teacher is doing this or that and "political correctness is out of control". 

I get really tired of the same old "know it all" baloney that comes from people out of their element in a discipline (i.e. "Left field") in the teaching world. I teach physical sciences- you know- the world of Newton, Lord Kelvin, and so on as opposed the soft sciences - e.g. Oprah and Dr. Phil..

It really irks me that this same sort of "teaching" from the pre-programmed left academics who think because they are teachers that they know everything on every subject. Al Gore is an example of this, although he's hardly a teacher.

I'd challenge Al Gore to explain something within his so called "field" of global warming expertise,  from just a scientific principle standpoint to see if he knows his stuff. Let's see if he can expoound on something relevant to global warming such as the Osanger reciprocal relationship applied to the second law of thermodynamics.

 And before all you "enlightened eltists" go googling and come back with your own delusional version of your understanding of it, Lars Osanger won the Nobel prize in the 1960's for this work. It involves a lot of statistical mechanics and very little dialogue , so before you spout off,  you should  brush up on your numerical methods of analysis and integral calculus first. I'm sure all you liberal  sociologists and englsh teachers will have no problem with it. lol  Stick with being the spelling and grammar cops where you're ahead of the game.

 

 

oh my! So authoritative, so intimidating. Never again should any of us question your intellectual superiority, we shall defer to your interpretation of all things scientific.

Okay, Miss Dee. As you wish. The word "English" is a proer pronoun and begins with a capital "E". I can't seem to find my official grammar cop badge, but I am tempted to haul in both you and Archie.

did you proof read your own text before you clicked the post button? LOL

I believe the Brits use a phrase that goes like this- "hoisted by their own petard"...

P.S.  Just in case you're too blinded by your own brilliance to notice,  the word "English" is a noun, not a pronoun, and you mis-spelled the word "proper".. You get a definite D-minus in being a  grammar / spelling cop.

The phrase is "hoist by [one's ] own petard. English is a proper adjective. You are a pompous ass.

Actually, to clarify, English is a proper adjective if used before a noun (as you did), but a proper noun, as in "the king's English". Either way, it is capitalized. Leaving out a letter is a typo. Repeataed errors in punctuation, capitalization, and usage are grammatical errors. Again, Ms. Sands/Dee, you are a pompous ass.

What the heck?? Why in the world would I teach about global warming in English class? Have you ever been in an English classroom? I have enough to do to try to teach critical reading and strong writing skills to students. I can not read the tone of your post. My first assumption was that you are trying to be funny? If not, I feel sorry for your children's teachers. Do you dictate their curriculum?

Damn it, Jim, I'm an English teacher, not a scientist. 

 

I couldn't tell for sure, Philib, if you were sarcastically pointing out all the fascistic stupidities of right-wingers when it comes to education and science (there should be no academic freedom, I as a taxpayer should have line-item veto power over your job description, teachers aren't valuable members of society to be respected, etc.), or if you really believe what you wrote. If it was the former, good job!

Sands -- when you say "Do no confuse me with Science" are you suggesting that you are literally -- physically -- not the same person? Or are you differentiating between "Sands" and your alter egos? I mean, "Sands", "History", "Science", "Colonel", "Archie" (sic) . . . Isn't there a term for this kind of identity confusion?

Oh -- and glad that you got that pesky shift key to work at least part of the time.

we are not the same person, physically.

Oh, great. Another Michael Weiner-style hateful, raving old bastard. Not only is this guy psychotic, but he's seriously delusional if he's calling teachers "overpaid". If not for talk radio, these guys would be yelling this crap on street corners from behind a sandwich board reading "REPENT".

How dare teachers expect a living wage, health care and a pension in return for dedicating their careers to educating our children and providing our nation with a literate workforce from which American enterprise and capitalism profits and thrives.

They’ve got a lot of nerve, don’t they?

might try getting an education, but at a private school.

Like it would matter. The U.S. would still be , on average, dumber than many European countries with their socialized public education.

