The games these cons on FOX will play. I am suprised FOX has not given her a show of her own so she can continue to Smear Obama throughout the fall. Lets scare the American people into thinking Hamas loves Obama.

I am suprised FOX has not given her a show of her own...

I expect Faux News will do something totally repugnant, such as pairing Laura Ingraham with one of Bill O'Reilly's favorite guests, "feminist" Marc Rudov: 

Yuck , that guy makes me vomit .

Why does he have to talk about an endorsement from someone that we consider a terrorist group? Jeesh... It's not like they can vote over here or anything like that.

Vs McBush's endorsements from the KKK and neo nazi's. How come he never mentions them when he panders to the right wingers? Huh?

Obviously, she is an absolute IDIOT since she fails to understand that Obama has DENOUNCED Hamas. What part of that is difficult for you to grasp, Laurie?

Once again, a moronic con talker ignoring the facts. What else is new?

Obviously, she is an absolute IDIOT ...

Laura Ingraham has been an absolute idiot for years.  That's why the brain-dead righties love her.

And Laura?  In case you're reading this thread, bite me.

And why should President Obama (forgive my hubris) talk about something he has no control over? Dumb question from a dumb questioner.

My rhetorical question is this: Once Obama becomes president, will these righty talkers support him? Will they call anyone who disagrees with him unpatriotic?

 

My rhetorical question is this: Once Obama becomes president, will these righty talkers support him? Will they call anyone who disagrees with him unpatriotic?

Of course not.  They'll attack and smear him every day of his administration, just like they treated Bill Clinton.  Remember the right-wing wacko mantra - Democrat BA-A-A-A-A-A-A-D, Republican GO-O-O-O-O-O-D......

Media Matters ignores that Obama changed his position (flip-flopped) the next day regarding the division of Jerusalem, which was the issue that made Hamas un-endorse him.

Did Obama seek out the endorsement of Hamas, yes or no?

<i>Did Obama seek out the endorsement of Hamas, yes or no?</i>

Of course not. Who is suggesting Obama sought Hamas' endorsement?

Critics of the endorsement stress the fact that the fact that Hamas wants Obama to win the presidency is reason not to vote for him.

Who is suggesting Obama sought or wants Hama endorsement? That is a truly disengous qustion and you know it. Even FOX cannot come right out and say "Obama needs endorsement from Hamas to satisfy far left Dems".

But they can reinforce the lies that circulate via email and message boards that Senator Obama is secretly a Muslim and wants to enslave whites.

Why the bold you ask? Because the real message is between the lines, so I am posting in bold so you won't miss it.

Who cares what Hamas wants. It is irrelevant.

Write an email to Media Matters and tell them they shouldn't care about Hamas' endorsent. Tell them to stop writing "irrelevant" stories such as this one.

If their "unendorsement" is important, whi is the endorsement not important? What's up with the double standard?

If you don't like what MMfA writes about, tough.

If you don't like what MMfA writes about, tough.

if Truthseeker doesn't like what MMFA reports here, maybe he should go over to the Media Research Council web site.  Their meaningless crap may be more to his liking......

Truthseeker, you are truly a moron. MMFA is criticizing the incompetent Ms. Ingraham, as any child could realize.

And why is  MMFA criticizing Ingraham? Because she left out Hamas' unendorsement. 

They are criticizing her because what she says is not accurate or reliable.

Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda.

It forwards the conservative agenda to ignore Obama's denounciation of Hamas. She present a misleading image of Obama as someone who refused to denounce them when in fact he did just that.

That's why Media Matters covers this.

Ellie/nomobush/notthatgeorge

Care to defend Sueeld against Truthseekers slur below? or are you not agreeing with what she said about Obama and Hamas?

Okay, so now it's my job to defend another poster when you demand it?

I don't think so.

What's clear is that it's your job to attack me with vile, baseless attacks. There is no reason for you to demand from me that I defend another poster, and you don't have that right, but you do.

Don't you know how sick this looks? I made a post defending Media Matters and clearly explaining why they made this posting and you think an appropriate reply to that post of mine was to demand that I defend Sueeld?

