"Let's put them in work camps! ARBEIT MACHT FREI!!!"

More evidence that Michael Savage is a jackbooted Nazi.

LITERALLY!

I'm starting to think that this is all an act with Michael Savage. No one -- even the most die-hard conservative/libertarian -- can be this heartless and vile.

Savage has a way with words, I'll give you that.  I dont listen to him, in fact, the only time i see his words are on this site.  But I don't see much a problem with majority of his point.

For example, I dont see a problem with giving people jobs for wages, as opposed to just a check for living.  The people who pay the taxes have to work for that money, and so should the people who are getting the 2nd hand money from that.  Nothing against homeless people - although many having serious mental problems from drugs, or are just flat out drug addicts.  But pardon me for not wanting to make a donation to that charity.  Gladly made an investment, but not a donation.

Isn't that antithetical to the expansion of government argument conservatives always make?

In truth, the majority of homeless don't get assistance from the federal government.  IN fact, besides homeless shelters, the only "assistance" they get is what people give them off the street.

Notice I said majority.   There are exceptions, yes, just as there are exceptions to just about everything. 

What's really sad is that many homeless are veterans...people we as society should be holding up no matter how long they need us to.  

I'm not even talking about the existing assistance they get.  Im referring to all welfare.  Give them income earning jobs - digging ditches, cleaning up parks, etc.  Anything to help better our society, yet earning their keep.  No one is going to hire a person who's been sitting on welfare for a year - so at least if they prove they can keep a stable low end job, they'll have somewhat of a opportunity to prove themselves in a job market.

You are willing to give them bootstraps though, right?

Nice pop shot!

Columbus wrote:

>>Give them income earning jobs - digging ditches, cleaning up parks, etc.  

What you are talking about are more government created jobs, period. You are also talking about an increase in government's role in the economy. And as Dbeden pointed out, most homeless people don't get government assistance--that is why they are homeless. If they can't hold down a job in the private sector, how are they going to be able to do it in the public sector? Likewise, if the jobs are so easy that they require no effort or thought, what future employer would look on such work favorably?  

Funnymanpants, you paint a pretty grim picture of the homless' work potential, How then would you deal with the problem? Keep giving them money and having them loaf around? Or maybe you want to just exterminate them?

How about we give them the jobs that are currently being filled by ILLEGAL immigrants. It's private sector work, so it wouldn't require government assistance [our tax dollars]...

We'd kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

Send Illegals home since they'd have no reason to be here, give the homeless an honest living and wages.

Sounds like a plan to me....

Jeter wrote:

>>How about we give them the jobs that are currently being filled by ILLEGAL immigrants. It's private sector work, so it wouldn't require government assistance [our tax dollars]...

There is nothing to stop the homeless people from taking the jobs now, except for their alcoholism and drug addiction, as well as other mental problems that keep them from holding a steady job. You can export the illegal aliens, but the homeless won't take them.

Illegals are here in part because no one else will take the work. In part, employers are to blame. In the normal free market economy, they should offer higher wages for such thankless, hard work, but with such cheap, desperate help available, they don't have to.  

I would say employers are responsible in full not in part.

Ummm, so you feel these illegal aliens should not take responsability for THIER OWN ACTIONS?

"...Sounds like a plan to me...." -Jeter

Wow. For the first time, i think i am in total agreement with you, Jeter.

"Send Illegals home since they'd have no reason to be here, give the homeless an honest living and wages."

   Any plan that would get the homeless off the street and into fair paying employment would be fantastic. But, I don't think swapping illegals for homeless would work out well. Mainly because the illegals are here to work, the homeless are not willing to work (the majority of both groups). While there is a small percentage of homeless who are homeless because of a temporary situation, the majority are habitual homeless. With that same majority not willing to work. You might get a week or two out of them, but then they will run off to be homeless again.

   I think we better stick with the illegals doing the work, at least they are motivated to DO the job. Homeless people are NOT.

 

"What you are talking about are more government created jobs, period. You are also talking about an increase in government's role in the economy."-Funnymanpants

The government has to be of a reasonable size and influence, you seem to take the conservative principle of small government a bit too literally... 

 

So you mean "small government" figuratively, just like George Bush does? His "small government" is near the largest the Government has ever been.

Not at all, i do nto approve of bush's expansion of government, but this does mean government should be so small it is bound  turn into a black hole.

A government that is not large but is large enough to fulfill its allotted purpose is ideal. 

There's the crack in the wall.

As "FunnyManPants" put it:

What you are talking about are more government created jobs, period. You are also talking about an increase in government's role in the economy.

Come to think of it: How much longer before the Federal Government starts resorting to blackmail, coercion, or other questionable tactics to force employers to make jobs available "out of the goodness of their collective hearts"?

What is YOUR solution?

Dbden wrote:

>>Isn't that antithetical to the expansion of government argument conservatives always make?

Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. Work camps violate the sacrosanct doctrine of non-government interference in the eyes of the free market fundamentalists.  

It's suprising that all these holier than thou conservatives haven't suggested privatized work camps in lieu public supported work camps. I mean what fruit did they think Reagan's legacy would bare when he shut down the institutions that provided care for all the unfortunate lost souls?

But really, who do Jeter and Fin and Columbus and Phil think they are that they would consider themselves so high above common human frailty? Do they think they're special? Do they think their flesh and bones are made of better stuff?

Every last one of you (I bet you think you're Christians) need to consider your Ten Commandments and contemplate what Jesus meant about caring for the least among us. You are truly hypocrites.

I'm so sick of the heartless conservative dream with its people are only as worthy as the profit they can generate mumbo jumbo.

Thank you for reminding everyone that the homeless problem today is largely a result of St Ronnie's actions.

On second glance my post did have a unified theme, but thank you for the shout out. Ronnie was a corporate tool.

What did theses rightwing hyperventillators expect? That no care and no shelter for our tormented brothers would magically produce a culture of rugged individualists?

Conservatives have no concept of community, or the awesome responsibilities we must all accept to nurture a healthy society.

"No one -- even the most die-hard conservative/libertarian -- can be this heartless and vile." -Preston

I'm that heartless and vile. 

Except for one small alteration to Savage's plan, i would actually pay these people. You will never successfully get these people to work without incentive. 

Finarfin wrote:

>>[doesn't matter]

Please don't respond to Finarfin. He is literallly a Neo-Nazi. Here are his past posts:

***

Well clevantine, A saying that has just nascented (by my design) from the white nationalist movement is; we are here, we are strong, we shall prevail.

* - finarfin / Saturday March 1, 2008 9:17:42 PM EST

You my friend seem to be one of those who think that the right wing is of a McCain type model. You are wrong, your outrage at savages "hate speech" is nothing more than a reflexive regurgitation of the liberal propaganda fed to you since childhood. I think that those days of white dominion were grand old times, its what could be the golden age of white civilization.

 * - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:23:49 AM EST

John i salute you for defending conservative America along with men like Savage. I see and it pains me greatly that Europe has gone the way of authoritarian oppressive democracies draped in the burqa of equality. The cradle of civilization has been lost to the radical progressive Utopians and we can now see their ilk spouting socialism on the democratic side. But there is hope, the nationalist hard-right is re surging in Europe in the face of the injustice dealt upon it's people, it may be a bloody political change yet no less weak a movement would be able to overtake the deeply rooted progressive liberalism.

* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:18:18 AM EST

Well, inter racial mairrages are indeed an abomination, and equal segregation would be beneficial for all parties involved.

* - finarfin / Thursday January 24, 2008 10:55:44 AM EST

For there are liberals i know, who like me believe that for whatever reason the black race is on average lower in intellectual performance levels than whites or Asians. Does this make them supremacists?  technically it does, and so even if such a thing where proved, it would be denied by society. For it is similar to the reluctance of people to accept that the earth was round, even though there was evidence that it indeed was.

- finarfin / Friday January 25, 2008 5:59:33 PM EST


Nonetheless t'was about states rights. Slavery is in fact just a base economic method, but a viable method nonetheless. Do not make southerners out to be some unlearned bunch of crackers, You know the negro likewise inhabits this region. Are you saying that ALL southerners including black folks are stoopid??

* - finarfin / Monday January 21, 2008 1:22:45 AM EST

August heat, a part black person is considered Black because 1. they
most likely look "black" because of the genetic dominance of dark
pigments, 2. IT is very likely that they themselves consider
themselves "black" (perhaps because they resemble other Negroids).

He was raised by white guardians, and to this i attribute his cultured
mannerisms that resemble those of the "white devil."  He is as a
'typical black person' might say; a "white man's Negro."

* - finarfin / Saturday March 22, 2008 2:26:47 PM EDT

PBG, You will reach down to give them a handshake, and they will
revert to some ritualistic acceptance dance that involves much inane
hand motions and  grunting. This will eventually lead to you being
locked in some insane perversion of the handshake with said hoodlum.

* - finarfin / Saturday March 22, 2008 4:04:22 PM EDT
 Through our own history we have heard people describe the Native
     Americans, African Americans, and other minority groups as
     savages."

      Onionhead, these people were indeed savages. their low standard
      of living prompted their culture to develop into one that is
      particularity barbaric. Although their lack of development has
      stymied their ability to kill efficiently, this does not mean
      they commit savage acts with any less zeal.

      "When, in fact, you read the history books,"

      Well, these history books are written by humans who are also
      capable political sentiment. Americas history books are known to
      be tempered by a trace of liberal bias (as a student i have seen
      this). Whether the evil oppressive white man or the poor
      minority is savage is certainly a question that can easily be
      decided the writer of history books.