Global Climate Change is real.  High School teachers mostly know this, unlike paid shills with little wit and big mouths.

"Global Climate Change is real.  High School teachers mostly know this,"

   Oh? And, which direction is the change going now? Perhaps your favorite HS teacher ought to stick to teaching spelling and grammar. Maybe you ought to have them teach PE, and get some of these porky kids active. I guess that would be asking too much from a teacher, huh? Provide an education AND physical fitness.

   Either way, HS teachers are NOT qualified to teach anything about global warming. Any more than I'm qualified to build a space ship. Leave teaching global warming to experts not opinionated, unionized misinformants.

 unionized misinformants.

I think there are some high school issues you still have to work through.

   I don't have any issues with HS. I did ok (b- average). They did not teach anything about global warming, yet I know as much about it as the next guy. And, anything I don't know is only a few keystrokes away.

   What do you have against HS where you want social studies/ english lit/ music classes to be denied a student so they have the chance to study about global warming? I guess it isn't ME who has the "issues" with HS. It is YOU who wants english lit or music classes denied to a deserving student so they can learn something that is readily available on any computer.

   You are a typical liberal. You want students to learn your moral compass and not learn basic knowledge, like music or english lit or history.

So is Belling qualified to yack about it then?

Phil:  you're completely excluding any mention of science in your rant.  Is this because you know that you're dead wrong about global warming and any competent scientist--even those with only a BA or a BS--can show this?

"Is this because you know that you're dead wrong about global warming and any competent scientist--even those with only a BA or a BS--can show this?"

   What am I dead wrong about?? You didn't answer the question, neither has any other liberal at this site. Are you saying I'm dead wrong for asking a simple global warming question? Please provide some details as to which direction the global warming process is going and please provide proof that it isn't cyclical (sp?). Are you incapable of answering? Get some help from your local HS teacher and ask.

Hurray for Mark Belling!

Teachers are telling our kids that we are to blame for global warming and that we’re killing the polar bears. That’s total rubbish and it’s not the business of the teachers to sell a leftwing agenda to our kids.

I personally doubt global warming in the first place (look at this summer, one of the mildest.) Also, where were all the Hurricanes last season?

secondly, the assertion that global warming is manmade is poppycock until it is proven. (Which it hasn’t been btw.)

Not this again.  You know how thoroughly this subject has been discussed on here?  All the myths busted about "mild winters" compared to global climate temperature, build up of CO2 in earth's atmosphere and  sea water unable to absorb enough.  All this is happening despite the denial and goofy weird charts and graphs trying to compare apples to oranges.

The only myth is that of man-made global warning.  It has not been proven

Objection: Despite what the computer models tell us, there is actually no evidence of significant global warming.

Answer: Global warming is not an output of computer models; it is a conclusion based on observations of a great many global indicators. By far the most straightforward evidence is the actual surface temperature record. While there are places -- in England, for example -- that have records going back several centuries, the two major global temperature analyses can only go back around 150 years due to their requirements for both quantity and distribution of temperature recording stations.

These are the two most reputable globally and seasonally averaged temperature trend analyses:

• NASA GISS direct surface temperature analysis
• CRU direct surface temperature analysis

Both trends are definitely and significantly up. In addition to direct measurements of surface temperature, there are many other measurements and indicators that support the general direction and magnitude of the change the earth is currently undergoing. The following diverse empirical observations lead to the same unequivocal conclusion that the earth is warming:

• Satellite Data
• Radiosondes
• Borehole analysis
• Glacial melt observations
• Sea ice melt
• Sea level rise
• Proxy Reconstructions
• Permafrost melt

There is simply no room for doubt: the Earth is undergoing a rapid and large warming trend.

Oh, there is plenty of room for doubt, Mr. Alarmist.

No, actually, there's not. There's not a single peer-reviewed study that leaves any doubt that manmade global warming exists.

