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Brooks thinks Obama wouldn't seem to "fit[] in naturally" at an Applebee's salad bar -- maybe because Applebee's doesn't have them

Summary: On MSNBC, David Brooks asserted that "less educated" and "downscale" people "look at [Sen. Barack] Obama, and they don't see anything," adding: "And so, Obama's problem is he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who could go into an Applebee's salad bar, and people think he fits in naturally there." Applebee's officials have confirmed to Media Matters that its restaurants do not have salad bars.
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Posted by anotheramerican

Lettuce move on shall we?

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to anotheramerican

We could move on and actually debate the issues as soon as the moron pundits quit concerning themselves with the candidates culinary choices.

Posted by Kyle_Broflovski in reply to RABBITLUVR

I think it's the same as saying McCain doesn't 'seem to fit in' to the crowd at the bowling alley at the local VFW center.

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to Kyle_Broflovski

The thing is... who really cares? Wait... I know, I KNOW! There were lots of people who voted for W simply because he was the type of dude with whom they'd wanna share steak, corn on the cob, a sixpack, and NASCAR on the tube. But in this economy with all the uncertainties and with this seemingly endless war with all the dead and maimed surely most voters are beyond such inane superficialities?

Right?

Posted by RoberttheP

I do not think Olive Garden has a salad bar either. They are all out of touch.

Posted by shoes89 in reply to RoberttheP

Wow!

Applebee's does NOT have a salad bar!

Another mind-blowing illustration of "conservative misinformation" from Media Matters!

</sarc> (roll eyes)

Pretty weak, MM. Pretty weak, IMHO.

Posted by pete592 in reply to shoes89

I think Brooks is the one showing weakness, intellectual weakness.

Posted by dbeden4153 in reply to pete592

I think Shoes is pretty weak.  He has the same tag-line in every post.  But alas, he doesn't get it.  Of course, had Obama or Olbermann said something like this, he'd be all over it, slobbering on about how they're out of touch with Americans.

Posted by wzwriter in reply to pete592

I think Brooks is the one showing weakness, intellectual weakness.

And the utlimate Queen of Intellectual Weakness is our own Shoes.....

Posted by sportsguydave in reply to wzwriter

Oh wow...another weak post from Shoes....who could have imagined it?....:)

Posted by NiceguyEddie in reply to shoes89

More like: Let's show everyone how stupid, dishonest and hypocriticaly these conservatives are.  Rich White guys trying to paint other as elitists.  Saying they "can't fit in" at places they've never been.  (Since every one of them is an elitest, they never go to such places.)  Deciding which leisure activities constitute what "normal folks" do.  (You know, like QUAIL HUNTING, as opposed to shooting hoops or playing pool - god forbid if you can't bowl.)  STOP TELLING LIES ABOUT US AND WE'LL STOP EXPOSING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOU!!! (Paraphrased from Adlai Stevenson)

Posted by Kyle_Broflovski in reply to NiceguyEddie

This is classic Rove politics.  Identify your greatest weakness with the voters, and then project that onto your opponent.

Bush didn't serve his country in Vietnam, so he painted his war-veteran opponent's service as 'suspect' and 'dishonorable'

McCain is elitist and out of touch with everyday Americans, so he is painting Obama as out-of-touch. 

I believe just last week, the Right-Wing blogs were attacking Obama for his numerous 'gaffes' and saying that he isn't a good orator.  Again... projecting.

Posted by billie789 in reply to Kyle_Broflovski

Aye to that! This is a clasic case of a neo-con calling the kettle black. Well, ok, Obama is black, but for a real snob to refer to AppleBee's non-existent salad bar smacks of the kind of elitism Cons say Obama suffers.

 

Repugs are very scrared that their world is crumbling before their eyes.

Posted by TadekKorn in reply to Kyle_Broflovski

I find the term classic Rove somewhat of an oxymoron.  Classic is not among the adjectives to be used to describe this cretin!

Posted by donaldmaddog5642 in reply to shoes89

SHOES:

Come ON, Man. Media Matters is reporting on the stupid things being discussed on shows like this one. Read MMFA's mission statement.
Great Caesar's ghost, this Brooks gets a real dressing down for tossing out comments like this.

Posted by juliajayne in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

His salad days are over with those wilted comments.

Posted by deeznuts in reply to juliajayne

We olive to see the day when Brooks is no longer on the air...?