      It is notably ironic that though the  "winner writes the history
      books," in the case of white Americans the history books are
      written in favor of the losers.

      "you know the real savages were the ones who used the word
      "savage" as a justification for slavery and mass murder"

      All i have to say is; to the winner go the spoils.

      We won. If they had been in the position to win and had indeed
      one they would have done the same to us. The world is not a
      place that conforms to your naïve, idealistic fancy.

      

           * - finarfin / Saturday May 31, 2008 11:14:47 PM EDT 

It's funny, a while back I called him a Savage apologist, and for some reason he tried to refute me.  Yet, the only time we see him is in the Savage threads...

interesting... 

dbeden wrote:

>>It's funny, a while back I called him a Savage apologist, and for some reason he tried to refute me.  Yet, the only time we see him is in the Savage threads...

Huh. You certainly know what side of the conflict he would have taken if he lived in Germany in 1935. To the winner goes the spoils and all.

Damn I appreciate that post where you listed "Assclowns Greatest Hits"  I gave up on posters like him, hot nukey, philb and a few others a minute ago.  Just hate, hate, hate and yes more hate.  They never have a message that doesn't involve race.  Especially Narfy.  He has a really deep rooted hate inside of him. 

"Damn I appreciate that post where you listed "Assclowns Greatest Hits" 

   And calling someone "assclown" would be considered NOT-hateful? The mirror is right there. When you decide to start calling people hateful again, at least use the mirror and look that person in the eye!

Phil you are his Robin.  Who cares what you think?  Seriously, you come on a website and spout out hateful things about entire races.  I'm talking about one Ass clown.  Yes that is his name because every time he opens his racist mouth, sh#t comes out.  Most posters here don't say they believe in black domination or that interracial marriage is an abomination. When have you ever heard a poster come on here and justify the holocaust?  I've read posts where this fool has actually justified slaver.   He judges entire cultures.  Did you read the hoodlum comment about blacks being "tribal".  I could careless if Mr. Clown is offended.  His very presence here is offensive.

   And, as you so aptly put it; Who cares what you think?  Have you ever read posts by heru? Why is it only the right-wing racist is the bad racist? I've never heard YOU or anyone else complain about the racism that is posted by heru. Does that mean YOU approve of racism as long as it comes from a left-wing-nut? Since there is a lack of critisism from the left when a lefty displays his racism, I am led to the conclussion that being a left-wing-nut racist is A-OK in your book. Oh, yeah, your thought patterns are SOOO much better than anyone else's.

Actually, that's where you have me wrong Robin!! I don't tolerate ignorance be it, democrat, republican, black or white.  I don't judge people based on their political affiliation.  I've disagreed with posters here many times.  An example: Gay marriage, Hillary Clinton and a host of other topics.  I don't tote any party line.  The bottom line is Fin, yourself and some other conservative posters are habitually racist in your comments.  Whether you think it's funny or not, it is the one dividing factor that has caused poorer classes to not align with minorities to get better wages and healthcare.  How do you think Hitler got to his prominent position?  Hate.  Why is it Dr. Martin Luther King, both Kennedy's and Malcolm X were all assasinated?  Hate.  You clowns revel in our differences instead of celebrating them.  You ignore our similarities and live in a state of perpetual fear, where stereotypes define what it means to be black, latino or gay.  Your clowns.  So you don't care what I think?  The feelings mutual.  Don't respond to my posts anymore, Robin!!

"The bottom line is Fin, yourself and some other conservative posters are habitually racist in your comments."

   I think you should back that up with some proof. I realize you are a liberal and don't think proof is necessary, but when have I "habitually" made "racist" comments?? And, I noticed you said nothing about heru "habitually" posting racist comments. Like I said, you figure that is A-OK in your book because it's from a left-wing-nut. Typical liberal--hypocritical

Phil,

Since you don't seem to see Fin's controversial posts, here they are:

Well clevantine, A saying that has just nascented (by my design) from the white nationalist movement is; we are here, we are strong, we shall prevail.

* - finarfin / Saturday March 1, 2008 9:17:42 PM EST

You my friend seem to be one of those who think that the right wing is of a McCain type model. You are wrong, your outrage at savages "hate speech" is nothing more than a reflexive regurgitation of the liberal propaganda fed to you since childhood. I think that those days of white dominion were grand old times, its what could be the golden age of white civilization.

 * - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:23:49 AM EST

John i salute you for defending conservative America along with men like Savage. I see and it pains me greatly that Europe has gone the way of authoritarian oppressive democracies draped in the burqa of equality. The cradle of civilization has been lost to the radical progressive Utopians and we can now see their ilk spouting socialism on the democratic side. But there is hope, the nationalist hard-right is re surging in Europe in the face of the injustice dealt upon it's people, it may be a bloody political change yet no less weak a movement would be able to overtake the deeply rooted progressive liberalism.

* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:18:18 AM EST

Well, inter racial mairrages are indeed an abomination, and equal segregation would be beneficial for all parties involved.

* - finarfin / Thursday January 24, 2008 10:55:44 AM EST

For there are liberals i know, who like me believe that for whatever reason the black race is on average lower in intellectual performance levels than whites or Asians. Does this make them supremacists?  technically it does, and so even if such a thing where proved, it would be denied by society. For it is similar to the reluctance of people to accept that the earth was round, even though there was evidence that it indeed was.

- finarfin / Friday January 25, 2008 5:59:33 PM EST


Nonetheless t'was about states rights. Slavery is in fact just a base economic method, but a viable method nonetheless. Do not make southerners out to be some unlearned bunch of crackers, You know the negro likewise inhabits this region. Are you saying that ALL southerners including black folks are stoopid??

* - finarfin / Monday January 21, 2008 1:22:45 AM EST

August heat, a part black person is considered Black because 1. they
most likely look "black" because of the genetic dominance of dark
pigments, 2. IT is very likely that they themselves consider
themselves "black" (perhaps because they resemble other Negroids).

He was raised by white guardians, and to this i attribute his cultured
mannerisms that resemble those of the "white devil."  He is as a
'typical black person' might say; a "white man's Negro."

* - finarfin / Saturday March 22, 2008 2:26:47 PM EDT

PBG, You will reach down to give them a handshake, and they will
revert to some ritualistic acceptance dance that involves much inane
hand motions and  grunting. This will eventually lead to you being
locked in some insane perversion of the handshake with said hoodlum.

Actually, that's where you have me wrong Robin!! I don't tolerate ignorance be it, democrat, republican, black or white.  I don't judge people based on their political affiliation. - me yesterday.

Everybody has a right to their own opinion Philly.  Do me a favor, scroll down.  Did you read what Narfy said about being able to justify slavery?  That's a shame.  He's living in a time warp.  Slavery is no more justifiable than rape.  Forcing someone against their will to do something they don't want to do is justifiable?  Raping women and killing their husbands who even look at their assailants wrong is justifiable? Making it illegal to read for blacks and then killing them if it was found they knew how to read is justifiable?  You call me a hypocrite for not condeming Heru's comments I've never read, but you don't see your own hypocrisy.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  So what Heru makes ignorant statements (which I will continue to say I haven't read for myself), you can't qualify Narfy's statements by someone else's ignorance and say it's justified.  Actually you can do whatever the hell you want.  All you are is another coward behind a computer who only spews hate on websites.  I'd love to know what America you live in where you share your views publicly in the presence of African-Americans.   

"I've read posts where this fool has actually justified slavery.

August heat, the fact that i "justify" slavery is not wrong in itself. If i am able to properly justify slavery, then slavery has justification! You realize that the term "justification" does not have to have "good" connotations in order to be used?  . It is simply justification, whether good or evil!

Slavery is justified by the fact that  there was a lot of farmable land in colonial America but there were to few people to farm it. hence the bringing over of slaves. I do not think we brought them here just to be 'mean' to black people. 

 "He judges entire cultures."

Is that evil or hateful? I've heard plenty of liberals judge entire cultures saying they were "agrarian," "ingenious," "artistic," "colorful," "interesting," "war-like." These are all judgments, but are they hateful?

  "Did you read the hoodlum comment about blacks being "tribal"."

Well, aren't they? I'm just basing this off of observation. Witnessing their stereotypically primitive, animalistic behavior i naturally come to that conclusion.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! 

Thank you for proving my point.  LOL.

So we should deal with our shortage of military enlistments by taking illegals and making them fight in Iraq?  Just interested in hearing Finarfin's view on strengthening our armed forces.

Its not MY take, it is what happened.

Believe me, i did not invent the labor shortage in colonial america, for that matter i was not even around then. 

Deal with military shortages as you have dealt with them in the past.

A draft, Fin?  When are you signing up?

"And calling someone "assclown" would be considered NOT-hateful?"

Actually, it's purty damn funny... mainly because it's TRUE. 

And calling someone "assclown" would be considered NOT-hateful?

Truth is a defense against slander. 

"Just hate, hate, hate and yes more hate. Especially Narfy.  He has a really deep rooted hate inside of him."  - August Heat

August heat ,for spposedly bieng so "hateful," it is surprising how neutral the tone of our post usually are in comparison to yours and that of your chums. Every thread on an avowed conservative media figure usually contains a bunch of vile posts chock full of insults.

Now this hate you see in me must be so "deeply rooted"  that i myself cannot detect it!!

