These right-wingers don't have the requisite wit to recognize funny anyway.  The only thing that might change is that they're audience will start to abndom THEM as the public tires of their constant petty criticism of a popular, decent and successful DEMOCRATIC president.

These right-wingers don't have the requisite wit to recognize funny anyway.

Might I suggest their reading the satires of Jonathan Swift, perhaps classics of the genre in their own right.

For starters, of course, Gulliver's Travels, oft mistaken as a classic of juvenile fiction when, in fact, such was intended as a satire of men and manners (the point of which is widely missed in many of the children's editions, which concentrate only on the first two voyages--Lilliput and Brobdignag--and ignore the others, especially so the climatic one to where the yahoos [representing Vice] and hooyhnhms [representing Virtue] resideth).

Also worth recommending from the Swift repretoire would have to be "A Modest Proposal," which took issue @ English policies towards the poor of Ireland by suggesting, tongue-in-cheek, that the children of poor families be fattened and slaughtered as meat for the wealthy.

Not to mention "The Predictions for the Year 1708" (written as "Isaac Bickerstaff"), which was a classic among April Fool's leg-pulls ... not to mention his intending such as an indictment of such who take almanacks, and the "prognostications" so published, rather literally--especially so the poorer and less-educated sort.

After all, the object of satire is to express moral outrage without being too preachy about it.

PHXDOS, Are you saying that Gullivers Travels isn't a true story.

Signed,

Glenn Beck

Comedy lives. Father Pfleger is Hillaryous.

I can't buy bleach without whites wanting to beat me up.

Are you calling Jonathan Swift a right-winger?  If so, based on what?

The daily phoenix wrote: 

>>For starters, of course, Gulliver's Travels, oft mistaken as a classic of juvenile fiction when, in fact, such was intended as a satire of men and manners (the point of which is widely missed in many of the children's editions, which concentrate only on the first two voyages--Lilliput and Brobdignag--and ignore the others, especially so the climatic one to where the yahoos [representing Vice] and hooyhnhms [representing Virtue] resideth).

What are you talking about? Who exactly thinks that *Gulliver's Travels* is juvenile fiction, except those people who never picked up a book in their lives and watched the cartoon version? And are you trying you own hand at satire with the verb "resideth?" Beyond that, I don't even know what your point is. I can't see how Swift's works, which don't even translate that well to our age, have to do with the previous post.  

This is a PC/comedy discussion folks, people watching know it, so it's taken in that vein.  This thread's placement just makes their point.  Gheesh.....

But they don't have a point.

Their point is about political correctness, in a comedic sense.  By highlighting this thread as anything more than comedy shows how some are "strangled", for lack of a better word, by pc.

Graham was trying to make the point that Barak Obama will mean the death of Comedy.

Comedy survived the election of Hiram Revels, it survived the election of Barak Obama, and it will survive if he is elected president. 

Graham has no point. 

Pete, Come on, do you really think he was seriously trying to make that point, the death of comedy?  If he was serious he wouldn't have had a comedian on to make the point, he would have had some sociological thinker on or something.

Apparently we see it differently, I see it as a harmless fluff tongue-in-cheek piece by a host and a comedian.  You see it far more seriously than I do.

Yeah, how absurd to have a comedian discuss the state of comedy!

You need a sociologist for that sh!t. Damn straight.

Oh I do think it's harmless, but it's also pointless.

I don't disagree with you.

Perhaps he thinks that no one will be able to lampoon Obama without fear.  He's wrong.  If comedians avoid racial stereotypes when targeting him, they have nothing to fear, and they're jobs are safe.

*their*

You make a good point, but I suppose there could be an element of truth in what they are saying.  It's probably not a huge stretch to think that certain people or groups will use race to try and invalidate criticisms, funny or unfunny, about Obama.  I can see that happening.  On the other side of the coin, there will also be those who will say Obama supporters will use his race as a shield from criticism, in order to invalidate it.

Tired angles, both of them. 

Does that make sense?  Because I think I confused myself?   :/

Concerning satire...

Rec'd an old email concerning Obama and the National Anthem in which it states that Obama wants to change the National Anthem to the Pepsi song about----I'd like the world to sing in perfect harmony, etc.  Outrageuos as it sounds people real believe that email. The info in the email was a satirical piece written by someone in Phoenix last year. But now, that "satire" has a life of its own. So as small it may seem now, the "death of comedy" line will reappear down the road.