Posted by mary59 in reply to deeznuts

Brooks needs a dressing down.  He looks french, is not italian enough, and could travel to a thousand islands and still not understand that ordinary folks of the heartland; you know (to the eastern press) morons, do actually know about green tea, orange juice, arugula and even honey mustard.

Posted by Easy to refute wingnuts in reply to mary59

And next January, Bush can go back to his ranch.

Posted by T-Hone in reply to Easy to refute wingnuts

...Carrots!

Posted by wolf kotenberg

in the words of the ( sarcasm on full blast ) greatest lleader this nation has ever had

: So ! "

Posted by wolf kotenberg

in the words of the ( sarcasm on full blast ) greatest leader this nation has ever had

: So ! "

Posted by wolf kotenberg in reply to wolf kotenberg

ooops

Posted by tommy

MMFA's crack staff strikes again; contrary to rightwing opinion, Applebees has NO salad bar, conservative misinformation is out of control in the restaurant appetizer business.  Next up; TGIF is open on other days besides Fridays.

Posted by RoberttheP in reply to tommy

T- I think MMFA is telling us that Brooks has no idea what he is talking about , therefore his opinion on Obama is flawed. That was what I got out of this post. Silly as it may be. 

Posted by tommy in reply to RoberttheP

Bob, I got that, but to use Applebees as some backup is.......well, never mind.

Posted by dbeden4153 in reply to tommy

Tommy, why WITH this? This is just another example of how the right-leaning pundits are the real ones out of touch with America.  I mean, how many every-day Americans could tell you that Applebee's doesn't have salad bars?  I bet you quite a few could.  Highlighting this is MMfA's way of showing that these pundits are basically making stuff up as they go.

And for the record, I hate Applebee's.  The ones around here are run by a terribly ignorant franchise, and they give some of the worst service I have ever witnessed.  Ruby Tuesday's, on the other hand, awesome salad bar.

Posted by tommy in reply to dbeden4153

Hey look, I am just trying to follow the rules, seeing as if I get scolded often about derailing the threads here.  So I am sticking to it, the headline, which is salad bars, or the lack thereof at Applebees.  I mean, that is the topic at hand, is it not?

Personally, I am glad to find this out so now I may stroll into an Applebees, because salad bars, even with those useless sneeze guards, are just gross - people pawing and positioning to try and grab good radishes, or fat free dressings, and then the whole macaroni salad thing, what's up with that? I can handle whipped cream and jello, and even lima beans, but I will not touch pudding or soaking cole slaw......no way! 

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to tommy

...and another thing. What's with those plates?  Sheesh you'd think it was some left wing plot making sure everyone got only their approved portion. Next thing you know, they'll stop putting salad dressing names on the ladels making you guess if you have fat free ranch or regular. Don't want to discriminate now do we?  

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to anotheramerican

While I'm veering off subject

Have you noticed maitre de's always say, "RIGHT this way..." and the uneaten food is called "LEFTovers"?  

If you go left, you'll be right, but if you go right, you'll be left.

Posted by wzwriter in reply to Easy to refute wingnuts

If you go left, you'll be right, but if you go right, you'll be left.

Not only that - left is right and right is wrong.  :-)

Posted by open_mind in reply to anotheramerican

"Maitre de's say RIGHT this way"--AA

Elitist!

Posted by wzwriter in reply to open_mind

VERY elitist.

I know that every time I take my wife to places like Applebee's, Ruby Tuesday, or Carino's, it's the host or hostess that shows up to our table.

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to wzwriter

wz,

Yeah me too. But the host usually says, "This way guys". :-)  

Posted by Lorelei in reply to anotheramerican

No, the next thing rightie tighties are going to do is try to get resturants to NOT SERVE OBESE PEOPLE.

 

I mean really, they really want to do this. 

Posted by skipp2989 in reply to tommy

Excellent point Tommy.  And speaking of jello I'll bet Mr Obama has never eaten strawberry jello with bananas and those little marshmellows suspended in it.  I for one thank you for keeping this thread on track.  Why don't the others see that this is not about a conservative, who probably has his suits made by the brothers who share his name, painting Mr. Obama as an elitist that would be uncomfortable in your average low cost family resturant.  This  is about... wait what's it about again.

Posted by tommy in reply to skipp2989

I can hear the conversation now;

"Hello, I am with Media Matters for America, a liberal media watchdog site out to expose conservative misinformation and underlying conservative agendas at work in our media and we have a question for you", asked the MMFA staff member.

