Never mind the fact that conservatives often call the US President the "Leader of the Free World"...

 

I guess it's only acceptable when it fits a certain agenda...

newt should be really mad at jfk.  he said he was a berliner.

Hey, what the hell?  Reagan gets credit for everything good and no blame for anything bad.  If you actually took a close look ....

All you need to know right here...

Excellent chart.  I must print this visual out and post it on bulletin boards.

Never knew Reagan had a financial debt attached to him.

 

But then again, all I know about Reagan is the Hannity version (sorry, he's just a bit before my time [he was wrapping up his Presidency when I was born])

Reagan invented deficits (he had more than all previous presidents combined). He also was the first to try supply-side theory.

It's almost like supply-side theory and big deficits are inseparable.

Snoopy you always find great stuff.

Snoopy, THAT was great!

JFK was a Democrat, so it shouldn't be too difficult to do.

the point is newt is being selective.  he's not acknowledging that presidents have done this before.

I don't think Gingrich is in denial, he is quite the student of history and most likely very much aware of Reagan's comment from 1982.   What he is, is a dishonest hack who would rather score a cheap political point against Obama rather than tell us why he believes McCain would be the better choice.  

"...the average American does not want to elect a president of the world to use up America in order to make the rest of the world feel good..."

I think he's loaded.

Newt,If a U.S. citizen runs for president of their book club, that doesn't make them President of the United States.Is that really confusing?

I'm not going to spend any more time trying to figure out how one would "use up" the U.S., or how that would make other people feel good.

 

You're right.  He's lying through his teeth.

Tommy, Thank You for summing up that Conservative strategy in this election. Brief, to the point. Kudos.

Dishonest is an apt description for Gingrich. I like the word distortionist...which pretty much describes most of the folks who appear on FOX.

Reagan also once said he wanted to return America to the promise of its former self (alluding that America was not currently living up to its potential.)

This is very similar to comments Obama made the other day, about which the wingnuts have got their collective panties in a twist. They're saying it's proof that Obama hates America.

Was it also proof that Reagan hated America?

Do you get the impression that the right is deathly afraid of Obama not only getting elected, but being a black JFK?

How many people has Obama been compared to now? Reagan, Bill Clinton, JFK, Paris Hilton, Hitler, Jesus, Satan, Darth Revan, Darth Vader...

I have a hard time keeping track.

Don't forget the antichrist...

And Ludicras. That's Hannity's favorite race-baiting tactic.

Yup, Newt was such a student of history that he married his high school history teacher. Abandoned her later when she got sick, but hey, what a cool move if you like history.

Whether Gingrich, Hannity, or anyone likes it or not, WE ARE ALL CITIZENS OF THE WORLD. The reason why people like Gingrich hate this kind of talk is because they want America to be this rogue country that can do what ever they want and not have to come together with the rest of the world. The Repulican party is the same party that stopped America from joining the "League of Nations" back in 1919. We all know where this type of thinking leads too. Countries of the world used to all think like the Republican party prior to 1918, but after a couple World Wars and millions of dead the world learned a lesson. Now, the republicans want to go back to those days, Forget it.

Isn't it amusing cons want all the profits from opening global markets, but none of the responsibility that comes with being a global citizen participating in that market?

But there is something to be said for keeping your cultural identity and not losing your culture to globalization.

 

However, I don't think UN withdrawal is that great of an idea...

Gingrich thinks it's his moral responsibility to be disingenuous and get the lesser of two evils elected to lead what he thinks is the most moral nation in the world.  And he thinks the American people are stupid.

Gingrich and morals...a new concept.

Not to mention that the "lesser of two evils" in Gingrich-space is a *profoundly* scary thought.

I can think of about 20% who really are stupid...

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They're not exactly rooting for Barack Obama, but prominent white supremacists anticipate a boost to their cause if he becomes the first black president. His election, they say, would trigger a backlash - whites rising up, a revolution of sorts - that they think is long overdue.

He'd be a "visual aid," says former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, in trying to bring others around to their view that whites have lost control of America. Obama's election, says another, would jar whites into action, writing letters, handing out pamphlets rather than sitting around complaining.

Gingrich sure seems to have all the solutions for the world's ills and for this country's as well.  Funny thing, he doesn't seem to be willing to put his ideas into practice by returning to a leadership position in which he could demonstrate his amazing abilities.