August heat, the fact that i "justify" slavery is not wrong in itself. If i am able to properly justify slavery, then slavery has justification! You realize that the term "justification" does not have to have "good" connotations in order to be used?  . It is simply justification, whether good or evil! -Mr. Clown

Do you read your own posts?  There is no good in slavery.  Justification is derived from the word just, as in justice.  There is no justice in slavery.  Look how up in arms everyone was about Reverend Wrights 5 minute loop.  All because he said something that made some whites uncomfortable.  Why is it so easy for you to get offended by one man yet difficult for you to understand why African-Americans have a chip on their shoulders towards America???  DNA testing has shown that one group has been overwhemingly wrongly charged with crimes punishable by the death penalty  - African Americans.  Look at the disparaging numbers between whites in jail and blacks and latinos in jail.  You, in your ignorance believe all of these African-Americans deserve their sentencing.  I, in my knowledge, know they may have done the crime, but they definitely have white counterparts who get off for similar charges in the court system.  Take a look at Sean Bell, young man in N.Y. who got killed by police after his bachelor party.  Shot up because "they thought" he had a weapon or something illegal on his person.  The man was going to get married the next day and he's dead!! How often do you hear of that happening to a white person in the U.S.A.?

So your BS excuses as to justification of slavery and homelessness, is just that - BS!!

C -U L8er, Mr. Clown

As i  said to you before, I mostly hang around the Savage threads because i know a bit about the guy, and listen to his program sometimes.  Because i do not pay much attention to the American media in general, i often find myself not knowing the misinformers in question too well and thus i refuse to pass judgment on them.

However if the topic interests me, i am glad to comment as in the recent Libby thread. 

Pssst.. Fin. It's "Liddy". Pretty well known figure for about 30 years.

Pardon me, I overlooked that detail. And actually i had never heard of this fellow until the article came up.

you'd never heard of G. Gordon Liddy?
I guess there was some truth to what Chris Matthews said..."blank slate!"

Great research Funnyman. I think you have enough here to write a book about Fin.

;-)

Thanks for reminding everyone of exactly who they're debating with here. Fin is a diehard right wingnut with a racist streak.

He has a right to hold these opinions but let's never forget who he is and what he stands for.

"Thanks for reminding everyone of exactly who they're debating with here. Fin is a diehard right wingnut with a racist streak."

   Well, we should put him and heru together. Both are extreme wingnust racists.

"He has a right to hold these opinions but let's never forget who he is and what he stands for."

   Just like we should not forget what liberalism stands for, and why our nation would be worse off with it as our guiding force. You all have the "right" to your opinion. But, let's never forget who you are and what you stand for.

Just like we should not forget what liberalism stands for, and why our nation would be worse off with it as our guiding force.

The one thing you need to remember, Philib, is that if it weren't for the liberals/progressives of 1776 who thought we'd be better off independent from England, there would BE no nation here.  Liberals and progressives always move society forward - conservatives either make it stay put or move backward.  The conservatives of 1776 were the Torries, people who supported the British Crown as opposed to American Independence.

" Liberals and progressives always move society forward-"

   Yes, forward. Forward to oblivion! Those who fail to learn from history are destined to repeat history. At least conservatives can recognize a successful/functioning idea when they see one and leave it functioning/successful. While liberals take a functional idea and make it disfunctional from their greed and unregulated disdain of any idea NOT given by themselves.

Would you agree that Thomas Jefferson was a liberal?

 Would you agree Thomas Jefferson was a racist? Is that your idea of moving forward? Being a racist?

yep.  I'd agree that Jefferson was a racist.  He kept slaves and didn't do the courageous thing which in those days would be to support abolition of slavery.  Two hundred years ago, the stain of slavery infected most white landholders.  However, you obviously didn't want to point to the many truly revolutionary, liberal ideas that Jefferson advanced, "all men are created equal"..."inalienable rights, including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", which eventually led to the U.S. confronting the abomination of slavery.

Didn't Jefferson ultimately come to the realization that slavery was wrong?  Ahh, the age of enlightenment...it was fun while it lasted, no?

Seriously, Phil, when your point is to disparage Thomas Jefferson as a racist to prove your point, you've lost your point.  

"Seriously, Phil, when your point is to disparage Thomas Jefferson as a racist to prove your point, you've lost your point"

   And when her point is to use Jefferson to show the 'goodness' of liberalism I must bring her ideals back to reality with factual references that she may not like. Apparantly you don't like the fact that the 'good liberal' reference she used was a racist, either.

You're not gonna skate with that drivel. Cough up some hard evidence to prove your point or take a hike. Seriously.

"is that if it weren't for the liberals/progressives of 1776 who thought we'd be better off independent from England, there would BE no nation here.  Liberals and progressives always move society forward - conservatives either make it stay put or move backward.  The conservatives of 1776 were the Torries, people who supported the British Crown as opposed to American Independence."

Wzwriter, The classical liberals of yesteryear are not akin to the liberals of today.Classical liberalism is defined as "a doctrine stressing individual freedom and limited government." These views are exactly those of modern conservatives. Somewhere in history the positions of conservatives and liberals changed to both sides being champions of progress, albeit, in a different way. 

certainly by those historical standards, i would consider myself a "liberal" if i had lived in those times.