"Well, certainly, this sounds important, how can I help"?, answered the Applebee hostess who picked up the phone preening for her big media moment.

"Do you have a salad bar"? 

Posted by skipp2989 in reply to tommy

mmmmmm..... mini marshmallows!

Posted by skipp2989 in reply to tommy

Sorry I was distracted thinking about mini marshmallows. I think the conversation went like this.

MMFA  "Hi this is Media matters for America.  We'd like to ask you a few questions."

Applebee Hostess " Sorry. Last time David Brooks was in to order his regular Boneless Buffalo Wings and Grilled Shrimp Pesto Alfredo Fettuccine he told us you Media Matters people were a bunch of commies and not to talk to you!  You have a nice day now, y'hear."

Posted by wzwriter in reply to skipp2989

And speaking of jello I'll bet Mr Obama has never eaten strawberry jello with bananas and those little marshmellows suspended in it. 

Seeing as he was a member of a church for 20 years, no doubt he went to at least a few covered-dish suppers.  And there was probably at least one gelatin dessert similar to the one you described at each and every one.

Posted by skipp2989 in reply to wzwriter

WZ. Just joking.  I think it's a good bet that Mr. Brooks is the one who has been deprived of the jello, marshmallow banana concoction.  My mom sometimes made orange jello with those canned Manderin Oranges on top.  I think the Readers' Digest was responsible for much of the midwests cuisine during the fifties and sixties.

Posted by pete592 in reply to tommy

"because salad bars, even with those useless sneeze guards, are just gross"

Salad bars are the least of your concern in a restaurant. 

Do you order from the menu because you think that what goes on in the kitchen is not as gross?

Posted by sportsguydave in reply to dbeden4153

Tommy, why WITH this?....

===================================

Because it's in his contract ... :)

Posted by sluggo in reply to RoberttheP

Poor Tommy....

Always missing the point (rather like always missing the joke and wondering why everyone is laughing).

Getting basic facts wrong, even when presenting an Opinion, indicates sloppy journalistic standards and begs the question about how many other things has Brooks gotten wrong. 

Kind of like your doctor listening to your heart by putting a stethoscope against your leg. A minor omission but one that most people would view with alarm.

Posted by tommy in reply to sluggo

I am just glad that MMFA has moved from media watchdog in restaurant monitoring now.....what would be missing would be if some unsuspecting hungry, salad loving person walked into Applebees thinking they could grab a plate and pile it on, then hit with the reality they have to order off the far diminished menu, that would be no joke!

Posted by BottleBlonde in reply to tommy

Their clear problem with the commentary is that he says that Obama wouldn't fit in.

They simply documented the fact that Appleby's doesn't even have salad bars, but that's not what their posting is about.

It's not about salad bars and restaurants. It's about media commentators forwarding the conservative agenda by falsely describing a Democratic candidate.

Posted by tommy in reply to BottleBlonde

Sue,

Do you think carrots, mushrooms and tomatoes should be on the right side of the salad bar - with tofu, bean sprouts and arugula on the left side?

Is that furthering conservative misinformation? 

Posted by BottleBlonde in reply to tommy

No, but your harping on your mistaken opinion that I am your former nemesis only makes you look like a scared, whiny baby.

Wait. You already looked like that. Never mind.

It's undeniable that you were trying to distract from the real argument here repeatedly. Many others caught you doing it. They catch you doing it day after day, and when I do it, you think it is beneficial to you to point out that you think I am an old poster come back to life?

I hope you get paid by the post, because if you only get paid making valuable distractions from the real issues, then you lose money when you post crap like this about me instead of what I wrote.

Posted by pete592 in reply to tommy

"contrary to rightwing opinion, Applebees has NO salad bar"

This thread is about Brooks, not prevailing rightwing opinion.  MMFA makes no implication that a majority of rightwingers expect to find a salad bar at Applebee's.  The only possible implication is that Brooks does.

"So I am sticking to it, the headline, which is salad bars, or the lack thereof at Applebees."

The headline clearly targets Brooks, who is a member of the media.

"I am just glad that MMFA has moved from media watchdog in restaurant monitoring now"

MMFA monitors the media. Brooks is the target of this item and is a member of the media.  The ridiculous restaurant reference originated with brooks, not MMFA.

"but to use Applebees as some backup is.......well, never mind"

Brooks is the one that used Applebees, ridiculously. 