"Barack Obama's lost 10 points in a week."

I know Hannity just spouts off stuff he likes to hear, but does anyone know what this is about?  I can't find the poll or polls that show this...

Polls are like opinions - seems like everyone has one and they say all sorts of different things

He's using the Rovian Rendition of Mathematics. By using this concept, McCain should be leading by 5-6 points in every poll. Just like November '06

Let's face it, Seannie the Sissy is going nuts. He can't keep his own listeners in line. They are beginning to see through the facade of his lip service. I try to catch part of his show (3pm in Pittsburgh) and it has been months since he has discussed anything except Hillary and now Obama. This is some form of demented obsession. He should not be allowed within 2 miles of either of these people. This guy is nuts.

I would venture to say that if you look at his guest list, it is the same lunatics, his "circle of jerks", who take up 95% of his airtime. Could it be that rational Republicans do not want to be associated with this bum. Seannie, you are making money, please pay for help. You could be a real human if you tried. And, as always, you are invited to appear here in any thread. You can even have your "followers" join in.

And remember when he brought up the Bill Ayers issue? That was all he wanted to talk about, and he peppered in questions about why the MSM wasn't bringing it up.

 

And then when they did, it was for a small stint, and by then no one talked about it anymore.

Dawus,

I think the Bill Ayers issue will come back to blow up on Obama's face.  

oops.. "blow up IN Obama's face".

Here's a factoid for you.  A microscopic percentage of Americans know who Ayers is.  A smaller percentage care.  Therefore, its a non-starter except for the liars on the right who can't get elected on their ideas and policies - only fear and hatred.

Dawus, I think the Bill Ayers issue will come back to blow up on Obama's face.  

AA, how many points toward your prize at the "McCain tell a lie, get a prize site" did telling that lie earn you?

American grown terrorism seems to be easily forgotten by MSM, Timothy McVeigh for come to mind. There seems to be a bigger concern about Muslim terrorists instead. Of course IF Bill Ayers comes back into the spotlight, I'm sure there will be great ideal of coverage on the criminal acts of the US government which lead to Bill Ayers being free of any charges.

And you being to smart fair minded person that you are will rail against the government for hampering the legal process for the criminal acts that took place when Obama was 8 years old. <sarcasm>

I heard that Obama's mailman once attended a Communist meeting and he lives within 10 miles of a pedophile.  Is that going to blow up in his face, also?  

So Obama didn't lose 10 points in any actual poll, Sean really did just make that up?

You can make polls say just about anything you want. Head to a McCain rally, ask "Who do you think should be President, McCain or Obama", and you'll wind up having McCain beat Obama 100-0.

 

New poll suggests Americans favor McCain over Obama by 100%. :)

So he just made it up.  He had a "down 10 points" thought in his head and just said.  No poll that I've seen has Obama down 10 points.  I thinks he's up in every national poll taken over the last 7 days.  I don't think Hannity is getting a poll to say something, I think he's just making "down 10 points" up.

Here is the code that Former Speaker of the House Gingrich is really trying to say (I know, I'm reading minds here):

It's OK to "use up" the United States, as Newt so puts it, as long as the US is pursuing a conservative agenda, ie, Iraq. It's "bad" to "use up" the United States trying to forward a liberal agenda. You know, world peace, equality for all, improving 3rd world countries, you know, things like that.

Let's review.

Military domination and use of the US for conservatives = good.

Social justices, and being good neighbors with the rest of the world = bad.

Yep, OK Newt. I would have loved to have seen Newt run for President. The slaughter at the hands of Obama would have been even worse than what it's going to be, or has been, for Senator McCain.

Even shorter Newt:

If we aim to get along, we lose their fear.

And respect.

Newt, what dangerous situation?

Selective memories . . . These Republicans have no shame.  Whenever it benefits them you can't shut them up about Reagan, but as soon as their golden boy has something in common with a lib, they ignore it and act as if it doesn't matter. I swear their obsession with Reagan is just like some folks obsession with Brett Favre.  I just don't get it.

No shame - or morals. Why does the republican party attract these people in droves?

STLtoday:

JEFFERSON CITY — Missouri state Rep. Scott Muschany, R-Frontenac, was indicted today in connection with a reported sexual assault of a 14-year-old girl on May 17, the day after this year’s Legislative session ended.