   And there isn't ANY proof that global warming does NOT happen cyclicly (sp?). When you have ALL the facts, then teach them. If you only bring your favorite fact, leave it in the hallway. HS teachers are NOT qualified to teach a complex issue such as global warming. At least not when they only use liberal lies and misinformation.

When you have ALL the facts, then teach them. - Philib

That's ridiculous.  Under that principle virtually no science (or many other subjects) could ever be taught.  At the high school level, the responsibility of the teacher is to teach the consensus opinion when it is determinable.  When teaching chemistry, the teacher doesn't need to be up to date on all of the most cutting-edge research on the topic.  He/she just needs to provide the consensus opinion on the facts, with as much detail as is appropriate for the grade level.  It's the same for physics, biology (including the fact of evolution) and all other sciences.

GW, and human contribution to it, has been accepted by the consensus opinion of the large majority of those scientists most knowledgeable on the topic, with the proper qualifications to render an opinion.  The naysayers are a small minority of qualified scientists, whose presented cases have poorly withstood scrutiny.  Therefore, HS teachers would be poorly serving their students by not covering the topic in an appropriate amount of detail.

Those are facts, flying in the face of conservative "lies and misinformation."

naysayers are a small minority of qualified scientists

Or rather, a small minority of bribed scientists...

   Which is better; a small minority of bribed scientist or a large majority of bribed scientists? Am I expected to believe one group because more of them are bribed? Good arguement you made, there.

"Under that principle virtually no science (or many other subjects) could ever be taught."

And here is the explanation for why rightwingers are so STUPID en masse. Hasta be either 'all or nuthin' otherwise it ain't worth teachin. Yeah, I get it. Typical STUPID black-and-white 'thinking' going on. 

Objection: Current warming is just part of a natural cycle.

Answer: While it is undoubtedly true that there are natural cycles and variations in global climate, those who insist that current warming is purely natural -- or even mostly natural -- have two challenges.

First, they need to identify the mechanism behind this alleged natural cycle. Absent a forcing of some sort, there will be no change in global energy balance. The balance is changing, so natural or otherwise, we need to find this mysterious cause.

Second, they need to come up with an explanation for why a 35% increase in the second most important greenhouse gas does not affect the global temperature. Theory predicts temperature will rise given an enhanced greenhouse effect, so how or why is it not happening?

The mainstream climate science community has provided a well-developed, internally consistent theory that accounts for the effects we are now observing. It provides explanations and makes predictions. Where is the skeptic community's model or theory whereby CO2 does not affect the temperature? Where is the evidence of some other natural forcing, like the Milankovich cycles that controlled the ice ages (a fine historical example of a dramatic and regular climate cycle that can be read in the ice core records taken both in Greenland and in the Antarctic)?

Is this graph a candidate for explaining today's warming? A naive reading of this cycle indicates we should be experiencing a cooling trend now -- and indeed we were gradually cooling over the length of the pre-industrial Holocene, around .5C averaged over 8,000 years.

Not only is the direction of the change wrong, but compare the speed of those fluctuations to today's changes. Leaving aside the descents into glaciation, which were much more gradual, the sudden (geologically speaking) jumps up in temperature every ~100,000 years represent a rate of change roughly ten times slower what we are currently witnessing.

So could current changes be part of a natural cycle? Well, no natural cause has been identified. There is no climatological theory in which CO2 does not drive temperature. And natural cycle precedents do not exhibit the same extreme changes we're now witnessing.

In short: No.

It does, but the proof you want is in the ice cores.

 It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that warming is occurring.    

 What's wrong with you guys anyway?

Don't give a sh#t, think you are gonna be raptured before all the bad stuff happens?  What? 

Oh yes -- hooray for the attack on a whole cross-section of the American public with widely diverse political, social, and religious affiliations!!! The fact that the only shared trait that Belling has targeted is that of profession makes perfect sense. ALL teachers think alike and act in lockstep, just like ALL democrates subscribe to identical political beliefs in ALL areas, ALL Muslims are radicals, and ALL liberals are atheists.