And by the way, as all other English colonies, the American colonies would have gained independence eventually. 

The difference is that one poster comes to America and becomes a citizen, bringing along a lot of racist, authoritarian beliefs. He would like to make this country more like the country he left.

The other poster was born in America, into a society that to this day does not recognize him as an equal. While I don't always agree with him, I can understand his anger.

"The difference is that one poster comes to Americ a and becomes a citizen, bringing along a lot of racist, authoritarian beliefs." 

actually, my "racist" beliefs were developed in the racial atmosphere of America.

"The other poster was born in America, into a society that to this day does not recognize him as an equal. While I don't always agree with him, I can understand his anger."

What?? speak for yourself, but i think we overcompensate in our "recognition" of their equality. Look at black holidays and affirmative action, no sir they aren't equal, but they are unequal in that they favor blacks over whites! 

Preston,

It is an act!  It's an act that sells to the lowest scum of our society and Mr Weiner-Savage knows it! His listeners do not.

I would have to believe that Mr Weiner doesn't truely believe most of what he says..... oh, I don't doubt that some of what he says he does, but by and large, he knows its an act.  A sick one at that.

The only way we can rid a piece of trash like him off the air for good, with little risk of martyr(ing) him is two-fold......

1) For many thousands of Americans to write, over and over and over to all of Mr Weiners advertisers, reminding them of his words, calling their attention on whether they really want to be associated with a bum like Savage.  (spockosbrain.com did this exact thing in San Fran to help rid our radio waves of Melanie Morgan last year.)

or

2) Band together enough people, gather up money and advertise Mr Weiner to the rest of America so that a society wide demand occurs that forces his removal?.... and since this is a democracy, it would be a clear cut case of majority rules. (sorta like what MoveOn.org did exposing General Petraeus as the political tool he foolishly became.)

and since this is a democracy, it would be a clear cut case of majority rules.

 That line means nothing when judges can overturn the majorities will. Just saying.

Well, since we are not actually a democracy, but at representative republic, majority doesn't rule, and it is also why we have separation of powers, and checks and balances. Why? Because at one point in time, there were a vast majority of people who lived in this country who thought owning people was a good and grand idea. There are possibly a majority of people in this country who think that 2 men shouldn't get married, just by the mere fact that they are of the same sex, there are no legal ramifications for it. And the list of what the majority perceives to be as correct could go on for days, and which luckily, there are more intelligent people out there who actually decide what laws get passed and signed.

Me, personally, i believe in democracy.

but i noticed magnolialover, all of the position that this Majority took and were overruled by this "intelligent" minorty are conservative posiitons.

Now here i was thinking that (as MMFA used to proclaim) the "conservative majority" was a myth!!

Let's see, back in the 30's we had a homeless problem and one of the solutions was to open "work camps".   Maybe this is one of the very few close to sane things Michael the Dolt as come up with for quite some time.

Close being the key. There was no health insurance with that option if I recall. Many a camp occupant witnessed death of one or more family members due to poor living conditions. I don't think Savage even considered upgrading those camps to modern standards, though I bet you'd be in favor, Oscar.

Nah, FDR did not provide "universal health care" for the crews in his work camps.  We have advanced some from that.

Oh, and there are plenty of regulations on the books that would require the work camps meet some minimum standards as far as living conditions (as opposed to the 30s).

Sorry Oscar.

I've read "The Grapes of Wrath". There were work camps back then, but most were set up to take advantage of the displaced workers who came from the dust bowl to make a better living for their families. The Federal Camps were few and far between compared to the camps run by the growers.

It didn't work then and it won't work now.

Worrierking wrote:

>>There were work camps back then, but most were set up to take advantage of the displaced workers who came from the dust bowl to make a better living for their families.

And I'll add that those types of workers were different from the homeless today. The displaced workers were displaced because of economic depression, not because of alcohol and drug problems.  

I think we'll be seeing displaced workers showing up soon.

The increased oil prices are rippling through he economy now and prices for everything are rising causing businesses to close. Foreclosures are at a very high rate too.

All of the ingredients are in place. I wonder how many Savage fans will find themselves going through hard times and homeless?

I hope they'll like the camps.

"I hope they'll like the camps." -Worrierking

Well, its that or living on public grounds, caked in filth and scorned by the rest of society. I think that after a few months of this the chance to get on your feet by working for low wages will seem more attractive. 

Well, I'm perty sure you will be in charge of Hooverville part deux. Gotta love that "hard love" of the republic party of today. All the pieces are in place for armeggedon part eight - "look how bad things are!".

Y'all been wrong for 2000+ years, keep trying to scare us "seculars"...

   You're doing a fantastic job of complaining about other people's ideas on how to help the homeless. Since all you do is complain about OP's ideas, I take it you have NO plan to help the homeless in mind?? Good for you, worrierking, your plan is to let them stay homeless and hopeless. What a good liberal YOU are!

What a good liberal YOU are!

And what an absolote idiot YOU are.

   Resorting to name-calling already? Wow, that must be the quickest you've lost an arguement ever. What ideas do YOU have to offer? None? Go figure, you just whine about someone elses idea as being too radical. But, offer none in exchange. Typical liberal: whine about cures offered, but offer no cure.

Knock it off. Your AM Heroes engage in name-calling on a consistent basis. Did you know that? Yeah, thought so.

Quit engaging in double standards, moron.

"Your AM Heroes engage in name-calling on a consistent basis. Did you know that? Yeah, thought so."

   No double standards. Randi Rodes, Rachel Madow, Tom Hartman are NOT my heroes. And, their namecalling is one of the reasons. Thanks for pointing that out about liberal talk radio. I would imagine that's why liberal talk radio is at such a ratings low when compared to conservative talk radio.

Have you listened to Thom Hartmann or Rachel Maddow?  No comparison between those two and Savage.  They have class, and your attempt to say that they engage in name calling is ridiculous. 

I'll give you Randi as a name caller but at least she's informed, well-read and actually passionate vs. Savage, who imo is just doing sick shtick.

"Have you listened to Thom Hartmann or Rachel Maddow?"

   Yes, and that's why I included them in the list. My "attempt" is well founded in truth.

What about Jeff Christie, M. Rotten Levin, or Sean Insanity? Think they count too? Or are you giving them a 'pass' simply because you dig their politics?

Sean hannity is quite the "nice-guy," i do not think that he uses name-calling or profanity very often.

And the other two?

THe other two certainly take part in using, ah, colorful language.

I do not find this exceptionally terrible however, both the left and right can and do use name-calling.

Examples, please.  I really don't think you can reasonably compare those two with Savage, who continually attacks people in cartoonish and childish diatribes.

Hartmann doesn't do name calling. He doesn't need to. He wipes the floor with wingnuts with kind words and a smile on his face.

Ditto with Ed Schultz.

Ok, Phil, time to put your money where your mouth is:

Find us examples of name-calling by Maddow and Hartman.  Please post the links.  They should be easy to find if their behavior is as prevalent as you say it is.

<sounds of crickets chirping>

   Listen to Maddow's show on May 7th, 2008. You'll find I am correct.

Was Maddow or one of her guests calling names?  Please link.

I'm not an expert on the economy. I'm not a social worker. I'm not a city planner.

I do know that we have far too many homeless in this country. I do know that too many of the homeless have fought for our country and that too many of us, turn our heads and pretend they're not there.

I'll admit what I'm not. Dr. Weiner had a PHD in nutritional ethnomedicine. That makes him as qualified to solve the problem of homelessness in this country as I am.

Dr. Weiner has made a habit of saying that others should be put into "camps". You might agree with his philosophy of segregating those who don't hold your beliefs but I still believe in The Constitution.

WK,  I was thinking about WPA and CCC.  There were two or three "government" camps not that far from where I live. Cleaned forest trails, built public shelters, etc. I think the Government vs. grower camp would depend on what part of the country you were in at the time.

What..... WorrierKing..... you dare call out the fact that a government 'worker camp' (while not perfect) actually worked quite well under the circumstances and that those 'worker camps' owned and run by private owners was a disgrace upon the fabric of America!

What the heck is wrong with you daring to speak truth...... especially during this time of a Bush regime doing all it can to make us all forget about the "Grapes of Wrath" moral story!

Sheesh.......some people!  ; -)

SAVAGE: Well, because then you're getting into a Soviet-style economy, which I don't happen to think has proven to be very effective.

But of course, the Soviets tried to run their economy off work camps. They were part of the GULAG system. 

Funnymanpants, i believe what savage has in mind is more of a work centered camp to help people get back on their feat, not something to punish dissenters.

The guy talks about putting all liberals in prison within six months of his taking power. Also, looking up "work camps" on Wikipedia brings me to the concentration camps of Nazi Germany. Which you would appreciate, endorsing Michael Savage and his neo-Nazi politics.

(insert article of Finarfin's pro-Nazi statements here)

Megabot wrote:

>>The guy talks about putting all liberals in prison within six months of his taking power. 

Besides which, the Soviets didn't just throw dissenters in the GULAG system. They threw whoever they could get in order to get things done cheaply and quickly. The police would come looking for a "dissenter," and not finding him home, would get who was. I guess Finarfin is too busy romanticizing the mass murder of Hitler, amongst the worst in history, to actually know real history.  (It seems really wierd that it needs to be pointed out that Hitler was bad.) 

"I guess Finarfin is too busy romanticizing the mass murder of Hitler, amongst the worst in history, to actually know real history."