The alleged victim is the daughter of a state employee. The girl’s mother and Muschany -– who is married and has two children — were romantically involved, the woman said.

A Cole County grand jury returned an indictment today charging Muschany with the Class C felony of “deviate sexual assault.” The indictment identifies the victim only by initials. It says that on May 17, Muschany “had deviate sexual intercourse” with the girl, “knowing that he did so without” her consent.

Wow.  Unbelievable.

Wow. Believable.

Even my own rethuglican constable was arrested and convicted of soliciting sex from a five year old girl. That's getting pretty close to home. No one is safe from these people. See a pattern here? Vote Dem and save your neighborhood.

Snoop, I think politics, not party affiliation attracts these guys in droves ;-)

Mass. state senator indicted for sexual harassment BOSTON -- A Massachusetts grand jury on Tuesday indicted a state senator on charges that he allegedly sexually harassed four women in a single day in Lowell before giving a false identity to police officers and fleeing from the scene last month.

State Sen. James Marzilli faces charges of attempting to commit indecent assault and battery, annoying and accosting people of the opposite sex, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest, Middlesex District Attorney Gerry Leone said.

No date has been scheduled for the arraignment of the Arlington Democrat, but authorities expected Marzilli's court appearance to be scheduled during next week, Leone said.

How did I know I could count on you to find the one bean in the biskit box? ;)

BTW, I was sure if anyone was gonna post Edwards story in response, it was gonna be his favorite stalker! ;)

Ha! Snoop, I just heard about it on the radio. I thought about posting it, but figured it's Friday, why get you guys in a bad mood...or take this thread too far off the track ;-)

Hey I'm not surprised about any of it. The guy is a phony.

Smart move though to pick a Friday afternoon...& the Friday the Olympics begin to announce it.

Hey Jeter,

I really liked Edwards and the story IS from the National Inquirer so it's hard to give it much credence, but, I'm starting to get a bad feeling about him.

Skep, the story is now on the ABC website [they broke it], & all over the news...Edwards has admitted to the affair, so it's no longer just a rumor in some gossip rag.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5441195&page=1

I know this is redundant as everyone here probably reads her every week, but I do believe Coulter has been talking about it in her last two columns.  :-)

 

I can hear the baby now... Channeling to John Edwards...  at  3 o'clock it is saying, "Daddy". At 4 o'clock it is saying, "C'mon old man, fess up!" at 5 o'clock it is crying, " What? A lousy $15K a month? Got your ears on? You'll be hearing from Mommy's lawyer!"

:-)

What's really embarrassing about the whole Edwards affair for us liberals is the fact that it was a woman.  Not under age, or over the internet.  Not another man in the men's room at the airport.  Not even a hooker.  Just an ordinary woman.

When are OUR political leaders going to get off their lazy asses and start competing seriously?  I mean, less than one hundred thousand dollars in a freezer vs. millions and a boat with your name on it?  Boxing tickets vs. golfing trips to Ireland?  A bj under the desk vs 4500 dead and 9 trillion in debt.  And now this - a plain old attractive young woman?

Shameful.  Absolutely shameful.

And it was consensual, how very boring of him.  Not like the highlife of certain others who take what they want and are far too manly to take no for an answer.

That's what I was thinking, Neon & Moonbat. More of the rampant heterosexuality that gets the rightys so up in arms.

I was trying to check out this Edwards story a couple of days ago. Not that I really care about his business, but I had only heard the weird speculation on Fox.

I found some right wing site that had the same tabloid reports, but the comments section was filled with rants about the Democrats and their lack of morals. Pretty funny. Isn't the current GOP candidate a guy that fooled around on his wife after she had an auto accident, then left her for a younger woman?

Heck, that candidate filed for a marraige certificate before he was divorced, and did it while his wife was in the hospital. Come to think of it, didn't Newt do the same thing - divorce his wife while she was in the hospital? Conservative values - pshaw!

Isn't the current GOP candidate a guy that fooled around on his wife after she had an auto accident, then left her for a younger woman?

Col, I was thinking the same thing. No wonder McCain said "No Comment".

But I should admit, I'm thinking about asking my banker about his marriage since he does handle my money. And when I'm done with him I'm going to the Volvo dealer since I put my life on the line driving my car. Then it's off to visit the various departments at the Whole Foods, I buy my food there, I need to know about their marriages since they handle my food. But I must admit, I'm not sure what to do about my gardener? <sarcasm>

But I must admit, I'm not sure what to do about my gardener?