Actually I have heard Belling host Limbaugh's rantfest and he spends a lot of time criticizing teachers and public education. Maybe, like Limbaugh, he did not have a particlularly positive experience in school and he blames his teachers (ALL of them) for his own lack of academic success.

Actually, I try to focus on helping my students became more critical readers and more proficient writers and speakers. Sorry to disappoint, but I really have very little time to expound on any political agenda. Nor do I, or the vast majority of my felllow teachers, think that is appropriate.

One more thing -- do you oppose unions for all workers or just for educators? Do you, perhaps, long for the days when a teacher was considered, almost literally, a public servant?

 

Good for you susangee. Thank you for dedicating your life to public service.

These attacks on public education are part of their lie campaign to convince working people they have nothing to gain from unions and that privatized schools are superior.

These guys are prostitutes. They spread these lies because they are paid by advertisers to tell working folks that our interests are the same as millionaires. Whatever.

Unions lift up all workers, not just union members. Only the unions fought for the 40 hr. work week, living wages, pensions, child labor laws and human rights for working people. They paid, with their blood, for the benefits that jerks all across the country take for granted.

And private schools (just like healthcare) create a tiered system that forces us to chose only as much as we can afford.

I can't stand a wingnut.

I agree, even though I find the union reps at my school to be the most annoying people on campus-even more annoying than kindergarteners- unions do serve a greater good.  I'm talking about people who can't be bothered to look up from their lunch to answer a question about a student because they're on their sacrosanct lunch-break, or refuse to give up a prep time or stay after school to coach something or to tutor because the union says they don't have to- that kind of annoying stuff.  Teachers who are sticklers for union rules, or who teach only for the money, really chap my hide, but I think most educator/commenters here will agree that these folks are the minority.  The greater issue is how the populace is being trained to hate on teachers (accusing us of nefariously "indoctrinating" and everything else 'liberal' under the sun) while ignoring the epidemic of cognitive negligence that is stupifying our kids.     

Yeah. I've worked in union shops and non-union shops in many different blue collar jobs. At every job, there is a small percentage of chumps and sticklers.

To blame unions for the inaction of a handful of backsliders is to grant immunity to corporate transgressions against the rights of workers.

Thanks for the props, Roundhouse. I'm guessing that guys like Philib and Sands are still harboring twenty-year-old resentments about their own high school experiences.

gotta step in here. climate change is very real and it is happening. what's the false assertion is that liberals know what and it's America's fault. We are presently in the span of an inter-glacial period. the past 10,000 years have made earth an ideal climate overall for human expansion almost anywhere on the globe. yet, there was a span of 500 or so years. ending in the middle of the 19th centrury where the earth cooled rapidly, weather got funky all over the northern hemishpere and life generally sucked. Man's pollution didn't start it- we weren't populous or technical enough to do it. The fact is that climate change is so intricate and delicate a balance that it's nearly impossible to assign blame to any one source, but it's PC to blame America, or cow farts. Even with all the understanding and computing power at our disposal today, we still can't accurately model what is happening, let alone what will happen. The fact is, that yes, there's nothing wrong with reducing greenhouse gasses. Nothing wrong with fighting polution. Just be aware that the earth does what its gonna do anyway.

This foul little rant of Belling's actually gives a nice window into the truth, which is, of course ,that conservatives don't want to "fix" education, and they never have.

They simply want control of the content of education.

Sure it has Maxie.

Equating weather and climate tells me all I need to know about your knowledge level on the subject.

Is there any subtly in your position at all, or is your position first, last, and all points inbetween, ideological?

Can I just register a general note of disgust for anyone who thinks schoolteachers are overpaid?  I mean ... I know that as a teacher I had to buy my own materials for teaching (including copies and the raw materials for displays and even supplies for students) and work about 9 hours+ in my 6-hour day!  Maybe if the education system in this country did not cater (only) to the lowest common denominator and constantly force teachers to do more with less, could they be considered to be overpaid.

