When did journalists stop being journalists and start being liars?

I believe it was in 1987 when the fairness doctrine was abolished by the FCC in a 4-0 vote in the Syracuse Peace Council decision.

How is it that everyone but MM realizes that a declaration of "no confidence" is essentially a declaration to have someone removed?

What's up, MM? A slow day for "conservative misinformation"?

Except that, as I recall, John McCain was specifically asked whether Rumsfeld should be fired and he responded that it was the President's discretion. So, in other words, McCain deferred to George W. Bush's impeccable judgment on the matter.

What's up, MM? A slow day for "conservative misinformation"?

And for Shoes89, today (like every other day) is a slow day for brain function.....

"How is it that everyone but MM realizes that a declaration of "no confidence" is essentially a declaration to have someone removed?"

By having the person who made the declaration backpedal and say his comments "were not a call for Rumsfeld's resignation," and that it's "a decision to be made by the president."

That's how.  

Gramps McBush should just come right out any say that "you know, you go to war with the Defense Secretary you have, not the Defense Secretary you might want or wish to have at a later time."

He could also say, ""I believe what I said yesterday. I don't know what I said, but I know what I think, and, well, I assume it's what I said."

Or "Needless to say, the President is correct. Whatever it was he said."

Or "Now, settle down, settle down. Hell, I'm an old man, it's early in the morning and I'm gathering my thoughts here."

These quotes have worked in the past, but I forget who exactly said them.

"Oh, I get it. Let's play with the old man's head, is it? He's half-senile, he'll forget I said anything! Wait, uh, what was this about, anyway?"

 

... or something like that

My favorite McCain quote from the campaign trail so far is this one from July 21, 2008:

"I am proud that I was right!"

I'm not sure, King, but those may have been from you. Or me. It doesn't really matter, what's important is that we all keep up with the current reality that McGramp's and his Media Action Team have created.It's a little disorienting at first, sort of like the sudden appearance of the new Darrin on Bewitched, but just play along. It gets easier.

BTW, did you see the link I left you to the archives of wingnut emails?

Yes, I saw the link. It was great. A real goldmine of wingnut lunacy.

I get some similar things from from dimwitted friends and relatives.

Soon as I get some time I'll email you.

Although no one has reported this I sometimes get the impression that what is trying to be conveyed is that although John McCain publicly left the firing of Donal Rumsfeld to the President's discretion that perhaps he was privately urging for Rumsfeld's dismissal. That is, to be sure, giving McCain the benefit of the doubt. Nevertheless, even if that's what actually occurred I fault McCain for not publicly calling for Rumsfeld to be fired. Rumsfeld and Cheney, two neocons, were the driving forces in the Bush administration for a preemptive war with Iraq. This was part of the agenda even before 9/11. The megalomaniacal Rumsfeld, in his supreme wisdom, was a hand-on architect of the disastrous war planning as well. Working as a team Rumsfled and Cheney, as they have did in the past in the Ford administration, attempted to orchestrate an enormous power grab for their benefit. Donald Rumsfeld deserved to be fired long before Bush actually did. The fact that John McCain did not publicly call for his resignation or firing simply shows what an opportunistic, (Republican) team player he is. I would like to hear that McCain had privately called for Rumsfeld's firing so he can be asked why he didn't have the cojones to say that publicly.

Sorry for the typos and poor grammar...gotta remember to proofread.  :>)

I remember it was a warm summers evening in '93 as my wife and I approached the ticket booth.

"Two for Dread Zeppelin, please" I said to the cashier.  I received my tickets, and we gave them to the doorman as we entered the club.  "Enjoy", he said, and I nodded and smiled, knowing that we would, indeed, enjoy.

We were early, but there was already a sense of excitement in the smokey atmosphere, untempered by the gray-green walls which had last been painted sometime before 1970, probably with surplus WWII lead-based paint.  There were several open tables, and one immediately behind the rail on the upper tier of the floor appeared to be the best vantage point from which to watch the band.

We sat down, ordered a couple beers, and chatted about banal things while waiting for the band to take the stage...

...The view of the band was magnificent.  We watched as Ed Zeppelin pounded out a reggae beat that worked its way deep into our souls, and Tortelvis crooned "Whole Lotta Love", occasionally directing Charlie to shine a flashlight on the more attractive chicks in the audience.  Charlie unexpectedly swung the bright beam over in our direction, lighting up my wife, and giving a wink, Tortelvis acknowledged that he had truly seen an angel, as my wife demurely lowered her head and smiled.  Other than the time in Sturgis when I offered her topless for the crowd to choose as Miss Buffalo Chip, I had never been so proud.