Tell him you're on the pill...

:-)

Check them all out, Pearlene. Let's just watch the coverage of Edwards by the media.

In fairness, Grampy's womanizing was done years ago, as far as we know. Of course, it's pretty likely that his ability to mess around and his opportunities both shriveled up years ago.

Of course, it's pretty likely that his ability to mess around and his opportunities both shriveled up years ago.

Col, one can only hope. :-)

You're simple minded. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) 
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

You mean the slimebag who can illegally vote without repercussion while democrats who legally vote get thrown in jail by crooked republicans? That turd in a black dress?

Coulter has been talking about it in her last two columns

She was calling him a fa99ot not too long ago, AA. Guess she was wrong about that. You guys are never happy, are you?

That should be National Enquirer, and I also just saw that he admitted to the affair so you were right all along Jeter, he was a phony.

Why can't the Dems keep it in their pants? (I apologize for going off topic)!

 

It's a sorry thing.  I think a person can be lying about an affair but sincere in wanting to help the working class (remember F.Roosevelt?)  It does seem that the temptations of politicians with the power & prestige and ego can be too much for a lot of them.

Skep,

It's not just Dems that can't keep it in their pants. Republicans do it too. A lot ;-)

I don't know what drives these guys to cheat & think they'll get away with it. But anyone that preaches family values or parades their wife & kids around & plays at being a faithful husband & family man, & then gets caught doesn't deserve any sympathy. They are hypocrites.

I do feel badly for Elizabeth, but apparently she's been aware of John's affair since 2006.

Amen Jeter,

It's not just Democrat. The pain and suffering he's caused his family and his supporters is tragic.  

It's not just Dems that can't keep it in their pants. Republicans do it too. A lot ;-)

It's just so many of the republican ones are either in airport stalls, bending over pages or checking out the under 14 crowd.... ;)

Snoop,

I'm with you, the repugs are far worse in their indiscretions (and/or criminal activity), but I hate to give the slimeball, right wing, nut jobs (hannity, rush etc.) any ammunition.

They are far better at getting mud to stick than the Dem spokespeople are.

I'm still disappointed with Edwards, even though we shouldn't be digging into people's private lives, especially when it concerns consenting adults and his family has been informed.

 

Why can't Dems keep it in their pants?  This is in a thread about Newt Gingrich?  Anybody remember why his last marriage fell apart? No excuses for Edwards, but really... 

Jeter, it's only because I like you that I post this. ;)

Just minutes after former presidential candidate John Edwards admitted having an extramarital affair during the 2008 campaign, The National Enquirer published potentially explosive photos of an infant with a $400 haircut.

Even as Mr. Edwards denied fathering a love-child with a former campaign aide, the photos of the expensively coiffured tot raised fresh questions about his honesty.

Prominent haircut experts who have studied the Enquirer photos said that the resemblance between the baby's hairdo and that of the former North Carolina senator was striking.

"This is such a close match, I think it eliminates the need for a paternity test," said haircut expert Carol Foyler. "This would be a slam-dunk on 'Maury.'"

Ms. Foyler said there was only a "one in a million chance" that someone other than Mr. Edwards had fathered the child in the Enquirer photo: "The only other man who's wealthy enough to give his baby a $400 haircut is Donald Trump, and that baby would have a comb-over."

For his part, Mr. Edwards attempted to regain the high road, telling reporters, "I still believe there are two Americas, and I have had a sexual relationship in each of them."

Good one Snoop!

I'm surprised you didn't include a photo of the little tyke ;-)

Am I taking this thread off track? I'm a ba-a-a-a-d doggy. I need to be punished. Yes, yes! The rolled up newspaper! Y-E-E-S-S!

Oops, that darned outside voice again...

Am I taking this thread off track? I'm a ba-a-a-a-d doggy. I need to be punished. Yes, yes! The rolled up newspaper! Y-E-E-S-S!

Oops, that darned outside voice again...

LOL

 

Why do they even trot this person out anymore? He's become a caricature of the politician he once was - and that guy was frightening enough back during the height of career.  Is this the only cheerleader Hannity could book? Have they finally come to this?

What I'd like to see is this:

 Some random GOP lackey - How dare Obama say he's a citizen of the world!