Just what we need, another excuse for people to disrespect the authority of educators, and think that teachers know nothing.

Hear hear!

"Overpaid schoolteacher" is an oxymoron.

My mother was a schoolteacher. My grandmother was a schoolteacher. By no means did they live the good life.

My mother was also a teacher.  She is now 79, but I remember her teaching years well.  My father died when I was young, leaving her with 5 kids.  She finished school and worked teaching for years afterward.  There were many hours of work nights and weekends grading papers and preparing for classes.  There were many, many supplies she bought for her classroom herself.  She cared deeply for her students and took great pride in helping a student with a problem break through his/her barriers.

In addition, she was active in the teachers' union and was head of it for a several-county region for several years.  I lived with her, heard all of the inside stories of problems teachers had with the administration - abuse, favoritism, discrimination - and I know how much worse it would have been without the union.

I grew up proud to say my mother was a union activist.  And no one can ever tell me she was less of a teacher for her union activities.

sands, you are truly an ignorant a55hole.

 Why don't we let this clown teach class for a couple of days and see  what their opinion of teachers is now?

One of the first targets of The Contract ON America was to work over the Dept of Education.

No Child Left Behind rates the same attitude towards education that the Blue Sky Initiative had towards reducing polution. There's a theme somwhere in this.

Yeah it's called fantasy land, "Somewhere, over the rainbow....."

I live in the Milwaukee area - Belling works for the local hate radio outlet.  The next intelligent thing he says will be the first intelligent thing he's ever said.  He was once referred to Mexicans at "wet backs" and didn't see the harm in slurring a whole nation until he was suspended.  If that's not enough, he has actually filled in for Lush Limp-blob.  That should give you an idea of where this turdblossom's brain is.  I tell my conservative friends he sounds muffled on the air and should stand up and talk because he talks out of his arse...

I'm a high school teacher and I take extreme offense to this guy's comments.

I don't even know where to start with his comments.  Its funny that I'm "lazy and over-paid" considering that each day consists of 10+ hours of work, not counting weekend grading and planning.  During my varsity basketball season, each day is 12+ hours and game days are 15 or 16 hours long. 

 If I was paid by the hour for the work that I do, it would breakdown to about a dozen bucks an hour, sometimes less depending on longer weeks. 

Sorry that Belling had teachers that crammed their point of view down his throat.  I disagree with just about every decision George Bush has made, yet when students jump on his case, I play the other side and argue for the man.  I've never said that I don't like him and that I'm voting for Obama.  Most teachers are very neutral like this, at least the ones I work with.  Its kind of disheartening to hear that people actually think like this.

But we should vote McBush and give parents vouchers so they can yank up their students and go to another school everytime a teacher doesn't give their child an A.  Thats the answer....right....

You are clearly an overpaid, underworked, liberal elitist.

Dean,

You had my agreement up to the last paragraph. Up till then you sounded reasonable.  Oh well.  

I find it quite laughable, that a rightwingnut troll would come here and complain about our kids being taught about global warming.

This same  rightwingnut troll has previously stated that our children should be taught intelligent design.

Which of the two theories is more believable? 

   Either theory is better than your 'beginning of the universe' theory you support. How believable is that? Or are you a typical liberal who changes his belief depending on which way the wind blows. 30 years ago you whiners were complaining of global cooling. 30 years from now you'll be doing the same thing. The only constant in this scenario is that you will be whining!

NYC, of which I know, was impressed with their 55% raduation rate. NY spends more money per student than any place else, approx 14,000 per student. The teachers make an averae of about 48,000. Not alot of money, so I disagree with Belling there. However, a 55 percent graduation rate, with some schools graduating single digits is just disgusting, and there's no way Bloomberg should be proud. While the teachers are not the sole reason or the bad numbers, the unions do make it easier for the lousy teachers to remain employed when they should clearly be flipping meat someplace. If I was in a failing school, I would certainly want the right to take my child elsewhere. I can see where Belling is coming from that way. But the indoctrination doesn't really begin until you hit college.

