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Wash. Times' Pruden mocks "hysterics," including those who warned of AIDS epidemic

Summary: In his latest column, The Washington Times' Wes Pruden wrote: "We were all supposed to be dead now, done in by AIDS, the gift of the gays. After that it was SARS, bequeathed to the world by China. Then it was avian flu, which, to be fair to the alarmists, did in fact result in the deaths of millions. The millions were all chickens, true, but chickens have feelings, too." According to the United Nations, at least 1 million people have died from AIDS-related illnesses every year since 1997 and at least 2 million every year since 2003.
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Posted by Clevenative

No, no - but what we do need to "hysterically" fear is The Rapture and the fire and brimstone that will accompany it. Until then, there is nothing to fear and we should continue to use, with a reckless abandonment, whatever resources God has given to us.

Posted by snoopy in reply to Clevenative

Hey, the rapture's gonna happen soon. And you need to prepare yourself for it! Here's a handy guide, and guess what? If you think you're gonna get raptured, for a small fee you can have a message for your friends and family stored only to be released after you get raptured! Just go to You'veBeenLeftBehind.com? and sign up. How precious!

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to snoopy

Wow, Snoop, you mean there's a loophole? Great, I can continue in my Godless Heathen ways, but if I'm wrong and I wake up one day, and all of the Christians are flying into the sky and Beelzebub or whoever is being inaugurated,I just sign up on the spot?

Why would anybody bother joining before then? It's like insurance you can buy after the accident.

Posted by Clevenative in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

Not to knock the religion I was baptized in - but that's how I always looked at Confession.:)

Posted by IRONY 101 in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

Rocket-propelled Christians flying into space! Cool... The sooner the better...  ;>)

Posted by commonsenseliberal in reply to IRONY 101

As long as we can make sure that they are in space, outside of the earth's atmosphere.  If they are just flying into the sky, but not beyond the atmosphere, they're just relocating to another country where they can spread the word of Jeeeeezus against the will of those who live there.

Posted by onionhead

"the gift of the gays." ????

Can we take away the "tool" that conservative papers use to scrape the bottom of the barrel for columnists?

Posted by Old_Benjamin in reply to onionhead

Gift of the gays doesn't refer to the Village People or fabulousness?  Who knew.

Posted by vysotsky in reply to onionhead

Offensive, false, and unabashedly bigoted.  No surprise to see that the Washington Times published such a comment.

I sincerely hope some of Wesley Pruden's kids or grandkids are gay and ask dad or grandpa over Thanksgiving Dinner why he used homophobia to score a cheap point in a poorly written column.

Posted by commonsenseliberal in reply to vysotsky

Agreed.  It's like saying Alzheimers was a gift from the elderly.  What a prick this guy is.

Posted by tommy

If you want to mock global warming, then mock global warming.  If you want to mock killer bees, then mock killer bees.  These "terrors" or whatever one chooses to call them, have no specific personal face, no identifiable names attached.  

However, when you mock AIDS, or SARS, or the avian flu, these do have names attached, and faces, and families, and victims, and lives torn apart, and loss, and sadness, and death.  

How incredibly disrespectful this article is, Wes Pruden should be ashamed. 

Posted by pete592 in reply to tommy

I would give anything to see Wes Pruden visit a few of the overwhelmed cemeteries in South Africa on any given weekend, when there are literally thousands of people burying the loved ones they lost to AIDS.  I'm sure his wisdom on the subject would be warmly received.

Posted by rjc in reply to tommy

Unfortunately, I doubt that's possible.

Posted by DCN in reply to tommy

I agree with you, of course, but it should be noted that "killer bees" have in fact killed more people than avian flu.

Posted by wzwriter

Yes, death is so hysterical.  I know I'll laugh my a$$ off when death finally comes calling for Sun Myung Moon.  Hopefully, he'll take the whole Washington Times straight to hell with him.....

Posted by Clevenative

I'll never understand conservatives. The Bush administration view of the "War On Terror" is such a perfect example of their inconsistencies.  Fear the phony WMD's, fear the non-existent Iranian nukes,  keep track of this week's terror alert color, and keep an eye out for anything Muslim - but by all means go on with life as usual in your travel, vacations, consumption of the nation's resources, and personal spending. Capturing the guy most responsible for 9/11 is almost now irrelevant and concern over global crisis are just hysteria. I think I'm wearing a bald spot from scratching my head!:)

Posted by land_stephen1380

Funny how the non-terror of AIDS kills more people every year than the terror of terrorism. Hmmmm. 