Posted by TadekKorn in reply to tommy

Can't you enjoy a "mixed metaphor," especially one produced by a syndicated columnist for the NYT, a stalwart apologist for this administration and a major cheer-leader for the neo-cons?

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to tommy

But does The Ivy have a salad bar, Tommy?

Posted by tommy in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

Of course not Governor, that is so east LA........

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to tommy

Oki Dog doesn't have a salad bar either. Your frame is shattered.
Governor? I'm a Colonel!

Posted by tommy in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

OMG!!  I am so sorry Colonel!!!  My deepest apologies!

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to tommy

That's OK Tommy. Next time I venture beyond the Orange Curtain, I'll take you to Oki Dog, then to Jumbo's Clown Room for a couple beers. You'll forget all about the Westside.

Posted by tommy in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

It's a deal!

Posted by Lynn in reply to tommy

I know it seems a little silly but this was the first thing I thought about when I heard Brooks statement, If Brooks doesn't know that Appleby's doesn't have a salad bar then I wouldn't chastise anyone else for being out of touch with common folk.

Posted by billie789 in reply to tommy

Likie most closet conservatives, Tommy, it sounds like you need your salad tossed!

Posted by eweston8542983 in reply to billie789

Ware the croutonic shrapnel!

Posted by wzwriter

It's hilarious that in an attempt to portray Barack Obama as being out-of-touch with the common man, David Brooks showed how out-of-touch HE is.  I mean, anyone who has eaten at an Applebee's knows they don't have salad bars.  He could have referred to Ruby Tuesday's, which DOES have salad bars - and quite good ones at that.  Or he could have done some research before opening his piehole.

Posted by RABBITLUVR in reply to wzwriter

Or he could have simply kept his yap shut as he doesn't have much to offer anyway. Who in the hell really cares whether Obama is an Appleby's guy or a Ruby Tuesday's bloke or a Chili's type of man? Really... this is pathetic.

Posted by wzwriter

David Brooks will look out of place trying to find the salad bar at his local Applebee's....

Posted by thomp.steve9098

This is a pretty funny catch by mmfa.  Also, it's Brooks, not obama, who demeans and is dismissive of the "regular" 'applebee's crowd," by suggesting that those lowly normal people can't relate to someone as intelligent as Obama.

Posted by DorisRussell

I go to Applebees on occasion, and Obama would fit right in, he is as American as the rest of us. Brooks is being partisan as usual.

Posted by wolf kotenberg in reply to DorisRussell

Exactly.

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to DorisRussell

What is this "Applebee's" anyway, Doris? Some sort of human stockyard where you bourgeois strap on a feedbag before engaging in your savage mating rituals? Would I fit in there?

Posted by juliajayne in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

If that's what you think Applebess is, then yes, you would fit right in :-)

Hey that's for calling me the B word the other day you lefty freakazoid.

See I just can't stop. Eejit baby talking, troll, bigot, radical, you.

Posted by DorisRussell in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

It is an eating establishment.

Posted by wookie in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

Savage mating rituals are really more of a Hooters thing.

Posted by wzwriter in reply to wookie

Savage mating rituals are really more of a Hooters thing.

At Hooter's they're more "Wishful Thinking" than anything else....

Posted by eweston8542983 in reply to wzwriter

They should keep those savage mating rituals in bowling allleys where they belong. The kind of place you order a sparkeling (Fizzing spitefully?) beverage and say,"Cut the gease!"

Posted by oscar the grouch in reply to eweston8542983

Just keep Savage's mating rituals out of the public eye.

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to eweston8542983

It's like bowling one game and score a 37 so the guy behind the counter offers you a free coffee and your retort is, "I'll have orange juice".  Yeah baby, that's fittin in at it's finest.  ;-)

Posted by skipp2989 in reply to anotheramerican

Maybe Mr. Obama could go into Applebees and say "Where's the M' F'ing salad bar."  Sorry I'm I seem to mixing Mr. Obama's personas.  Is he a radical black man or an elitist snob.

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to skipp2989

Hahaha... 

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to DorisRussell

Doris,

I can just see it now. Obama and family going out for brunch after Church. :-) 

Posted by pete592 in reply to anotheramerican

He's between churches right now, in case you haven't heard.

Posted by Limit Corp. Ownership in reply to DorisRussell

Brooks is a pompous, elitist, corporate jackass pundit.

He's talking down to the good folks at Applebee's.  By playing this game, he's showing just how stupid he thinks ordinary Americans are.  He thinks he can bamboozle them with this 6th grade drivel.