I would change the Anthem to "It's A Small World" (Disney) but I would fear the rath and lose the vote of Small People in America. Didn't want to say midget because it is not PC, satirically speaking

Limbaugh has been flogging this ridiculous meme by having his African American call screener, Bo Snerdly, be his show's "official Obama criticizer," Rush's point (such as it is) being that no white person can possibly criticize Obama without being censured as a racist. Of course one can criticize Obama without being so accused, but very real racism is still just boiling under the surface in many places across the country. I predict an Obama presidency is going to give the real haters liscence to be more openly bigoted than they've been in decades. Obviously none of this is any reason not to vote for Obama, but those who think his presidency will somehow usher in a post-racial America are, I fear, in for a rude awakening.

Agreed bigots are bigots....why should they change?

Yeah, Tommy, it's a joke to imply that some big black guy is going to beat the crap out of you because you order blackened red fish.  That's not comedy or humor - just fear-mongering.  But the righties can't get enough of these "jokes".  Disgusting.

Actually its excusifying for their inability to make a decent case against Obama.

Tommy,

That may be, but you know as well as I and MMFA that some will take what they say as gospel, even iwhen it is from a bobblehead like Glen Beck.

Since any thinking person couldn't for a second believe that political correctness will reign supreme with an Obama presidency needs to have their head examined!

It's just like the right-wing talking point that a return of the Fairness Doctrine will forever silence right-wing talk, when all it will do is force both views to be heard equally and that no one corporation can own more than one media type in a given market......

I can certainly understand (but I don't care) why the right-wing is nervous......

The discussion is with a comedian, if anyone takes it seriously that is their fault.

Then who better to contemplate the immortality of comedy with?  The problem is they have nothing to base their theory on, and thus, no point.

Of course they don't, it's a ridiculous notion - hence the satirical comedy angle, I am surprised you aren't seeing it.

Tommy,

"The discussion is with a comedian"

True..... but Beck interviewed him as if he was being for real and not as a comedian...

I agree with you that those that do fall for it are at fault.... but perhaps that is why MMFA feels it necessary to thread this here? Because of the precieved 'reality' of the discussion.

Even MMFA referred to him as a comedian.

'Predictions For The Year 1708' compliments of thedailyphosdex...feel free to substitute punditry for astrology:

 -- I HAVE long considered the gross abuse of astrology in this
kingdom, and upon debating the matter with myself, I could not
possibly lay the fault upon the art, but upon those gross impostors
who set up to be the artists...

who import a yearly
stock of nonsense, lies, folly, and impertinence, which they offer
to the world as genuine from the planets, though they descend from
no greater a height than their own brains. -- Jonathan Swift

Thanks for the great read phosdex...

 

Okay, so let's get you on the record here.  To wit, when (not 'if,' but 'when') the rumor runs through the internet enough to get regurgitated on Fox News that Barack Obama wants to ban all comedy, you will of course point out that the swill all derived from an ill-conceived monologue delivered by a so-called 'comedian' with more mouth than talent, on a show which by all accounts is a place where talking heads go to die of irrelevancy.  We can count on you to do that, can't we?...

I am not sure if you're talking to me or not, but I will go on record, absolutely, in front of God and everybody here, that if Barack Obama wants to ban all comedy, I will be against it.......what in the world will he do with you, if that is the case?

HAHA!!! 

I could always go on Glen Beck... :o)

It's just like the right-wing talking point that a return of the Fairness Doctrine will forever silence right-wing talk, when all it will do is force both views to be heard equally and that no one corporation can own more than one media type in a given market......

The fairness doctrine was before my time and I'm not entirely familiar with it. However, is it fair to say that it authorizes the FCC to determine which "views" are aired equally?  I know the question isn't conducive to a quick response, but my impression is that the doctrine permits political appointees at the FCC to determine which "views" must be aired to the public.  Particularly with respect to social policy, foreign affairs, economics and so forth, I think there's many different ways at looking at a particular policy, not just a "left" or "right" standpoint.  Using the FD, how is it decided which opposing view must get equal time?

There was no equal time given. A person with an opposing point of veiw was given time for a short statement. Five minutes or less was usual.

As I recall it was only if the aggrieved party chose to respond, they were afforded a rebuttal.

But since propaganda takes much longer to take hold while the truth will set you free in the blink of an eye, I can understand why Reagan didn't want his propaganda media wing to be subjected to opposing arguments.