Posted by archae

Isn't Wesley Pruden that racist still at the Mmonie Times?

 Yup, he is.

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-archibald/time-for-regime-change-at_b_29968.html

Posted by laissezfairesucks

What an unimaginable scumbag this bastard is.

For the record, the Human Immunodeficiency Virus was MOST LIKELY introduced into the human population from TAINTED HEPATITIS B VACCINES TRIALS commenced in the late 1970s or 1980 !! There is ample evidence supporting this theory, the early vaccine was "grown" in simian tissue cultures and was very likely contaminated. Whether this was intentional or not remains a mystery. The fact that bastards such as this continue to refer to AIDS as the "gift of gays" shows the very type of mentality necessary for anyone who might have intentionally infected humans with HIV. Hey, Pruden, why are all the infected in Africa STRAIGHT????? To think Dan Rather was booted for so much less!!!

Posted by laissezfairesucks

And more info for those who care to consider that gays have been targeted in one of the most horrific cases of genocide in the modern era:

http://notaids.com/en/node/84

Posted by Goodfella57

I write this a little drunk and in the early stages of a 10mg Ambien kicking in. Look, you people just don't get it...Whether its AIDS or GLOBAL WARMING, its the government trying to gain control of individual freedoms. I find it ironic that the left is "outraged" about telecoms companies working with the Bush administration to listen in on terrorists conversations. Yet they see no problem with government controlling energy usage to combat 'Global Warming'. Its all in the agenda, I guess. I am distressed by all the hatred I see and sorry to say it comes mostly from the left and websites like this. "All right wing talk show hosts are racist bigots spewing hate" Come on - they're not and you know it. 

Posted by worrierking in reply to Goodfella57

You've hit the trifecta.

Alcohol, pharmaceuticals and just a touch of paranoia.

Sweet dreams.

Posted by pbg in reply to Goodfella57

No.

Where is the government "control" of energy use in any of the global warming proposals? It's all been taxes, subsidies and incentives to come up with alternatives. As the Right is so fond of saying, actions have consequences. Have sex with strangers--or with someone who has sex with strangers? Run the risk of getting AIDS. Drive a Hummer? contribute to glabal warming. There's no banning of Hummers or Energy rationing--just paying for your actions and developing opportunities to do things differently.

If you want to drive your 4x4 and don't want the Government to confiscate it, I'm on your side. If you're going to WHINE about increasing the PRICE for that activity, STFU.

Posted by Kyle_Broflovski in reply to Goodfella57

I love when cons come on this site, aghast that people on the 'left' can experience an emotion as passionate as hate. 

I guess the other side of that coin is - can people on the 'right' actually feel love?  Is it possible? 

Posted by commonsenseliberal in reply to Kyle_Broflovski

Of course they can feel love - they just feel it with underage pages, prostitutes and in airport bathrooms.

Posted by Lorelei in reply to Goodfella57

"All right wing talk show hosts are racist bigots spewing hate" Come on - they're not and you know it.

 

K, you got me on that one.   I haven't heard one yet that didn't spew some form of hate, (mild or strong) hate is still hate even if you couch it sweetly on the tongue.

Posted by wookie in reply to Goodfella57

Yep, the Commie pinko red diaper doper baby Stalinist bastards are just filled with hate...

Posted by snoopy in reply to Goodfella57

Gee, got us there. For instance, look at this hate coming from a liberal saying that electing a progressive congress is tantamount to treason. Oh, snap! That's not a liberal, its Glenn Beck!

Then there's this liberal using his program to call for the murder of an anti war protester. Oops, double snap! That's no liberal, it's Ronnie Reagan's right wing son!

You're gonna have to help us out here, is there a different definition for hate when it comes to liberals?

Posted by Goodfella57 in reply to snoopy

Snoopy,

You're links are ultra left-wing blog sites. 

Look, I could go to Newsbusters or Little Green Footballs and come up with endless examples of liberal bias and left-wing hate speech that would be dismissed here as right-wing blather. So what's the point? 

Posted by pete592 in reply to Goodfella57

I think Snoop was a bit off target.  As I said in my response below, the issue is not so much hate as it is the hypocrisy of what the FCC considers to be obscene.  We can't have any four-letter words, but we'll allow right-wingers to make 'conservative jokes' about killing babies and war protesters all day long.

Posted by pearlene_scott1602 in reply to Goodfella57

You're links are ultra left-wing blog sites.  So what's the point? 

Goodfella, you claimed the right wing nuts on radio don't sprew hate. Where the information come from does not change the words that these nuts said. 

“We ought to find the people who are doing this,” Reagan said, “take ‘em out, and shoot ‘em. Really. Just find the people who are sending those letters…to demoralize our troops…they are traitors to this country…and shoot them. You have a problem with that? Deal with it. But anybody who would do that doesn’t deserve to live. You call them traitors–that’s what they are–and you shoot ‘em dead. I’ll pay for the bullet.”

The son of a former President is calling for innocent people to be shot! Their opinion does not mesh with his so shoot them. 

In an interview with Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), a Congressional Progressive Caucus member and the first Muslim elected to Congress, Beck asked, “What I feel like saying is, ‘Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies.’

This man Ellison is an American citizen who has a different religion. He was elected by American citizens who didn't think he was 'the enemy'. Who the h*ll is this nut Beck to request this man prove he's not the enemy?

They sprew hate each and every day and if you don't agree with them, if you speak out against them and if you're different your the enemy or you deserve to be shot.

There's a special place in h*ll for the folks that sprew the right wing propaganda.   

Posted by commonsenseliberal in reply to pearlene_scott1602

You're right, Pearlene.  Again, a very good post.

It seems to me that Beck and Reagan are the traitors here.  While I don't espouse capital punishment in any form, for any reason, if anyone deserves to be shot as traitors, it would be the current administration, the cronies involved with it, and a$$holes like Beck and Reagan.

So Reagan wants to shoot people who send letters to the troops denouncing the war?  Reagan wants to shoot people for exercising the rights guaranteed to them by our constitution?  Really?

That sounds more like a traitor to me than any of the other "treasonous" actions mentioned by these two jagoffs.

Posted by Goodfella57 in reply to pearlene_scott1602

Pearlene,

Well, I'm not a fan of Michael Reagan - The Beck quote I have heard and he has admitted that it was a "poorly worded question", but I do not consider it 'hate-speech'.

I still maintain that there is far more hatred, venom and just plain cruelty  coming the left than the right.  

You must be so proud of Al Franken

 

Posted by pete592 in reply to Goodfella57

"Well, I'm not a fan of Michael Reagan

[...] 

You must be so proud of Al Franken."

Quick to disassociate yourself, and even quicker to associate others.

Posted by commonsenseliberal in reply to pete592

Of course you know, Pete, that when a con pulls out the association trick, it's because s/he is losing the argument...

They cannot argue the facts, because the facts aren't on their side.

Posted by pete592 in reply to snoopy

Yesterday Randi Rhodes raised an excellent point about obscenity in radio content these days.

She finds it incredibly ironic that she is steadfastly forbidden from using four-letter words on the radio, yet we allow Michael Reagan to freely and happily talk all he wants about inserting grenades into babies' digestive tracts.

It really speaks to the greater issue of what's wrong with American censorship in general.  Take motion pictures for example.  Even some of the most explicit and horrific violence will merely earn a film an 'R' rating.  But as far as nudity and sexual situations, anything beyond a breast or behind shot brings forth an 'NC-17' label.

Posted by NiceguyEddie in reply to Goodfella57

Is that you, Rush?

Posted by Lorelei

A few researchers now suggest that everyone, even the elderly white-haired Lutheran grannies of rural Minnesota famously harassed by airport security officers as suspected Islamist terrorists, be tested for HIV infection. This would be a criminal waste of resources that could be usefully applied to finding better treatment for the disease.

 

I do agree with this statement though. 

Posted by wookie

"We were all supposed to be dead now, done in by AIDS, the gift of the gays"

Obnoxious, even by right wing standards.  AIDS didn't succeed in killing everyone on Earth therefore its not a problem. And the right wouldn't have to worry about gifts of the gays if they would narrow their stances in those airport bathrooms.

 

Posted by commonsenseliberal in reply to wookie

And the right wouldn't have to worry about gifts of the gays if they would narrow their stances in those airport bathrooms. -- Wookie

I hope you're not agreeing that AIDS is the gift of the gays...

 

Posted by j238

The fact is the heterosexual AIDS epidemic in the US was a complete fabrication.

The epidemic in the developing world is an unrelated story.  Epidemiologists are very careful about confusing first world and third world HIV.