He can't, can he?

 

Posted by Dem02020

 

Seeing as we're registering our opinions about "what kind of guy" some folks seem to be, and where they would "naturally fit", david brooks seems to me to be kind of like the guy Renfield, in Bram Stoker's "Dracula"... you know, the guy in the insane asylum, who eats bugs and is under the influennce of Count Dracula?

david brooks seems like that kind of guy to me, he seems like he'd naturally fit into the role of Renfield, as though david brooks is what Renfield should look like... I'd say david brooks had also the teeth to play the part of Count Dracula too, but I'm sure Bram Stoker never imagined the Count to look so slow and dim, and so naturally and genetically inferior, as david brooks does.

 

Posted by right-winger

 OBAMA LOOK OUT FOX, RIGHT-WING MEDIA AND SOME DEMOCRATES ARE COMING AFTER YOU NOW!!!! WILL YOU JUST LOOK AT THOSE SAD FACES AT FOX, CNN, AND MSNBC. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ARE SO UPSET BECAUSE WHAT I SAID ABOUT HILLARY BEING ON THE TICKET STILL WILL NOT MAKE THOSE IN THE CLOSET RACIST DEMOCRATES VOTE FOR OBAMA AND IF YOU SAW FOX THEY ARE SHOWING THOSE SAME PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR HILLARY SAY THEY STILL WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA. THEY ARE A BUNCH OF RACIST AND THEY KNOW IT. AND LIKE I SAID THEY DESERVER MCCAIN JUST LIKE THEY DID BUSH.

Posted by Kyle_Broflovski in reply to right-winger

The 'Caps Lock' key is the one just above the 'Shift' key on the left side of your keyboard.

Posted by wzwriter in reply to Kyle_Broflovski

He can't find the "CAPS LOCK" key becuse it's in one of his "DEMOCRATES".  :-)

Posted by Easy to refute wingnuts in reply to wzwriter

The caps-lock wouldn't be so bad were he not also demonstrating brain-lock.

Posted by wzwriter in reply to Easy to refute wingnuts

The caps-lock wouldn't be so bad were he not also demonstrating brain-lock.

In order for the Brain Lock to work, you have to have a brain to lock.  He doesn't.  :-)

Posted by deeznuts in reply to right-winger

First of all. Settle down. CAPS-LOCK off, okay?

Second...who is Democrates?

Was he a contemporary of Socrates or Hippocrates? 

Posted by Limit Corp. Ownership in reply to right-winger

Brooks is right,

McCain is just a regular bloke.  The kind of guy who really feels at home at the local McDonald's.  McCain is a regular shopper at the 99 Cent Store in Phoenix.  The simple folk just go ga-ga.

And he only owns 8 homes.  And his wife is only worth $100 million.  Sure, she inherited it all, so what?  He's not an elitist like Obama. 

“This situation may be paradoxical, but it is also universal.  For decades Americans have experienced a populist uprising that only benefits the people it is supposed to be targeting.  In Kansas we merely see an extreme version of this mysterious situation.  The angry workers, mighty in their numbers, are marching irresistibly against the arrogant.  They are shaking their fists at the sons of privilege.  They are laughing at the dainty affectations of the Leawood toffs.  They are massing at the gates of Mission Hills, hoisting the black flag, and while the millionaires tremble in their mansions, they are bellowing out their terrifying demands.  “We are here,” they scream, “to cut your taxes.””

 

Thomas Frank  --  “What’s the Matter with Kansas?”

 

Posted by pithaughn

Oh for gosh sakes, Tommy, AA listen up here. The doofus is trying to propagate the "obama is an elitist" crap. So, if he has some basic part of his premise wrong ie no salad bar at said restaurant chain, then we can maybe start to question the entire myth, that a guy from a single parent household, middle class background, public educated, suburban Chicago, some how is now magically more elite than the guy whose SECOND wife is fantastically wealthy and his father was an Admiral in the US Navy.

Now, you can go back and read the rest of the stuff between the lines.

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to pithaughn

Pit,

The thread is ridiculous. Yeah the doofus got the salad bar restaurant wrong. He's simply opining.  To make it the point of a thread is laughable, both at the doofus and at MMFA.

Let's have a discussion about who's the elitist. Being an elitist is not who you are married to or how much money you or your spouse has. Nor is it about your relatives. It is about the elitist notion that Obama has when he looks down on the Applebee's crowd. Yeah the doofus got the salad bar wrong. But when Obama starts making things up out of whole cloth as to why working class in the Midwest won't vote for him to a bunch of rich liberals in San Francisco, that it elitist. It's about his elitist views regarding Ayers, Wright, and others that he only changes because of political expediency. 