IMO, the revival of the Fairness Doctrine would have to be contingent on giving the FCC the power to regulate, basically, all political/social commentary on "the people's airwaves. It's a bad idea, especially given the proclivities of the bureaucrats and career politicians. We've already had Sen. Stevens try to impose regular-TV standards on cable TV broadcasts... what's to stop the ol' debbil of "mission creep" from spreading past the parameters of talk radio?

As for the concept of politically-correct speech... just imagine how boring Dave Chappelle's show would've been, or how dry Carlos Mencia would be today, if they had to constantly worry about Speech Police yammering about how they were "offended" by what these men say.

 

The anti PC rant is mostly a way of proping up lazy Archie Bunkerisms that wouldn't be taken seriously otherwise. Look for lots of "brave" comments about how Obama is a halfrican.

You're right. "Political Correctness" is most often decried by bigots who are mad that they can't refer to Blacks as n*****s any more.

Like the way Robert Byrd did on national TV?

No, I'm sorry, but it's not about the right to use the "N"-word. It goes far deeper than that. Nobody SHOULD be using it, but do we want it enforced by the way of law?

 

I don't think it is illegal anywhere to use the n-word.  I don't think you can outlaw a word.

Isn't the Glenn Beck show discussing comedy a little bit like the boys at "Jackass" discussing macroeconomics?

Sounds about right.  Beck and friends won't be in any trouble because they never have gotten the knack for comedy and have never done any.

Except by accident, of course.

I think blamiong your lack of comedic talent on the stifling effects of PC is about the same as tapping the mic and saying "Is this thing on?"

I remember going to comedy clubs in the 80s when there was that big stand-up boom, and that was the easiest way for the hack to blame somebody else.

The other desperate save was meeting the silence after the bomb with a wave of the hand over the head, accompanied by a "whooosh" sound.

A lot of very unfunny people seemed convinced that they were too edgy or too smart for the room.

The Daily Show and The Colbert Report do it on a nightly basis, Glen. You've got a mike, but still...

And Nick DiPaolo was never funny.

And he's going on a "comedy tour" this summer too!  Can you just imagine?  I mean, can you just imagine the "comedy" at a Glenn Beck "comedy show".  It's like Savage when he does his comedic "bits"- laughing at them feels like you're laughing at the handicapped.  Are there enough dips#!ts in America to make Beck some cash this summer?  Yes.  Yes, there are.  Nick DiPaolo is an unfunny hack.  How he could have squanderd the 15 seconds of fame he got from Tough Crowd is beyond me.  I was surprised to find out he's still alive.  Obama's first presidential order should be to prohibit BECk, if no one else, from doing comedy.  Nick DiPaolo, too. 

Yeah, PC won't just kill comedy, it'll kill commericals too, soon you won't be able to wear a scarf when you're trying to sell coffee.  Opps, already happened.

I knew something was up with Rachel Ray when I saw her whipping up some Roasted Stomach in Hell.

I'm rather surprised MMfA hasn't jumped on this one.  Michelle "the -Pittsburgh-Penguin-of the-same-surname-heard-her-and-now-wants-to-change-his-surname-to-Smith" Malkin screams like Jamie Lee Curtis in a slasher film about "terrorist chic" about Rachael Ray's scarf and Dunkin' Donuts ditches the commercial?  Talk about gutlessness on the part of DD...a gutlessness which has cost them a customer, for I'll starve rather than buy another DD product after this...

Yeah, I went to DD's website and was astonished to find their new "Death to America Cappuccino Blast with Pipe Bomb Crullers" being sold there.

And yet, ANSWER is calling for a boycott over the "meaningless" scarf.

Perhaps it is not so meaningless afterall.

And yet, ANSWER is calling for a boycott over the "meaningless" scarf.

Perhaps it is not so meaningless afterall.

- LEATHERHELMET / Saturday May 31, 2008 7:38:33 PM EDT

It has meaning now because Michelle Malkin and her cohort's anti-Arab bigotry has intimidated a corporation into pulling an innocuous ad and validating her hatred against a portion of the American public.

Conservative "humor" is almost entirely of the "finger in the eye" variety.Lacking any sense of truth, wit, or timing, right-wing "jokes" rely almost entirely on spite. It's the same "I'm going to say this, and you can't stop me" mindset that motivates obscene phone callers.

NoCon, I get to check out the righty humor emails of my co-workers from time to time, and I think "finger in the eye" is being generous. Most involve death or at least graphic violence done to somebody on the other side of the aisle politically.