I picked up my beer to give a salute to the band, but before I could extend my arm, a young gentleman with fake sideburns slid in between the rail and the table where we were sitting, obscuring our view and compromising my wife's honor.  I quickly stood up and approached him.  "I hope you don't mind, but my wife and I got here early precisely so that we could obtain this table and have a clear view of the band, an effort which you have now transubstantiated to a level equal to pushing a rope.  Would you mind terribly finding another place to stand?"  With a confused grunt, he took two steps to his right, just enough to frame our view with his left arm and the cigarette machine to our left.  All was right with the world.

The band played, the crowd grew, and before long, the man with the fake sideburns was again standing between my wife and a clear view of the stage.  I gently set down my beer, and was beginning to stand, when my wife suddenly flew from her chair, and putting a forearm into the back of his neck, bent the man with the fake sideburns over the rail with such fury that his beer bottle went deep into his mouth through the space where his front teeth had been just moments before.  She backed away just enough to allow him to stand upright again, turn around, and spit the teeth out.  With fire coming from his eyes, he reached out to grab her, but he was too slow, and the thumb of his right hand soon had a new joint at the hands of my now perturbed wife.  The screams could be heard over the plaintive refrains of "Black Dog", and his friend - who I have no reason to believe was his gay lover - responded as if coming to his rescue.  I quickly blocked the friends path, to which he said "This needs to be stopped before somebody gets hurt".  I responded that it was "a decision to be made by the bouncers".

Before long, the bouncers DID make their decision, and escorted the man with the fake sideburns to an area closer to the bar, and farther from my wife.

As she sat down, poured a little beer on a napkin, and wiped the blood off her hands, I leaned over and - giving her a kiss on the cheek - said "I'm proud of ya, ya c**t..."

Now there's a class act!

McCain may not have come right out and said he wants him fired, but some of you posters (and you know who you are) advised that Clinton wants BO to win the presidency. With the transcripts provided, both are subjective at best. "No confidence" vs "should/will win".

Figure he's going to vote for Nader um?

I have no confidence in anything Media Matters (very little) presents on this website.  The job they do is substandard and ineffective.  But I guess that other's have a greater say in whether or not MM(vl) will continue to produce a smokescreen for anything leftist.

 

According to MM(vl), I guess this is a ringing endorsement of what they do.

"other's" should not have an apostrophe.

brightaridplace,

Thanks for keeping a close eye on the important things.  Finding mountains in molehills is what MM(vl) is all about.  And those supposed mountains are what the leftists here pray will deceive America.

Actually, the correct cliche is "MAKING mountains out of molehills", implying that someone gives more significance to something than it deserves.  To "find" a mountain in a molehill would be discovering significance in something that would appear to have none, which is not, I think, what you had in mind.

The reversal is all about satire and derision, which is made easy by the moronic stuff this site tries to attach to mainstream media's agenda of attacking liberalism, as it is know today.  They are still looking for the 'moutain' that will bring down everything that is right (and good) about this country.  But alas, no mountains to be found only the hope that somehow NPR will come back from the dark side or at least go to another state fair!

 

You forgot the "n" on what I think you intended to be "known".  And you misspelled mountain as 'moutain'.  Also, mountains aren't usually known to "bring down" things.  A different metaphor could have been more appropriate.

You should have used a period after "found" to avoid that run-on sentence, and a comma after "dark side".

Sigh....there's a lot of territory between "ringing endorsement" and "pushing for his removal", and that's where McCain's statements fall. While McCain may claim to be a rather subdued critic of Rumsfield, for the WSJ to claim that McCain pushed for his resignation is inaccurate at best, and really quite  dishonest.  

rustybike,

Get a grip and consider how ludicrious the idea is that somehow this constitutes a gripping issue for the upcoming election.  Voters would rather hear that the surge is both working and recognized as such by the left, see if the democrats who control congress will ever end their embargo on our oil and/or use their hot air to properly inflate the tires on their SUV's?

the surge is both working

How long does it have to work before the troops can come home and we can stop the needless death and endless bonfire fueled by our hard-earned cash?  In Vietnam I believe the surge (escalation) lasted about 3-4 years.

boyisayboy,

This just in....more bad news for the left....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121797955889015047.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks

 

Does this mean the troops can come home and the war profiterring can stop next month?  Next year?  Next decade?  Next milleneum?

Bad news for the left, my a**.  That's the #1 wingnut talking point that any bad news in Iraq is good news for the left, and vice-versa.  Try again.

By the way, your guy Gramps had this enlightened thought at Sturgis:

"We going to win in Iraq the right way.....BY WINNING!"

How can you refute that logic, PC?

boyisayboy,

So are we losing in Iraq?

The continually missed question is, why did we need a surge?

Some bad decisions in the time frame pior to it? That time frame enclosed how many years of bad decisions?

Errr...because some of us actually wanted to win the war in Iraq?