Global Warming is a HOAX!  Please take the time to research the avg. temp.  UAH Globally Average Satellite-Based Temperature of the Lower Atmsophere.  You will see that we are cooling not heating.  The highest avg temp was in Jan. of 98 with El Nino.  This is a surface to 8 Mile Altitude reading.  Since Jan. 08 we are below the agv. temp.

How about posting the links that back up your 'research' up here for us to peruse? And NO, nothing sponsored by the American Enterprise Institute or any other biased 'source'.

I did, but they did not post the website, I put in two different responses with a .org web site that had a large amount of data.  MM did not post, much like they will not post this.

Please take the time to research the avg. temp.  ...  You will see that we are cooling not heating.  The highest avg temp was in Jan. of 98 with El Nino.  ...  Since Jan. 08 we are below the agv. temp. - Markbfoot199

You're badly in need of some fact checking.  Virtually no one is questioning that global temperatures have been rising.  Here are a couple of graphs from NASA using two different methods:

Can you see the trend?  It's true that 1998 was a peak year, but that is a case of rising global temperatures being given an extra short term boost by El Nino.  The next years were lower, but were still among the highest ever recorded and showed a mathematical trend upward.

Don't worry too much about it.  We all make mistakes.  You just need to learn from yours.

Objection: Satellite readings, which are much more accurate, show that the earth is in fact cooling.

I wonder how long before this one stops coming up?

Answer: There are a few advantages to the satellite readings,mainly the more uniform global coverage and the fact that readings can be taken at different altitudes. However, it is an extremely complicated process which uses microwaves emitted by the oxygen in the atmosphere as a proxy for temperature.

The complications arise from many things, including decay of the satellite orbits, splicing together and calibrating records from different instruments, trying to separate the signals by the layer of atmosphere they originate from, etc. It is a little ironic that the same people who distrust the surface record so happily embrace this even-more-convoluted exercise in data processing!

Anyway, it has been many years since the satellite analysis showed cooling.

Until recently, though, one of the many analyses of tropospheric temperatures did show very little warming and was in direct contradiction to model predictions that say the troposphere should warm significantly in an enhanced greenhouse environment. Something had to be wrong, the observations or the model predictions. Naturally, the skeptics had no doubt it was the models that were off.

However, it turns out that additional errors were uncovered and the MSU Satellite temperature analysis now shows warming well in line with model expectations. Real Climate has a good rundown of the technical details for those with the stomach for it. In short, this long-running debate turned out to be a great validation of the models and a real death blow to the "earth is not warming" crowd.

Beware of zombies!

Come on Snoopy, go a get more date, beyond just 35 yrs, how about going back too the earlier 1900's.  Again, there is climate change, not man made global warming.  Also, reasearch Sun Flares and put that data with Earths global changes and the amount of time that Flares heat would hit the earth.  Yes, Zombies and the dog is leading them into pit!

55% is actually a not too bad rate considering that 17 of the 50 biggest city-school districts in the country graduate less than 50%.  By no means am I saying its a good thing.

Sure there are some lousy teachers at my school, but they are weeded out (3 non-tenured teachers let go last year) and other ones were assigned class loads of optional classes that students don't need to graduate and can be avoided because the classes are electives.  Its not perfect.

I know that the students who drop out of my school play video games until the wee hours of the morning and sleep through my class.  Others come to school without eating or proper materials for school and fail.  Others still come to school using bad language or wear shirts that depict sex and swearing, and once they're disciplined, they hold a grudge and seem to lag behind.  I wish I could do more to help these kids, but the parents have to come somewhere in this picture to help.  Teachers can't solve all of America's problems.

That's right, Dean. Teachers are heroes, but not superheroes. You can't turn uninterested kids into scholars all by yourself. Parents have to help as much as they can.

Education starts at home and requires parental participation with their kids' teachers.