 You sir, seem to think i am sort of neonazi Hitler apologist. I must inform you that i am nothing of the sort, i do not consider myself a Nazi and Hitler i am not too fond of, as he was not too fond of my people.

  Don't panic, fin. These people call everyone vial names who disagree with any one of them. You can actually figure you've won the arguement as soon as they start calling you names. That is one of the signs of frustration, name-calling. If they are frustrated, that means they have lost their arguement. That's why you hear them call names so often!

Phil,

Did you read the list of Fin's posts provided earlier in this thread?  What do you think of them?  Do you think that he's right in his views about segregation?  Do you think the days of white domination were "grand old times?"  Do you find interracial marriages to be an "abomination?"  Do you agree with his views of African Americans?

 

   No, N/A, Don't know his views, No, No, Don't know his views.

   fried,  Do you think heru is right in his views about segregation? Do you find interracial marriages to be an abomination? Do you agree with heru's views of white Americans?

I'm sorry that you can't answer a direct question.

   Mary, I answered EVERY one of his questions. Were any of them supposed to be more involved than simple yes/no??

   Now, why don't you try answering the ones about heru and his racism? Or, are you unwilling to answer direct questions?

You didn't answer the question at all.  I suspect you did read the post but put your fingers in your ears. 

And no, I'm not going to say anything about heru.  He's not around here right now to defend himself.

"You didn't answer the question at all.  I suspect you did read the post but put your fingers in your ears." 

   You suspect wrong. I have not read them, and don't intend to.

"And no, I'm not going to say anything about heru.  He's not around here right now to defend himself."

   I reckon you wouldn't say anything about heru...because you know I'm right about him. Whether he's here to defend himself or not isn't the reason why, either.

Phil,

A poster in the thread copied and pasted the quotes from Fin regarding his previous racist statements.  Since you were defending Fin against charges of racism, I thought it might be enlightening for you to see why Fin was being called a racist.  If you would, please read the quotes and let me know if Fin could be perceived, because of what he has written here, to be a racist.

To answer your questions about Heru, I would need to see the posts you are referring to.  I can tell you though if all people of any race are grouped together by a poster, I disagree with that perception.

I disagree with segregation and I don't find interracial marriage to be an abomination like Fin does.  Could you post the quotes from Heru that you are referring to?  If so, I would gladly comment.  Could you read Fin's statements (pasted earlier in this thread) and tell me if you think they are racist or not?  Thanks.

   I won't read fin's statements, much like you won't read any from heru (find your own racist statements to read, I don't need to read racist statements to prove that you are a hypocrit). I do not see where I was defending fin, as much as I was pointing out the typical liberal hypocrisy. You people are so hypocritical, I don't understand how you cannot see it in yourselves. You whine about racist statements by a right wing poster, but totally ignore racist statements by a left wing poster. Hypocrits.

Phil,

The statements were found for you.  Don't you think you should read them before defending him?  All I am asking is for you to do the same work, post the quotes that, in your mind, are racist, just like someone did for you.  How is expecting that being hypocritical?  I posted that if Heru generalized an entire race, I disavow his statements completely whether the statements are made about whites or blacks or anyone.  Why not take the time to post his statements and let others evaluate them?  I do not know the posts you are referring to.  If you would post them, I would be happy to talk about them.

"Don't you think you should read them before defending him?"

   Show me where I "defended" him and his "racist" statements! Don't you think you should read all of heru's statements before you defended him? Why are you defending a left wing racist, but not a right wing racist? Because you're a hypocrit, that's why. Oh, you haven't read all of heru's racist statements? Well, I haven't read any of the ones you posted and reposted and reposted either.

Where did I defend Heru?  Here is where you defended Fin:

"Don't panic, fin. These people call everyone vial (sic) names who disagree with any one of them. You can actually figure you've won the arguement (sic) as soon as they start calling you names. That is one of the signs of frustration, name-calling. If they are frustrated, that means they have lost their arguement. That's why you hear them call names so often!"

Show me where I defended Heru, please.  I copied the post of Fin's racist statements from another poster to prove my point.  Can you prove yours with racist statements from Heru?  As I have said, if he generalizes an entire race, I certainly disagree with that.  If he says that all white people are prone to do something, I disagree with that too. 

Yeah, thanks for confirming that the loony rightwing talkers have no argument.

Here's your treat. Now go away and only come back if you have anything remotely resembling intelligence to offer. I won't be holding my breath though.

"You sir, seem to think i am sort of neonazi Hitler apologist. I must inform you that i am nothing of the sort, i do not consider myself a Nazi and Hitler i am not too fond of, as he was not too fond of my people."

You can't possibly be saying that you are of Jewish decent.  If you in fact are and are still calling for the dominance of the white race, then you need a lobotomy.   

"Why not put them in work camps?"

Why not put Savage in a padded room?