Okay, you got me on that one. I forgot to add, "usually requires a victim".

It's true the right has a very limited humor arsenal.

Ever since appearing in blackface became unacceptable, a lot of the talent dried up and went into punditry.

king,

I hope you're happy...I just blew hot coffee all over my keyboard and screen.

That was funny...I don't care who you are.

If you run out of anything to do...and mmfa has an opening...I suggest you look into it. This thread is a perfect example of why they need more humor in the staff room at mmfa...this is a nothing article. 

Worrier,

I didn't realize Air America was still on? :-)  

AA, I think the point has been made about conservative humor, no need for backup.

but, huh?

Col., you just don't get AA's deep humor. It's above us all. Let's all bow down to the comedy god, AA for having superlative humor that no one gets except for him. And maybe Ann Coulter. :-0)

Thanks. Try the veal. ;-)

Worrier,I didn't realize Air America was still on? :-) (Barney Fife)

Seriously, did anybody understand the joke?Was it just typical conservative humor (no point, no basis in reality,not funny in any way), or did I miss it?

 

Anybody? It's Sunday. Can I assume AA has quit any pretense at being anything other than a low level troll, or can somebody explain the joke?

I didn't realize Air America was still on?

You don't realize that the sky is blue and that water is wet, either. 

to this point in time, nobody told him about those color thingees....yuk yuk

I see trees of green, red roses too
 I see them bloom for me and you
 And I think to myself, what a wonderful world

 I see skies of blue and clouds of white
 The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
 And I think to myself, what a wonderful world

 The colours of the rainbow, so pretty in the sky
 Are also on the faces of people going by
 I see friends shakin' hands, sayin' "How do you do?"
 They're really saying "I love you"

 I hear babies cryin', I watch them grow
 They'll learn much more than I'll ever know
 And I think to myself, what a wonderful world
 Yes, I think to myself, what a wonderful world

 Oh yeah

*sigh* Smited by the cut and paste God once again.  

He's smote most of us at one time or another.

AA,

Try cutting and pasting into an empty notepad document first. Then Ctrl+A to select all.  Copy and paste again into MMFA's dialogue box.  For some reason MMFA keeps the formating of the place you originally cut and pasted from unless you do that.

Thanks. Will do.

More accurately, I would say that conservative "humor" is usually an ex post facto sort of thing, much like the class bully getting caught giving the class nred a swirlie; when caught, Jocko McBully whines "I was only jokin'!" while pulling Jimmy O'Nerdy's head out of the toilet...

A couple questions:

how will the election of Barack Obama change anyone's PC-driven trepidation over ordering "blackened red fish"?

how is some imagined "political correctness" environment "coming back to bite" the Democrats "in the ass"?

Not really sure what either of these guys is saying here. Sounds more like it's just an excuse to ridicule Democrats while employing some dusty buzzwords to me.

I didn't think it possible the guest host could be a bigger jackass than the host,

but......

Oh, I don't know about that, 8. Beck has built up a pretty impressive body of work in jackassdom. To hand the title to some pretender after just a short clip sounds a bit precipitous to me.

Speaking of funny, 8 Homes McCain is one of the funniest post names in the last couple of years. Kudos.

I like 8Homes too.There was a "Grampy McFreepass" a few weeks ago, but, only a post or two. 

Hillary gave LBJ credit for helping Luther King realize his dream.Wasting no time, Obama supporters called this "playing the race card".

Go figure.

Not so much what was said but how it was said.  It was a dismissive comment about how Obama has views that are good starting points, but like MLK Jr, it would take a president to get it done.  It had the racial undertones, she was equating her self to LBJ (obviously) and Obama to MLK, with no real basis for the analogy at all.

I really would like to know what exactly is playing the race card and what is pointing out that something does in fact have racial undertones.  Everyone cries race card at every opportunity, when most of the time, the allegations are justified and people just don't like to hear about it because they have this seriously flawed idea that race doesn't matter in America while the prominent members of society (the elite) are on TV proving it wrong.  Voters are proving it wrong, too.  The race card is a term used by someone playing the denial card, and that one's the real trump card.

Hillary's comment belittling King's struggle was unnecessary, but it wasn't playing 'the race card'.  She merely suggested that King needed a President to realize his dream.

Fortunately, the President and the dreamer are one and the same, this time.

Elect Barack Obama in 2008!