If you want to argue that McCain is an elitist go ahead.  

Posted by dbeden4153 in reply to anotheramerican

"But when Obama starts making things up out of whole cloth as to why working class in the Midwest won't vote for him to a bunch of rich liberals in San Francisco, that it elitist."

Why do you feel the need to be disingenuous when speaking of Obama?

This is the text of the speech to which you so casually refer to:

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

So what part about this is he trying to explain how voters aren't voting for him?

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to dbeden4153

DB,

Thanks for the elitist quote.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe Obama said that in a private fundraiser to rich San Francisco contributors in explaining his poor showing.  

Posted by dbeden4153 in reply to anotheramerican

"Correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe Obama said that in a private fundraiser to rich San Francisco contributors in explaining his poor showing."

That part is what I take issue with.  He was not explaining his poor showing, that's what various media figures inferred from this speech.  He was explaining his concept of change, and how for the past 25 years Middle Americans have become frustrated and marginalized by each successive administration, and in-so-doing, turn to those sentiments, or turn to religion or guns, as a way of explaining their frustrations, when the frustrations are really with the governments policies.

Just because you believe he was talking about his poor showing in Pennsylvania does not mean he was talking about his poor showing in Pennsylvania. 

Correct me if I am wrong

There isn't enough time in the Universe to do that. 

Obviously you know little about cosmology but we needn't go down that black hole. ;-)

Posted by MoonbatYouBet in reply to anotheramerican

Ridiculous?  How ridiculous is getting all hot and bothered and indignant that MMFA is wasting such precious and limited internet bandwidth with this item without taking any note of the fact that cable network news time, which actually is limited, is being used to discuss such a nonsensical triviality?  How ridiculous is any politician, who by the nature of their jobs are above average in terms of socioeconomic status, calling any other politician "elitist"?  How ridiculous is defending these scum who do nothing other than play games to get elected in order to continue devoting the government towards improving the lives of those who are already doing quite well?

You, sir, are ridiculous.

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to MoonbatYouBet

So then you agree with me? :-)

Posted by pithaughn in reply to anotheramerican

Thanks, I will continue to think of McGramps as elitist. I've never met either of the Senators, so I am basing my opinion on what I read in the press and online at the candidates web sites. Where I come from, if you bagged your first wife for another who is maybe the richest woman in your area, well by golly you are now elite.

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to anotheramerican

It is about the elitist notion that Obama has when he looks down on the Applebee's crowd. (AA)

Until you wrote that, I was sort of goofing on this item, AA. Not that you have any intention of voting for Obama, or any non-Republican, but you just demonstrated  the problem with Brooks little Applebees scenario; Obama didn't go to Applebee's, it was just a hypothetical, and you already think it's something that happened.

Some might argue that anybody gullible enough to be fooled by this is already registered Republican, but there could be somebody in the middle, somebody getting tired enough of the trivial distractions of the GOP and their media that they've almost seen the light.

And if they're busy, distracted, not too bright, they may hear this little bit of fiction as fact; Obama looked down his nose at the customers at Applebees.

Thank you, you've just demonstrated WTIH. 

Good one Pit...

Ah yes!!!  The Myth.  The Myth.

The Perfect Corporate Fairy Tale.

Posted by captfoster2

This just in........

BARACK OBAMA HAS WON THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION FOR POTUS!!!

Several superdelegates have switched their votes to Obama to guarantee he is the winner!!

Lets see how the right-wing corporate media handles this one.....

BillO, Rush, Sean, Ann, Beck, Savage, Boortz....... Their collective heads are going to explode!

Next stop...... the White House!

Posted by dbeden4153 in reply to captfoster2

It's gonna be non-stop "Manchurian candidate" and McCain defending for them from now on, no matter how hilarious it's going to be.

Posted by ulmelqlo

Only an elitist Republican pr*ck who has never been to Applebee's would get this one so wrong.

The problem isn't that Brooks made a mistake about Applebee's salad bar, it's that he's pontificating about the "regularness" of the place, when he obviously is totally ignorant of it himself.

And SHALLOW as hell.

"Is he the kind of guy who could go into Applebee's"?

Honestly - can it GET any more vacuous and imbecilic than THAT?

Applebee's - holy crap.