Dean,

I agree that many teachers are very dedicated and spend long hours grading and drawing up lesson plans outside the classroom.  I also agree that it is the parent/s (or lack of parenting by parent/s that are failing these kids in these large school districts far more than the teachers.  

What this announcer is verbalizing is the union leadership, because of their opposition to vouchers are using their political clout with the Democratic Party to prevent school choice by concerned parents who, due to economic circumstances, live in these large districts but cannot send their children to private schools.  

It looks to the outsider that the Unions are more concerned with protecting the status-quo and the teachers than they are in allowing parents to get their kids out of failing schools and into environments where the child can learn.  

Choice. What a myth.

Yeah, our schools aren't doing well right now. But we can change that. I believe in equal access to quality education for all. I believe in public education and have seen public schools provide quality education cheaper and to high standards such that they were they envy of the world. There was a day, AA when our country took pride in our commons, our public infrastructure.

But every time I hear a conservative talk about choice, I know I'm about to get conned. Our freedom of choice is limited to our wealth and if your aren't, or maybe don't even care to be wealthy, you get to chose an inferior "product." It's sick and goes against the American principle of equality.

Nope, we need to fix, not discard, our public education system so that all of our children have a good school to attend.

Bill, about your NASA report!

NASA doesn't fully publish computer source code and formula they use to calculate the trends and the graph nor the correction used to arrive at the correct data. So when you do reverse engineer the process by comparing the raw data and the processed data.  And the bottom line is, that 1998 is no longer -- you can say NASA made a reporting error or did they make a reporting error? Did they do this on purpose?

when 1934 was the hottest year on record, and NASA may know about it and doesn't correct the data, and when a guy named James Hansen involved in all this, who is a political activist, then you have to figure there is a reason why they want 1998 continue to be reported as the warmest year on record. 

If there is something specific you can point to with regard to NASA's data or methodology, please do so.  Or perhaps you have another source of data that contradicts NASA?  You're trying to create an illusion of data manipulation based on your own fevered fantasies.

As for 1934 replacing 1998, you know, don't you, that that change referred ONLY to US data?  That 1998 is still the warmest on record GLOBALLY?  And that most of the hottest years on record occurred within the last decade GLOBALLY?

You do know, don't you, that we're discussing GLOBAL temperatures here?  And that the US only covers about 2% of the earth's surface?  Do you really think that change is very significant?

Global Warming, Oh so sorry, Not just U.S. warming, Oh pardon me.  Since the data I am referring too was collected in Wellington NZ, and I am sure Wellington NZ was not part of the U.S. in the early 1900's,  I am sure I am correct. Here is the link for the reverse physics on the NASA data you just enjoy reading.  Bill, Like I said in the beginning of this conversation, do your research, it is out there,  In science unless it is conclusive it is then considered a theory.  Global Warming is a Theory, not all scientist believe in global warming, Basic Science. http://www.climateaudit.org/scripts/station/giss, also you can try this as well.  Bill, here is another fact, beyond NASA, whom you seem to love, GISS updated the GLB.Ts+dSST anomalies, which show a large 0.67 degC value for March. This addition of March 2008 temperature data to the record caused a corresponding drop in annual average temperature for the years 1946 and 1903. According to GISS, 1946 is now colder than 1960 and 1972, and 1903 dropped into a tie with 1885, 1910 and 1912.

This again takes me back to my first statement, I believe in Climate Change, not man made global warming, do not be so naive to think that man can create global warming, unless back in the late 1900's they had some great SUV's, or maybe we just had a large number of Stock (cows) putting out CO2, but wait I am sure you believe that cow fluctuations are part of global warming also.

"Nine times seven equals seven-- 63."

Right here you can see Mark Belling's credibility go up in smoke.

"So these kids are presuming that what they're getting is gospel. They are presuming that they don't have an ideological kook in front of them. They presume that they have a committed educator who is presenting facts, rather than some (conservative) hack that's presenting a pile of garbage that's being tossed out there by a failed politician."

This statement pretty much represents my opinion of teaching Intelligent Design.