Truthseeker never said what Sueeld said that he said.

He then mockingly called her a genius for distorting what he did say.

What unfair smear does she need defending from? She distorted what he said and he threw it back at her for her error.

He's a deceitful and misleading poster himself who twists words and says stuff that isn't accurate or reliable all the time. That doesn't change the fact that Sueeld accused him of saying something that he didn't say.

Truthseeker

Please do not lie, Obama did not ask for Hamas support. 

He's just grumpy because one of their flagship talking points against Obama just went down in flames.

When did I say Obama sought Hamas' endorsement, Pete?

I'm not talking about that.

I'm talking about the Hamas "endorsement" itself. 

It's not Obama's fault that Hamas endorsed him. But Hamas' endorsement is fair game, as critics may point out that Obama's positions attract terrorist groups.

Looks like SUEELD was the only genius who somehow read somewhere that I said Obama sought Hamas' endorsement.

It's not Obama's fault that Hamas endorsed him. But Hamas' endorsement is fair game, as critics may point out that Obama's positions attract terrorist groups.

And your positions attract derisive laughter. 

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/06/06/khalid-sheik-mohammed-on-same-sex-marriage-value-of-counsel/?mod=hpp_europe_blogs

Of course, there are some positions of McCain's that terrorists also find attractive...

That depends, of course, on McCain actually sticking with a position long enough to make it matter...

"as critics may point out that Obama's positions attract terrorist groups."

Plural usage noted.  What other "terrorist groups" are on the record as "attracted" to Obama? 

Yes, critics who don't know any better or have agendas to serve will point out the Hamas "endorsement," just as we see the morons of Fox News doing in this example, despite evidence that Hamas has flip-flopped and is now equally repulsed by both Obama and McCain.

You are the one that's lying, suggesting that I ever said Obama sought Hamas' support.

When did I say that?

The issue of Hamas' 'support' for Obama is IRRELEVANT. THAT is what you are failing to understand. Obama does not get to choose who 'supports' him and this 'guilt by association' thingy you morons love to use reeks of DESPERATION.

It will not work... especially with intelligent voters... simply because it is irrational.

As for those who fall for it... they and only they are a reflection of themselves and the moronic side they represent. Get it now?

The issue of Hamas' endorsement is relevant enough for Media Matters to dedicate a whole story to the fact that the group unendorsed him.

It's relevant for MMFA because you jackasses on the Right keep pounding away at the 'guilt by association' drum.

Obama - Hussein - Muslim - Hamas - destruction of Israel - bad for America. See? That's how your infantile minds operate - make assumptions and links using 'buzzwords' using zero logic and critical thinking skills.

Want an example? Remember that moron from the Indiana diner whose oh-so-brilliant quote made it into the papers about Obama being a Muslim and anti-American? Because of what, you ask? Because he has the middle name Hussein?

...dumb, dumb, dumb, DUMB!

I don't belong to the "right".

Sometimes people do not parrot pro-Obama talking points 100% of the time. Look at wingnut SUEELD. He's an ultra-conservative who is defending Obama in this thread.

 

Clearly, you belong to the 'wrong'

Also - if Hamas knows that Americans won't vote for the candidate they want to win, then why wouldn't they say they want the other guy to win?

I can see right through their trap.  I'm voting for Obama, just to spite those terrorists!!!

I don't belong to the "right".

You're bought and paid for. It's obvious. 

How the media reports and discusses the Hamas "endorsement" is the issue that MMFA is raising.

Don't confuse Truthseeker with the truth. He walks right past it all the time, and keeps on seeking, provinf he wouldn't know Truth if it walked up to him and said, "Pleased to meet you, I'm Truth."

How the media reports and discusses the Hamas "endorsement" is the issue that MMFA is raising.

MMFA thought it would be necessary for Ingraham to mention the unendorsement, therefore the unendorsement is relevant in their eyes. And if the unendorsement is relevant, the endorsement was relevant when it was issued.

Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda.

When this rightwing mouthpiece said what she said, it was not accurate information and it furthered the conservative agenda because it puts Obama's stance towards Hamas into question.