As I recall the disagreement was over which form of government best serves the people, the top down executive model (more conservative) or the bottom up, activist form (more progressive).

Belittle? I don't believe pointing out a historical fact in anyway belittles what MLK did. Does suggesting MLK did it all himself belittle what LBJ did? I would say yes. Both men did a great service to our country. Let's leave it at that.

Belittle? I don't believe pointing out a historical fact in anyway belittles what MLK did. Does suggesting MLK did it all himself belittle what LBJ did? I would say yes. Both men did a great service to our country. Let's leave it at that.

While I don't mean to belittle LBJ's signing of the Civil Rights bill, I must point out, he simply used a pen.

MLK and others gave their lives for the right to be treated as a human being. King marched the streets holding nonviolent protests while dogs and fire hoses were used to stop him. He was beaten, jailed and his family lived under constant death threats. And the government he was trying to change choose to secretly wiretapped him.

While Hillary was right, it took LBJ's signature to make it law it took MLK's life and many many others to demand civil rights. 

Amen that, Pearlene.

Pearlene, you are the best.  Well put.

Hillary's comment belittling King's struggle was unnecessary, but it wasn't playing 'the race card'. 

Belittling? No way. She simply pointed out that MLK & LBJ were both responsible in making the Civil Rights Act possible.

It was the Obama surrogates, supporters & the media that played the race card on this one.

I'm pretty certain most comedians [and others] will not deliberately deliver jokes that offend Obama if they are even borderline racist in anyway.

However, you'll have folks out there that will claim racism in regards to any jokes at Obama's expense.

I agree with Jeter and Appleboy. This was one of the many examples of people taking something Hillary said and stretching it to the most ridiculous and preposterous conclusion possible. 

It's sadly true; a whole lot of satirical takes on the Obama presidency or jokes at his expense--equal to those made about all earlier presidents--are going to be attacked as having "undercurrents" of racism.  Many Obama supporters this year have been so unjust on this issue as it applied to political criticisms, that they will certainly find in humor about Obama darker more suspicious "undercurrents."  One piece of evidence-- just a few weeks ago a minor uproar happened when SNL dared to give the role of Obama to a white actor.  You'd think we were watching a minstrel show of the 20's!  No, thin skins will make the Lettermans and Lenos of the country  afraid to say much of anything satirical about Mr. Obama.  Oh, and Jon Stewart will pull all his punches, saving his satire for Republicans or perhaps still for Hilllary as he's done all year. 

 

It was the Obama surrogates, supporters & the media that played the race card on this one.

LBJ signed a bill. He was never beaten, jailed, attacked by dogs or sprayed with fire hoses. He never lived under constant death threats nor were his phone lines wiretapped by his government. While I'm thankful that LBJ signed the bill it was the blood, sweat and lives of MLK and others that gave LBJ the opportunity to sign a bill.

Pointing out that fact is NOT "playing the race card" it's simply the TRUTH!

Racism is alive and well in the Afro American community and we already know it without Glenn Beck.

Hillary spoke the truth, but some people in America want a black man to be President so she was called a racist. Shame on them.

Racism is alive and well in the Afro American community and we already know it without Glenn Beck.

It's AFRICAN American community, Afro is a freaking hair style! The fact that you're calling African Americans 'Afro' shows your lack of knowledge.  

Hillary spoke the truth, but some people in America want a black man to be President so she was called a racist. Shame on them.

Hillary no more spoke the truth than you did! If it wasn't for MLK and others, LBJ wouldn't have a damn bill to sign in the first place!

The shame is totally yours!

Given the history of the conervative movement, it's pretty twisted that any conservative would complain about pc. The whole gameplan for the spread of conservatism hinges on changing our basic assumptions about how the world should work by forcing their moralistic views on the rest of the culture.

I guess the greatest trick conservatives ever mastered was the art of projection.

Speaking of which, you don't mind if I call you IMax do you?  ;-)

That would be H.D. Imax to us elitists.

Can we call you reel to reel, cause you're old school, right?

Not as old school as "8 Tracks McCain."

reel funny. ;-)

Your pun was beta than mine.

For the record, you guys are taking this thread off track.

I prefer that to a broken record.

"Speaking of which, you don't mind if I call you IMax do you? ;-)"

Did I forget to mention deflection is probably the second finest asset in the conservative handbook?

We can chalk up the realization of the Bizarro World to the cons.

I think MM taking a comedian to task for making a joke kind of proves DiPaolo's point.