 

 

Posted by hogprint

Oh how fickle we are!  David Brooks has praised Barry O. from the Iowa caucus through this spring.  Does MMfA do any research beyond todays headlines?  I would like to see the whole transcript of this before I pass judgment.  

Brooks does know something about elitism though:

http://www.amazon.com/Bobos-Paradise-Upper-Class-There/dp/0684853787 

http://www.amazon.com/Paradise-Drive-Always-Future-Tense/dp/0743227387

 


 

Posted by Easy to refute wingnuts in reply to hogprint

Brooks does know something about elitism though:

That's because it takes one to know one. 

Posted by hogprint in reply to Easy to refute wingnuts

ETRW posted:

"That's because it takes one to know one. "

I wouldn't disagree with that Easy.  I read his first tome BOBO'S IN PARADISE, and I have to say he at least has his finger on the pulse of where we are at now in America with respect to class and race.  

His latest book has been torpedoed by critics, but I think that could be chalked up to sour grapes as he now is a regular on PBS'S THE NEWS HOUR, and has a regular (twice a week) column in the NYT.  

Posted by donaldmaddog5642

To the COL, PETE, SKIP, SLUGGO, et al:

Do you realize how much time you waste replying or responding to the various right-wing Bushites (thank goodness, to to many of them, at least)? True, I have no life, either. So I sit at my computer and just try to have some fun and, at the same time, try to share or be instructed by your witty and often very informed posts. But, seriously...

Be warned that the type of stupid comments made by people like David Brooks and his fellow idiots at MSNBC are taken SERIOUSLY by many folks "out there". A huge part of our population actually make judgments based on this kind of dreck. THAT is why MM comments on them. MM is not participating in the foolishness, but pointing out the seriousness of such silly conversations in the MSM.

We have a TGIF here in New Orleans. Now, WHY, I ask you, why would anyone come to New Orleans an eat at TGIF? Obviously enough of those folks "out there" who haven't a clue about food. "Folks" like Mr. Brooks or the others having this discussion. If the "points" made by Brooks are to be taken seriously, then the folks "out there" deserve the kind of government they voted for TWICE.

Posted by oscar the grouch in reply to donaldmaddog5642

Why would anyone want to go to New Orleans to go to TGIF when there is so much Cajun available in the area (along with other great regional cusine)?

Posted by anotheramerican in reply to oscar the grouch

Maybe... just maybe... they like eating out there.

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to donaldmaddog5642

"Do you realize how much time you waste replying or responding to the various right-wing Bushites...?"

Hey DonaldMD, Contrary to what some of the angry wingnuts say about "living on" this site (I was accused of that once),I post a little at work, taking little breaks from my workload to read the items and comment. Right now I'm looking over some threads before bed time, but I don't really spend that much time here. I think it's projection from those who take hours to read and Google and post.

But, on the subject of The Big Easy and food, I couldn't imagine going to a TGIF there. The first time I visited NO, I was in my early 20s, and broke. I ate off the Lucky Dog carts a few times during the day, but sampled some amazing hole-in-the-wall places at night.

One night, separated from my group and stumbling around back streets in the French Quarter, I found a nondescript storefront, with a big wooden shingle out front. It was a raw slab of wood, with the outline of a T-Bone steak wood-burned into it, and I got a perfect steak,a salad, a potato and a huge pot of French oni0n soup for a pittance.It was one of the simplest and most amazing meals I've ever had.

On subsequent visits, I've been better funded, and eaten at some more upscale (and great) restaurants in NO, but I've never been able to find that little place.I assume it's long gone, but someday I'll go back , get very drunk, and wander around looking for it. 

It's my Holy Grail.

 

Posted by donaldmaddog5642 in reply to Col. Harlan Sanders

COL,

You can come back to New Orleans anytime and It would be MY great pleasure to feed you properly! That place you mentioned has indeed gone the way of so many joints in the Big Sleezy. "Comfort Food" is looked down upon by the food snobs, but a great burger with baked potato with all the extras is still found in my neighborhood. On St. Peters Street, across from Pat O'Brien's, is a joint called Yo Mama's, where you can get a wonderful peanut butter burger. There's always Port 'O Call and Snug Harbor that serve the best burgers in the world. Another poster at this site, IRONY, is a "Yat", too.

Too bad we can't exchange e-mail addresses. What a gas it would be to all meet in New Orleans and just hang out.