Media Matters got it right. It's not their fault if you can't see it.

He did not, however, address the relationship that he has had in the past with Reverend Farrakhan. He did not talk about the Hamas endorsement.

Why should Obama have addressed either? As many here have already stated he did not seek out either the endorsement from Hamas or Farrakhan. And he distanced himself from Farrakhan long ago. And the Hamas endorsement was about as relevant as a KKK endorsement of McCain would be.

I'm more irked that our political leaders still feel the need to go pander to AIPAC. It's our totally unfair bias towards Israel that has been the cause of many of our problems in that region.

Oh Jeter, that's not true. The KKK can and will vote in this election. Hamas can't and will never get the chance. Knowing the KKK supports McBush is far more likely to drive moderates towards the Democrats than a Hamas endorsement will drive those same people towards the Republicans.

Snoop, don't be a bad doggie & force me to whack you across the nose with my newspaper ;-)

My point was that even if the KKK endorsed McCain [which they have not], that doesn't mean McCain would welcome their support. Just like Hamas endorsing Obama didn't mean Obama welcomed that support.

And though you're correct in saying Hamas can't vote...there would be some on the extreme far-left who might look at that endorsement favorably.

Now git into your doghouse till I tell ya you can come out.

Oops! No doggy house for me tonight, J-man! The KKK loves M-k-k-k-ain!

I pee in your general direction (said in a french accent!).

Ha! Yeah that looked real authentic Snoop... did you make that video in your basement? ;-)

Seriously though, if the KKK had actually endorsed McCain, it would be news...not just some video featured on an obscure website.

Of course the New Black Panthers actually did endorse Obama [the endorsement was even featured on Obama's website, till he smartly removed it]....It's the game of politics," the NBPP's Malik Zulu Shabazz told WND. "The camp's move to remove our blog doesn't mean much because I understand politics. We still completely support Obama as the best candidate."

Shabbaz, who has given scores of speeches condemning "white men" and Jews, said today Obama "is the best guy to bring the kinds of racial changes supported by our community at the New Black Panthers."

Sorry it's the doghouse for you. And no dinner. Not even a bone ;-)

Seriously though, if the KKK had actually endorsed McCain, it would be news...not just some video featured on an obscure website.

Not necessarily. The KKK is an irrelevant group of losers whose positions are well-known and repudiated by thinking Americans everywhere.

Now MMFA you just aren't being fair to poor "Not Doctor" Laura.  She has that special wingnut deafness that renders her brain incapable of hearing anything contrary to the reality she's already decided upon.  It's an epidimic thing, I think it must spread through the headphones used in AM radio production booths.

O'REILLY AND INGRAHAM A match made in right wing heaven and NORMAL PEOPLES HELL. Between the two of them they may have ONE BRAIN CELL WORKING.

I'm more irked that our political leaders still feel the need to go pander to AIPAC. It's our totally unfair bias towards Israel that has been the cause of many of our problems in that region.

Careful, Jeter2. Your anti-semitism  is showing ;P

I swear it kills me how some on the right suddenly turn PC and overly sensitive when people rightly criticize our relationship with Israel.

Oh, and while I love me some Snoop, Jeter just played you dirty style by whipping out the Black Panthers.

Yeah, why not the Gray Panthers in reference toGramps McCain?

(Because they don't like him, for one thing...) 

The commentators at Fox have gone way over the edge.  They no there is no dirt out there on Sen. Obama so they resort to petty and meaningless conections or out right lies to smear him.  Trust if the Clintons couldn't dig anything up on this man no one can.  I just hope they keep pushing so far that they finally fall off the cliff and everyone who watches sees them as the senseless gullible bullies they are.

It's Farrakhan all over again.  I guess he has to reject and denounce.  Unfortunately, the republican hate machine is just getting started.  They are attempting to walk that fine line of race baiting and being edgey.  The problem is they the  country is not as tolerant of this ignorance as it once was.  I'm proud as an American, but more importantly an African-American that the media is actually beginning to call out its members who are agents of intolerance.