Except that it wasn't the comedian DiPaolo's point.  It was guest host Graham's.  Maybe you'll have better luck next time if you actually read the post.

Nice job dandec.

A little comedic corn in the water and the carp rise in a boil. 

It would be comedic corn if the political right hadn't been carping in all seriousness for years now on how political correctness was the new form of McCarthyism, if not Stalinism.

As Kyle pointed out, it wasn't the comedian's point that was the focus of this thread. It was the guest host's "comedic" (?) remark about blackened red fish killing comedy that MMFA took to task.

Still waiting for someone to explain that one to me.

I remember when "blackening" food just meant it was burnt, like most of Junior Bush's brain cells.

Can I get some Freedom Fries with my blackened red fish?

All this thread proves is that the Glen Beck Show can be just as lame when its lame host isn't hosting it.

 

 

These guys make no freaking sense whatsoever. Obama would really prove that POTUS is the most powerful position on Earth if he does kill comedy simply by being presiden alone. Idiots.

Call me crazy, or wouldn't we want a president we don't make fun of.  Don't we want a president that is not the laughing stock of the world.  Who do these guys talk to?  I don't understand what they are talking about. 

What an absolutely stupid way to display racism.  It is amazing.  And wonder why nothing was said about Gov. Jindel. He is a great guy but wonder why they left him out of the discussion.  You know an American from India.  Must be because he was Republican. anyway, what a stupid statement. 

Are you kidding me.  What?  Is (if he is is elected) President Obama send out the PC police and arrest you or shut down your radio or TV station?

The one we should fear is HRC and her Mafia of troups who will re-instate the fairness doctrine and all Media will be stifle.

I don't worry since McCain will be President no matter who the Democratic opponent is.  Especially Obama. 

 

 

B105B, Now that is real comedy. Finally, Republan comedy hits this post.

I happen to agree that the Afro Americans are not about to allow anyone to say anything that they will construe as racist.

It has already been going on for months, so many people voted for Obama because of white guilt.

If there is a God, then hopefully we will not have to worry about it.

Why haven't you defended sexism and why have you allowed the MSM to turn Obama into a Messiah? Surely, if he is a racist he has to expect it to be returned.

The Bill Clinton Administration had more blacks than white, and yet no one defended him when he was called a racist.  It was allowed so it could help to defeat his wifes candidacy.

People are going to wake up without the right wing press, and hopefully it will be in time to vote for John McCain and save this country from grief.

Sadly it will be too late for Hillary.

With a Democratic Congress and since McCain is not so conservative, I think it will save pain and more aggravated racism in this country.

 

 

"I happen to agree that the Afro Americans are not about to allow anyone to say anything that they will construe as racist."

Any reason why African Americans should tolerate racism?

"It has already been going on for months, so many people voted for Obama because of white guilt."

Have any statistics to back that up?

"The Bill Clinton Administration had more blacks than white, and yet no one defended him when he was called a racist. It was allowed so it could help to defeat his wifes candidacy."

I actually agree with you here somewhat. Rampant sexism against Hillary was allowed in the MSM and even liberal pundits who should have known better involved themselves in tarring innocent Hillary statements as racist.

"People are going to wake up without the right wing press, and hopefully it will be in time to vote for John McCain and save this country from grief. Sadly it will be too late for Hillary."

So you are one of those "Democrats" who is going to vote for a Republican if your candidate doesn't win?

"With a Democratic Congress and since McCain is not so conservative, I think it will save pain and more aggravated racism in this country."

You'll have to diagram that sentence for me. Are you saying that Obama is a racist or are you saying that an Obama presidency will aggravate racism in this country?

McCain has already made it very clear that he is going to stack the Supreme Court with Scalia and Thomas clones, and that he is itching to start a war with Iran. If McCain gets elected, what makes you think that there will be a Democratic congress? Our "majority" in the senate right now is based on Joseph Lieberman, who is a McCain sycophant.

Hillary supporters who say they are voting McCain when they otherwise would have voted for the Democrats are either cutting off their noses to spite their faces, or are (as I've discovered in other forums) Republican "Operation Chaos" type troublemakers trying to pass themselves off as troubled Dems. Which are you?

Good questions. Anyone who decides to vote for grampy because their candidate didn't win is doing so for very self-involved reasons and not for the good of the country.

Comedy lives. Father Pfleger is Hillaryous.

I can't buy bleach wiithout whites wanting to beat me up.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism