Dick Morris, getting his talking points from scumbag loser diner patrons in Indiana, huh?

Well, dere ya go... all we need ta know...

Congratulations to you, Dick Morris, for uncovering the secret Muslim sleeper-agent trying to infiltrate the U.S. government.

What tipped you off?  His dark skin?

it was actually the way he ignored all the warnings in the summer of 2001 that a big al qaeda attack was coming, the way his administration outed an undercover operative specializing in wmd and.......wait a minute???  that wasn't a democrat.

Dick Morris is the least american of the bunch.I don't regard him as a citizen of this nation. I would like to hear him say the pledge of allegiance. Must be a hellhole inside the FOX building, where intellect roams every hallway.

Dick Morris doesn't regard himself as a citizen of this nation either, apparently.  That's why he won't pay his taxes, like all true, patriotic Americans.

http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=6134720

Dick must think America=White People because he uses these terms as synonyms. Hey Dick the days of White Nationalism are over. We're not coming back to the plantation. Get over it. And keep looking for a conscious African American who is proud of your Jim Crow history. That's a good way for a a redpeck to waste his time.

and waste ours.

Great insight.  Actually, Dick Morris is probably the sleeper foreign agent.  Remember this is the guy who had a hooker in his room when he took a security call all the while cavorting with the hooker.  And he thinks he has any moral authority to make a comment about Obama.  He is so verty silly I am unsure whether to vomit or laugh when he pontificates like this.  Morris is an immoral slug whose entire life makes him absolutely unfit to make any comments about patriotism.  What I want to know, was the hooker cleared and vetted to overhear security covered telephone calls.  Just like I thought.  The answer is a resounding NO!!!!!  So I say, Mr. Dick Morris, SHUT UP!!!!!  Your license to pontificate expired when your own life was so far off the mark, security wise.

No foreign country would have him work for them.

Mr. Morris, you are, in every way imaginable, A DICK!

I think the question that plagues McCain is.... does he care about the American people, and what they think?

He clearly thinks that withdrawing our troops from Iraq is 'not that important'.

I'd rather my candidate be pro-Americans, than just pro-America.

There is no question about it. Dick Morris PLAGUES America.

"Dick Morris is a disease. And I'm the cure."

 

 

He is hateful

I disagree with all you folks...

Just kidding, Dick Morris is an a-hole.

Dick Morris seems like a real slimeball and what is his obsession with the Clintons? I guess now it will be an obsession against Obama. 

"what is his obsession with the Clintons?"

A paying gig, that's what it is. 

Morris was never a very ideologically driven person even when he worked for Democrats.  Bill Clinton hired him because of his work in "triangulation" which is basically the Republican-lite, poll driven, slightly left of center politics that the DLC has come to represent.  Morris has always been about getting office for the sake of getting office rather for achieving any sort of goals.

His big problem with the Clintons is that they FIRED him over the revelation that he has a habit of hiring prostitutes to let him suck their toes.  Apparently he thinks that doing so was some form of unthinkable betrayal.

And Fox gives this sap money for doing it.

No he is still insanely jealous of Mrs. Clinton to the point one can almost determine he has an unrequited love for Bill Clinton.   It is all so obvious.  I have had some clients in his sort of dilemna and it is not pretty at all.  Poor thing is to be pitied.  His crush on Bill Clinton still haunts him and compells him to be so distructive to Hillary.  And to think Fox News is so clearly clueless. 

 

But he remains, Mrs. Morris' Little Dick.

Pray tell, which one of our conservative friends on this site told us that americans were smart enough to not fall for the Obama is a muslim schtick again?

When Dick Morris starts talking about political antibodies and resisting infections, perhaps that should be a clue to him that he is at best,  over-analyzing,  and far more likely he is just losing it.

Along with just about every talking head on your side. They are coming unglued... some quicker than others, of course.

Which brings up this juicy specimen of quality Neoconservative illogic, perhaps the oldest such specimen known.

If only Jeter2 had Tommy's good sense and humility.

My my my...If only you could wait till I actually posted something before launching a personal attack, that would be kinda nice. But I'm getting used to your angry young man shtick. It's kinda cute...

I just got here, haven't posted anything about Dick yet, & here you are talking trash about me. Gosh, what a shocker :-O I'd never expect such a thing from a Liberal ;-)

Tell ya what 8, go suck on Morris's toes, & have a nice day :-)

 

Now on topic. Morris is a waste of space. Nothing he says is worth repeating. I'm not the least bit concerned about Obama being "pro-American"...of course he is. This is just more propaganda from FOX. Totally expected & will likely continue. I'm more interested in Obama's plans to recharge the economy & get us the hell out of Iraq.

I've grown weary of this preemptive strike mentality toward other posters, either named or unnamed.  It's not cool, funny or clever.

Ditto on that.

Former Busheep unite!

I know what he should do to bring gas prices down...call for a Manhattan style project to get Americans off oil.  The reason gas is so high is because of speculation, and if he did that, the speculators would freak out.

Also, he should take the contracts for oil back that are not being used and give them to someone who will use them.

That's just what I hope he'll do though, we'll see... 

Obama's plan to recharge the economy is to drastically raise taxes and increase regulations. He learned in his economic classes that raising taxes on capital gains and dividends actually helps the economy, because more people will invest in the stock market, because investors love giving their money to the government for corrupt bureaucrats to waste on failed social programs.

Do you carry that crap around on 3 x 5 cards, Rinopunter?Keep up the good work!

And you show your ignorance when equating the stock market with the economy in general.  Taxing capital gains (or not) is such a tiny part of the decision making on investing.  Think of how well the stock market has done since Bush cut the capital gains tax and how well it did when Clinton kept it so very very awfully high.  Now, go find another talking point.

And at least Obama has thought about the economy.

President Clinton cut taxes on dividends and capital gains when he was President. Get a clue.

I think that, fundamentally, what Obama needs is a national security type. He needs somebody like a Biden, a sort of Democratic Dick Cheney who's immersed in Washington

Biden should feel very insulted.  That has to approach the level of legally slanderous.

The question that plagues Dick Morris: Have I know Shame?

The question that plagues Dick Morris: Are there any toes around that I haven't sucked on yet?

The question that plagues Dick Morris?

Why is he bias? How much money does the GOP smear machine pay him? Watch for his idiotic statements throughout the next 5 months.

Of course only on FAUX.

Amazing as usual unless he says America is perfect and has always been perfect some will say he isn't patriotic.Why isntthe patriotism of those supporting display and reverence of the confederate flag challenged the same way...esp other Presidential candidates likeMcCainand Huckabee..

 

 

He must be in toe-sucking withdrawal...

When I hear Americans like Dick Morris asking stupid questions on the TV, I start to hate America.

Better watch out - you might find yourself being waterboarded.

Hmm, that's funny. When I hear stupid questions being asked, here or anywhere, I realize how lucky we are to live in America, where each person is free to express their own views, no matter how nutty. 

Fox News appearances have nothing to do with America.  And Fox News is not free to express that the next US President and First Lady are “terrorists”.

So Gov, yesterday you said Fox must go, now you say they, or someone on their network, is not free to say something.  Put your money where your blustering is and tell us what you would do about it. 

Wow, Tommy, this 'free speech' thingy seems to be a sore spot for you. Why is that... were you told to shut up often as a kid? Same way that Billy O'Reilly tells his 'guests' to shut up whenever they make him uncomfy in front of the television cameras?

Yeah. Some 'freedom', huh?

What a ridiculous rebuttal. Putting words in Tommy's mouth while ignoring the real culprit who says he hates his country and that a news organization should be censored.

Whatever, Crispy. You cannot even address the double standard issue I brought up in my post. Oh sure, it wasn't OBVIOUS but I wanted to make you exercise your brain a bit more than usual.

You have another crack at it. Go...

Must you always try to degrade anothers intelligence to make yourself feel smarter? It's almost as if you want to be recognized as the "intellectual" in the room. What? You feel superior because you went to graduate school? Good god man! That's hardly a world shaking accomplishment. In any event it doesn't take a master's degree to understand that no matter how hard you try to rationalize it, there is no defense for Govenors's ridiculous statements. His revelation later in the thread where he indicates he will single handidly take down FOX News is pretty much all we need to know about his mental health. Don't you feel so stupid now for defending his idiocy?

His revelation later in the thread where he indicates he will single handidly take down FOX News is pretty much all we need to know about his mental health.

Um.... I never made that claim.  Are you stupid?

"but I'm taking steps to put them out of business"

Ah, yes you did....above and elsewhere. 

Um... and that's true.  I am.  But I never made the claim that I will single handidly take down FOX News. Are you stupid?

Well, you didn't tell us you were working with anyone else on your mission, you made it seem like you were going it alone, don't blame us for your lack of clarity.

Google "Fox News" and you'll find plenty of links about exposing and ending its plague on journalism and America.

Here is what is stupid "You can celebrate and/or defend Fox News’ deplorable act of treason if you must, but I'm taking steps to put them out of business." The word "I'm" is not plural here sir.  If not single handidly then you should have said we, or me and some others, etc. not "I'm."

Written any new Zodiac letters lately?

 

I'm not arrogant enough to speak for people other than myself. Google "boycott fox news" and you may glean from the hits you get that putting them out of business in not a singular effort.

 

 

"but I'm taking steps to put them out of business"

Yeah, silly us, nothing arrogant about that statement. 

I take also take steps to curb global warming.  Do you even know what arrogant is?

Well, shutting down Fox News will save alot of airwave and network electricity, so it all fits now.  Carry on "Fox Dismantler"

It might also help to lift the fog of stupidity that has been foisted onto otherwise good and decent people for the past ten years or so.

Yes, I am calling Fox News and those who are influenced by it 'STUPID'... for those who want it said OBVIOUSLY.

Oh come on, Tommy. This is dumb even by your standards. Any time any of us fight back against a bad business, we are "taking steps to put them out of business." Nowhere did Gov say he was doing it alone. Get over yourself.

I see you didn't address the issue raised in my earlier post about the double standards therefore my more recent post to you still stands. Have a nice day. :)

Oh, and as far as degrading your intelligence? You have to have intelligence in the first place for me to degrade it. :)

Nastiness is the prime bastion of a poor point of view.

Tell that to the slimeball loony rightwing radio talkers. I am simply mirroring them.

Stings, doesn't it?

"Oh, and as far as degrading your intelligence? You have to have intelligence in the first place for me to degrade it. :)"

Wow! Another wonderful example of Rabbitman's excellent debate skills. Please tell me when I should start being impressed with you.

Take a hint - I learned how to be nasty from YOUR side. So in a sense I've been Hannitzed, Savaged, Levinized, CunTinghammed, etc. I've learned to play by their rules. Get the picture now?

And yet your response... it proves that the silly double standard still exists... the double standard in which the Right can get away with being slimeballs, bigots, racists, namecallers, you name it - but if a lib does it then it's 'insulting' and 'treasonous'.

Want a challenging topic? Here it comes... explain why that double standard exists and why it is accepted.

And again... you didn't address the first part of that post so don't get all in my face with the debating skills crap. You haven't put anything on the canvas yet in regards to the topics I brought up.

When you decide to do so then you will have my attention and respect.

I think what you fail so miserably to understand is that just because I admonished Govenor and agree with Tommy at times doesn't make me part of "your side" i.e. conservative, you silly rabbit. I have posted here for quite some time and most here will tell you that I am quite far from being an arch conservative or anything close. In fact I am quite liberal on many issues and conservative on some. What your posts tell me is that you troll for anyone who doesn't tow the far left line and you try to pounce on them as being conservative. Your idiocy, although appalling, is simply indicative of your inability to be objective. Your no different that the partisan hacks on the right. In fact your quite pitiful really. I feel sorry for you because your whole argument here hinges on your speculation that I am a conservative. You have based that on my admonishment of Gov saying he hates his country. So what you have done is made a uninformed judgement about me based on one post and then based an illigitimate argument on that judgement. That being said, it is amusing to watch you continue to dig yourself deeper in that whole, given I am not a conservative in the manner of which you want to portray me. I have voted Democrat 90% of the time in the past 42 years you silly rabbit. Your argument is baseless and flawed. You got nothin'. 

Furthermore, I don't have to explain Sh!t to you. Your inability to make informed judgements has destroyed your credibility with me sir. I certainly haven't sought your respect and getting it would not even be as important as a pimple on my arse. Anyway, I realize there is a double standard in the realm of political discussion in terms of people like Savage, Hannity, etc. That is in no way a justification IMO for saying that you hate this nation because certain policy makers led us into a unecessary war. As a veteran who has shed blood for this nation and watched my friends die, I take umbrage to Govenors assinine comments. Not because he is liberal and I am conservative but because it is simply disrespectful of not only the opportunities this nation gives people but more importantly it is disrespectful of the millions who have given their lives for this country he hates. The reality is that I could care less if you agree with his sorry comments but you need to understand that such beliefs, although permissable and well within his rights as an American, are flat out disrespectful; as are you for defending them. It's numbnuts like you and Govenor who take advantage of everything this nation has to offer, which came through blood sacrifice of others, only to sh!t on it later when bad people make bad decisions. Pathetic.  

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Feel better now?

Since we are now in a pissing contest - hey, fine by me, btw - I find you to be PATHETIC that you are DUMB enough to not look deeper into the Gov's comments. Now does he REALLY hate America? Maybe... or maybe not but why take such offense at it even if he does? Why does it affect YOU on such a personal level. Personally, I couldn't care less whether someone hates this country or not. Their opinions, beliefs, values, etc. do not affect me whatsoever. The only thing that matters to me in this regard is whether I hate this country or not - which, for the record, I do not - and I certainly do not have to justify my view with you or anyone. There are MANY things about this country I DO find detestable. I will list those if you wish.

Perhaps the Gov's comment about 'hating America' is more about hating certain things in this country's history, certain things in this country's culture, certain UNWRITTEN values this country has held for a long time that have caused distress to not only citizens of this country but others as well. Many examples of that can be found in history. Go research them if you must on your own time... this isn't the place for it.

What disgusts me about the rightwing is that to them this country cannot be legitimately criticized with impunity. The 'you're unpatriotic, you hate America, you traitor!' mentality that's spewed whenever someone, usually someone on the left, makes a thoughtful and intelligent criticism of a policy, politician, Administration, President, etc. It's almost as if those people who scream 'traitor!' are indoctrinated in the same sort of propaganda that led to such horrible events as the Holocaust. There is no rational thought, no reason, only raw emotion and I know that those who depend solely on raw emotion as a substitute for reason are utter fools. Dangerous fools in fact... as history has borne out.

Lastly, while your service to this country is commendable, I find it to be offensively arrogant that you would use it as a justification for attacking another person's opinion. I find it appalling that you would choose to dishonor your service in such a shameful manner.

Just my opinion, of course, take it or leave it. I really don't give a damn.

I don't understand what you're what from me.  Fox News has no right to call the next US President a "terrorist".  Terrorists killed 3000 Americans on 9/11.  Fox News crossed the line here.  You can celebrate and/or defend Fox News’ deplorable act of treason if you must, but I'm taking steps to put them out of business.

Don't expect a profound answer from Tommy on this. He will simply sulk off into his corner for a while...

"taking steps to put them out of business"

Really?  But you keep saying they have "no right", what steps are you taking in that regard?

What specifically do you need from me? 

I don't need anything from you, I am simply asking for clarification.  If you don't care to respond, or cannot, just tell me and I will stop asking.

Clarification of what?

Gov, I have asked you specific questions, yesterday when I asked you how Fox News must go, you told me to ask the terrorists.  Read back on our conversation here, I don't need to repeat it, it's right here.  If you don't want to answer, fine.

Fox News must go out of business.  I'm taking steps to help make that happen.  Are you asking to look through my outgoing mail?

Ah.......No.  I believe you.

Well, since you asked me 12 times, here you go...

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> From: XXXXXXXXXXXX
> To: e.d.hill@foxnews.com
> CC: roger.ailes@foxnews.com
> Subject: Question
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:36:57 -0400
>
>
> Dear E.D. Hill:
>
> I am unclear as to why on earth you would ask if Senator Obama would give a "terrorist fist jab" to his wife.  As you know, terrorists killed 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001.  It is plainly and simply beneath contempt for you to link a man who will likely be the next President of The United States of America with people who have absolutely no respect for human life.  Shame on you.
>
> Sincerely,

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RE: Question‏
From:     XXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent:     Wed 6/11/08 10:26 AM
To:     e.d.hill@foxnews.com
Cc:     roger.ailes@foxnews.com
 
Dear E.D. Hill:
 
Your statement (non-apology) regarding your "terrorist" remark about Senator Obama was truly strange and totally nonsensical.  Fox News most certainly did mean to associate the word "terrorist" with Senator Obama and his wife.  This is obvious because it was written into your script, which you read from your teleprompter.
 
Dear Fox News:
 
If you fail to issue a real apology on this matter and if you continue to tar Americans with vicious slander as you trivialize terrorism for the blind sake of vile and partisan corporate propaganda, you’ll be out of business by the end of the year.
 
Sincerely,

I applaud anyone concerned enough to take their time and write to any media outlet detailing their grievances with their programming, you get a high five from me on that.

Not sure how you intend to put them out of business?, but if enough people do what you are doing, irrespective of the your promise "they will be out of business by the end of the year", it may have an impact, we will see. 

If there was a widespread revolt of epic proportions against Fox News, their viewership dropped into unmeasurable territory, their advertisers started jumping ship, and monkeys started flying out of my backside, Rupert Murdoch would simply keep it afloat with his fortune and lose money until he found another sensationalist crap formula to get the masses ginned up and the advertisers interested again.

Best thing to do - this is what I did, btw - is to simply yank the damn cable out of the TV. Cancel the service. Go back to watching TV the way it was meant to be watched, with DECENT, ENTERTAINING, and FACTUAL programming for a change. With a pair of rabbit-ears or a decent rooftop aerial. Ditch the sensationalist moronic tripe that passes for 'television' these days.

I realize how lucky we are to live in America, where each person is free to express their own views, no matter how nutty.  - tommy

Why thank you, for reprinting my post on this page too.  But you serve mankind better with your single-handed attempts to shut down TV networks.

Don't forget that he hates the country which gives him the "right" to single handidly take down a media empire. That's rich for sure. Wierd but rich.

Hate is a bit of a motivator for me.  Fear can be too.  If you want me to love my country always, I can honestly say that ain't gonna happen.  My government killed 100,000 Iraqis and 4,000 US Troops in the last 5 years alone.  Blind devotion don’t feel right at the moment.  Maybe when the blood dries.

Obviously hate is a motivator for you. Why you hate your country and not the policy makers of this debacle is beyond me. But hey, that's the difference between me and you I love my country despite it's shortcomings. I recognize that overall we are a good nation who has made mistakes. I would never hate the country which gave me the opportunities that I have had. You on the other hand take such gifts as entitlements which directly correlates to giving those who sacrificed so much the finger. Hope your proud of that, what a great guy you must be.

I'm ok with being judged by you.  I try and stay humble and honest.

Humble and honest while you hate our country and give the finger to each and every soldier who made the ultimate sacrifice for this great land. This isn't about how you feel, it's about your assinine comments.

You cannot bully me.  Too many innocent people have been killed.  It's not bad policy.  It's criminal.  People who voted for Bush (some twice) have more blood on their hands than me.  Their so-called pride (and yours) is inspired, in part, by guilt.

Pride in country is out of guilt?  If that isn't arrogant and asinine and down right idiotic, I don't know what it is.  Gov, go back to closing Fox's doors, you make more sense.

Pride in country is out of guilt?

In part, yes.  And whenever it's required, it's also false.

This is silly. Govs' comment was satirical, in reaction to the rightwing stupid talking point that anyone who speaks against any Bush policies "hates America"

In part, yes.  But also sprinkled with truthiness.

And an inability to resist watching Tommy chase his tail for a while. ;0)

Not bagging, Gov., I've been known to do it too.AChris is usually pretty reasonable, and I generally like his posts, but I think he may have misunderstood it, probably with some help from Tommy's twisting.

What a moron. I never voted for Bush. If the policy is criminal then so be it. If you hate your country because Bush took us to war and innocent people got killed that is flat out wierd. Have you no decency or respect for this nation and those who died for it?

What a moron. I never voted for Bush. If the policy is criminal then so be it.

I never said you voted for Bush.  As for the countless dead from this illegal and unjust war and as for your "so be it" to the ongoing body count, to me, that's simply un-American.  I can honestly say that there are times when I hate my country and what it does in my name.  And, as a rugged American, I don't care what you think about my opinion.  Rock on.

"People who voted for Bush (some twice) have more blood on their hands than me.  Their so-called pride (and yours) is inspired, in part, by guilt. "

You moron, you effectively lumped me in with those who voted for Bush with you comments above. You remind me of a 8 year old trying to lie his way out fo trouble after being caught red-handed. Your hatred for this nation which so many have died for is flat out disrespectful of their sacrifice. Rationalize it any way you want. Justify it you can't.

I don't love my country always.  Deal with it or move to Canada.

then you don't respect the millions who gave their lives so you can hate it. You take advantage of all this nation has to offer but I dare say you wouldn't put your arse on the line for it. You hate America because bad people make bad policy? Wierd.  

Of course Chris, it makes no sense. Governor hates this country because it allows Dick Morris to spew his idiocy on national TV, which is the exact reason to love this country, and to be grateful to those who have served and sacrificed so we have the freedoms we enjoy. Governor wants opposing opinions shut down, which is what freedom-less countries do, obviously meaning that he reveres that in other countries and wishes it for America, which is why he hates it here, so in that regard, he does make sense. He just better be careful what he wishes for.

Tommy: be grateful to those who have served and sacrificed

You and Chris do not get to determine how other people engage in this activity.  You are both absolutely powerless in that regard.

No, you're right.  But if you think those that have served and sacrificed appreciate it when someone says they hate America simply because we allow all sorts of varying points on view on cable TV, then you are sadly misguided. 

For those who have served and sacrificed fought and died for the very freedoms you despise, if you can't see the blatant disrespect in that, you're hopeless.

Again, I don't always love my country.  I could lie and say that I always love America, all the time no matter what, for the sake of making you and Chris feel better, but I don't really see much point in that.

What did the 4,000 troops in Eye-rack die for, Tommy? Did they die to keep AMERICA free? What is the reason, Tommy? Why did approx. 60,000 die in Vietnam? Was that ALSO to keep AMERICA free? How did this country benefit from that war? Come on!

Don't hand me that ridiculous argument. It's not about the war or the right or wrong of any foreign conflict, it's about the respect that those who serve their country, especially those who do so on any foreign soil as part of their directed mission, deserve from us, the fortunate citizens who sit here and type of blogs.  One doesn't have to love everything their country does, but to hate America because we celebrate opposing points of view, aka Dick Morris, which is specifically what Governor said,  is a slap in the face to anyone who has served and dies for our freedoms.  If you don't get that, and he obviously doesn't,  that is too bad.  You have your opinions.

We disagree. 

No, Tommy.  This is about you and Chris not being able to tolerate the opinions of your fellow Americans.  The fact that you're trying to score political points off of the backs of fallen US soldiers is a total disgrace.  Shame on you.

Ridiculous only because you cannot confront it with a rational response. Another rightwing tactic - disparage what you cannot answer.

It's really not healthy for you to pass such high-minded judgment like that onto people you do not know.  I don't really care what you think of me, but for your own spiritual well being, you might want to cut that out.  Oh, by the way, that's at least the 3rd time you've misspelled ‘weird’, which is rather odd.

Very well said Chris!

whoever said words to the effect that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel was insightful. Whoever said Fox is a real news organization is an idiot.

I thought all the "America love it or leave it" fossils died with that crook Nixon.

Ah, great point Chris.......I didn't look it at that way, but you are absolutely right.  So when Fox announces they are closing shop, we can send the Governor a dozen roses in appreciation.

Well written letter Gov. 

Agreed, but he probably should expect a visit from O'Reilly's - well, in this case, Dick's goons from 'Fox Security'. ;-)

Who are you to decide what someone or some entity doesn't have the right to do?

I'm the decider.

Yeah, whatever. You hate this country which is obviously evident by your self absorbed thinking that your rights are more important that others.

Seriously, have you written any new Zodiac letters lately?

Tommy,

You bring up a good point about freedom of speech.  Not withstanding what you think about Morris, he didn't say anything that outrageous. He is actually being a realist and letting Obama's camp understand what he needs to do to win.

If anyone thinks Morris is wrong and Obama is above having to prove he is pro-American to the electorate, then they don't understand politics.  Obama's associations with Wright, Ayers, Pfleger, Rezko, Khalidi, and Michelle, are all going to be used to paint Obama in an unflattering light. He is already coming from the left, which has the stigma of being anti-American with conservatives and independents alike.

No matter how much you think this is unfair, lots of people will judge Obama, not only on his platform, but also of his associations. 

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. ~Voltaire

AA,

I could care less what Dick Morris says, but to say that a presidential candidate has to prove he is "pro-American" is ridiculous.  And I know you are smart enough to see through such fear mongering crap from Morris, and Fox News. 

If there is substance to debate Obama over, fine, that is fair game.  Morris is just being provocative on Fox for obvious reasons, his own self preservation. 

Tommy,

We simply disagree. We'll have to watch and see, but it is my opinion that Obama's patriotism will be questioned all through the campaign.  

Yeah, that's right. Can't win on the issues so go for the low blow.

I have no doubt that it will be questioned by some, I would just hope that principled opposition stick to issues and the candidates visions for the country, which is what matters.

AA

That is a right wing smear, to give the imperession Senator Obama is not patriotic. Why would someone who hates America want to be our President? This is really nonsense and  IMO wrong, sleezy and borderline racist.

Sue, that's all they have. They cannot win on the issues. Period.

True, I do not see how anyone could vote for the GOP with $4.60 gallon of gas, rising food prices, unending war in Iraq. Oh thats right McCain said we are better off now than we were in 2000. I guess all is ok in McBush world.

And once again Barack's assertion that McManiac is running for Bush's third term is accurate.

If that really is the case then this election will be a landslide of epic proportions.

Sue-

You forget that all of those things are the fault of the Democratic-controlled Congress, which has ruled the country with an iron grip since 2006.

</sarcasm>

Thats right. Its all Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosis fault.

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Correction, only the nutjobs consider those who disagree with them as being un-American. I know many conservatives who are respectful of peoples political opinions even if they don't share them.

I see that you've joined the nutjobs.

Worrier,

Nice attempt at a putdown. But lets talk substance shall we?

One of the weaknesses that Obama has as a  candidate is that we are finding out he says things that he has to later retract.  Add to this the fact that his lofty rhetoric for "change" and a "new style of politics" is not matched by his political record or his campaign.

I have enough disagreements with Obama on policy alone that I will not be voting for him, (but you knew that.) My point is that for you (and others,) to say Obama's patriotism is above reproach by avoiding the issue and instead resorting to putdowns does not win any argument nor take away from the reality of the opposition that Obama faces.  

If you think Obama is pro-American, that is fine. You can still agree with Morris.  You cannot ignore the fact that Obama has long term relationships with people who are anti-American. Having these long term relationships  makes it difficult for many people to believe that Obama didn't share in their views about America.  

We are now seeing that he changes his views for political expediency. We've seen it with Wright, with his church, with meeting our enemies, with bitter Americans, etc., etc. 

If Obama can disown Wright a few weeks after he said he could not disown him, it goes to the heart of the matter as to whether the public can trust what Obama is saying.  I believe this will be one of the central themes of the Republicans against Obama.  

The right doesn't have to prove Obama isn't patriotic, it only has to plant the seeds of doubt. My guess is that will keep Obama on the defensive and having to counter with his proclamations of patriotism. 

I'll talk nothing with you.

You've got the balls to put the Voltaire quote about defending everyone's rights in the same post that you state that both conservatives and independents think that anyone on the left is Un-American?

You've gone from being someone willing to discuss issues to a flame thrower AA. You've lost any semblance of integrity with this accusation that we're Un-American because we're on the left.

You owe everyone an apology.

"You owe everyone an apology."

Nah... he'll just pull an 'E.D.' or play the miserable 'I was misunderstood' card that the Shrub played while in Europe. He won't take responsibility for his words. Nope.

You've gone from being someone willing to discuss issues to a flame thrower AA. You've lost any semblance of integrity with this accusation that we're Un-American because we're on the left.

You owe everyone an apology.

BRAVO King!

Worrier,

You are right. I chose my words poorly.

I should have said "some" conservatives and independents. 

I also apologize for saying the left is anti-American. My intention was to say 'the left is considered by some conservatives and independents as being weak on defense and wanting to quit fighting in Iraq.'

Sorry if I offended you.

I don't know why the words came out so small.  I wrote:

Sorry if I offended you. 

Anyone who thinks that there's a question about Obama being pro-American will not vote for him in any case. It's a wild-goose chase for the Obama campaign to go after those voters. That being said, they should still combat the false meme, and Media Matters should continue to point out the fakery that comes from Fox News et al.

AA,

Their not "anti-american" because YOU say they are. I am so sick of people taking it upon themselves to define what is "american" and "anti-american." Brave men did not die for this nation so that we all march goose step in line with some nationalistic dogma sir. If you want to believe that Obama's casual relationship with Ayers proves him to be "anti-american" despite having nothing to back that up except your own baseless assertions then fine. Sell yourself short all you want, just don't disrespect the brave folks who ACUTALLY SERVED THIS NATION  with your pompous idea that if they don't fit a conservative mold they are "anti-american."