 Some random Liberal - Reagan did it.

 SRGL - Are you saying Obama is equal to Reagan??!!!??!!!!!

 SRL - No, he's better.

SRGL - WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?@#%!$!&*$(!! 

One of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Paine, wrote in 1792 that he was "a citizen of the world."  In the same article opposing the execution of the French king, he also referred to himself as "a citizen of America," "a citizen of the French republic," and "a citizen of both countries."

The quote goes back at least to the ancient Greeks, as Plutarch writes,

For in nature no country, or house, or field, or smithy, as Aristo said, or surgery, is peculiarly ours, but all such things exist or rather take their name in connection with the person who dwells in them or possesses them. For man, as Plato says, is not an earthly and immovable but heavenly plant, the head making the body erect as from a root, and turned up to heaven.[916] And so Hercules said well,

"Argive or Theban am I, I vaunt not
To be of one town only, every tower
That does to Greece belong, that is my country."

But better still said Socrates, that he was not an Athenian or Greek, but a citizen of the world (as a man might say he was a Rhodian or Corinthian), for he did not confine himself to Sunium, or Taenarum, or the Ceraunian mountains.

[emphasis added]

Thanks for your post, adding some long term perspective instead of the short fuzzy lens that the right wing uses.

I can think of one distinction. One was talking at the U.N. and the other was pandering to a rock-n-roll crowd in a foreign country.  

ps. I can think of another.

One was the elected President of the United States.  The other acted like he is already elected POTUS.  

Continuing to stay off-topic:

Obama's stadium speech in Denver that you were so worried nobody would go to: all seats sold in 24 hours.

I'm surprised they sold the seats? I didn't even see it on ticketron!  Was there one big block of tickets sold to the DNC? I bet they all camped out to be first in line. 

ps. I wonder if Hillary and Bill had to buy theirs? 

Yeah we get it AA, if only the 22nd Amendment and Pontious Pilate hadn't ganged up on St. Ronnie and crucified him like they did we'd all be living in a shining city on a hill tomorrow morning in America. 

AA,

those two factual differences--that Obama was not speaking at the U.N. and is not POTUS--still doesn't make it wrong for him to describe himself as a citizen of the world., especially when it was preceded by "a proud citizen of the U.S.".  

I don't presume to know if Obama was merely pandering to a "rock-n-roll crowd" (cause we know all 200,000 just came for the band, right?), just like I don't presume to know if Reagan was pandering at the UN when he made similar comments. I also don't know how you would go about substantiating the claim that Obama is acting like he is already elected. Do you do that by acting Presidential, and if so, isn't that what we want someone running for President to do?

Your "distinction" sounds so utterly partisan, that I know you must be joking since you've proven to be above all that :-)

Carn,

I simply pointed out the differences. Those 200,000 in Berlin didn't go just to see rock bands, they also came to see a comedy act. :-)  

A pasty mean toad is 'ole Newt

He's all about ego and loot.

He makes Reagan look brainy

He should swirl down the drainy

His lying about history acute.

Just like Gonzales and Cheney,

Newts memory sometimes gets grainy.

So you crafted an ode

to that "pasty mean toad".

Not bad.  But really, girl - "drainy"?

I apologise to all newts and toads

And to grammarians writing good odes

For a fake history teacher

Make-believe words we can feature

Contempt for the Newt we have loads.

 

 

 

 

• Grammaricalistics debatable,
• sure, poetificaceous words are creatable.
• Too often are we
• caught stuckwards rhymely
• And syllabikineticly collatable.

Excellent.  And all I had was "drainy." ;-)

Another tempest in a tea pot!  Why do we have to bother with these retards. Obama is not running to be president of the world.  We are electing him to represent our interets as defined by our constitution.  He is using the word citizen to express what we on this planet should be expressing.  We all live on the same world! We all share the same hopes and desires. Despite the differences we all hope to live fruitful lives supporting our families and communities with a sense of dignity, prosperity,and fulfillment. The word citizen does imply a sense of identity with a nation state.  It came about in a day when a person was considered a subject, one with no rights. Subject to the arbitrary authority of a hereditary ruler.  We've come a bit further than that. We've still got a ways to go.

I'm tellin mom!

OT, The poetry patrol strikes...again. On target, saturation 100%.

:0)

Since when has this man ever spoken the truth?