Posted by RINO Hunter

So does this get the award for The Most Ridiculous MMFA Thread Of All Time?

Posted by Col. Harlan Sanders in reply to RINO Hunter

I don't think that your one-line comment determines the mood of the entire thread.

Posted by Phatt Aass

Wot's the deal.... with Madam Brook's pink shirt/blue/purple tie; or Blurple shirt/pink tie?  No biggie, of course, I'm just sayin' .... despite all the B.S. he spouts so easily, he sure can rock that "GaySuit" look, quite smartly!
Obviously this clown is making all this nonsense up , to smear Barack and what does he know about " the uneducated " and what they think , this over paid shill for McCain . How does he know .." they don't see anything and besides given the SIZE of his audiences , there is no way they are all of the elite or educated . 
Does anyone have a copy of Brooks' comment as a PBS commentator immediately after Obama's 2004 Democratic convention speech, in which he compared watching Obama's first major national speech to watching Tiger Woods play his first golf tournament?

Temp I guess you could go to the NPR or PBS site and try and find it in the archives. To add to your theme, as I posted earlier Brooks has been enamored with Barry O through this primary campaign and at times critical.  

I think if MMfA would do a comparison they would find he has been very balanced in his coverage of Barry.   

Posted by right-winger

I LOVE IT DID YOU SEE ALL THOSE HAPPY FACES ON FOX ,CNN, AND MSNBC AFTER THOSE POLL NUMBERS CAME IN LAST NIGHT AND THE CLINTON SPEECH??? THOSE SAME RIGHT-WING REPORTERS WHO DURING THE DAY AND AFTERNOON WAS SO SAD BECAUSE WORD WAS LEAKING OUT THAT HILLARY WAS GOING TO GIVE UP AND SHE WOULD NOT MINE THE VP SPOT. I JUST LOVE IT!!!!!!

Posted by YellowDogDemocrat

This is all just part of the media's elitist label they've tagged on Sen. Obama.  He was a scholarship student in Hawaii -- not generally an elitist position.  He was paid $10K to work as a community organizer in Chicago in 1985.  Heck, as a first year teacher in the South I was paid more than that in 1985!  But to get these points out the media would have to give up their "maverick vs. elitist" storyline which they've already decided upon.

Posted by Brabantio

I don't believe this item belongs here.  Brooks is using this as a random example, so there's nothing hinging on the existence of it.  I think we've all had experiences where we're trying to make a point about something and gotten corrected on some detail that doesn't affect the thrust of the comments.  The response is "whatever, you understand what I'm saying".  You can be wrong about hypothetical details and have a valid point at the same time.

The only way to suggest that there's some hypocrisy here is to assert that Brooks thinks he can fit in with the "downscale" people.  I don't see that in his comments.  Brooks isn't running for president, so he can comment on places Obama is lacking while lacking in those areas himself.  I said Fred Thompson didn't have the charisma and appearance to make it to the White House.  Do I think I have the magnetism or looks to win votes?  Hell no, but I'm not running for President.

Also I find it interesting that we understand that extemporaneous speech is not perfect when discussing so many people here, but somehow this random comment is supposed to destroy Brooks' credibility.  Maybe he gets Ruby Tuesday's and Applebee's confused.  Who knows?  Who cares?

Is Brooks' argument valid?  Maybe, maybe not, but the hypothetical salad bar doesn't have any impact on it.  Is it amusing and mildly embarrassing for Brooks?  Absolutely.  Let the guys at Sadly, No! rip "Bobo" a new one instead of pretending it's a serious issue by highlighting it at the top of the webpage here.

Posted by christopher howard

Mr. Brooks:

Don't listen to the naysayers. You are right on in pointing out how elitist Obama is. I'll tell you what: While he and his elitist, terrorist friends are eating their fancy arugala, you me and the prez can be enjoying a "brew" at Applebee's like the regular Joes we are. Just pick your favorite one (the one where you always go to rub elbows with us workers at the salad bar) and I'll spring for a salad with all the trimmings. After that we can all go bowling.

Sincerely,

Posted by krootie

So Brooks thinks his best friend (McCain) who owns 8 mansions  - fits the Applebee's image better?   Well smack my WV face, poke me in both eyes as I sit in my bare feet.  Geez . . . .

Posted by JimmyCraghorn

but the magic is not felt by a lot of people. It's not felt, obviously, by a lot of less educated people, downscale people.

 

He's referring to people as 'downscale' and criticizing Obama's supposed elitism.  What a tool.