McCain's "working across party lies" being something that is completely undocumented, this makes him an Undocumented Worker... and requires that he be sent back across the borderline, back where he came from.

 

I don't think even ONE pudding-brained pundit has ever gotten Gramps immigration flip-flop correct.

They're too blinded by His Maverickness, I guess.

but not his abandonment of bipartisan position

Regardless your stance on the particular immigration topic, its a very far stretch to consider this a "bipartisan" position.  McCain crossed party lines with his stance, but it no way, shape, or form did it include much of anything demanded by the Republican side of the house.

Im not a McCain backer by any means, but this whole immigration flip flop is being blown out of proportion.  Who cares what his stance was then, or now....the American people have voiced their opposition of McCain & Bush's attempts.

It's important because it goes to his character, something the press is very willing to challenge with regard to the D's but much less so with the R's.

Whichever President struts into the Oval Office, they will without any fear of contradiction sign into law a new AMNESTY. That means taxpayers will be forced by previous court rulings to support them. But dealing with the welfare needs of illegal aliens who are already here, is not the worst of it? Seeing that an Amnesty has been enacted, millions more will come expecting the same outcome. Once this unfettered rush for the border starts, no US Border Patrol, no National Guard, No minutemen will stop the hellish momentum. We must demand the pending SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) from our Democratic representatives, as they try to rig this bill.

The only hell I foresee is the ignorance of angry thugs who close their minds to the reality of destructive trade agreements that force economic refugees to flee desperate poverty at home.

If we want to curtail immigration, we need to get past the fear and loathing of 'the other' and break loose the grip of the profit over people mindset that drives all these free trade agreements and restore the dignity we owe laborers. That means rewriting free trade policies into fair trade policies that provide work place safety, living wages and health benefits for laborers around the globe.

Focusing hate on those who leave their home to make a better way in the U.S. totally ignores the responsibility of corporatists to act in good faith on behalf of laborers.

Anything less is barberous crime and punishment mumbo jumbo distractions that fail to resolve the root cause of the mass exodus of economic refugees across borders.

You haven't any credibility on what the american people are saying.

The repubs saw some hard choices and wanted no responsibility for bringing rationality to the immigration issue. Similar to the abortion issue. It makes no political sense to them to actually resolve either. 

You haven't any credibility on what the american people are saying.

The polls say otherwise.  And exactly why McCains bill and GWB's attempt were quickly washed out.  Just like the drivers license for illegals plan.  70% of the people in the liberal state of NY were angry about it.

Exciting to think your irrational anger is shared isn't it. Those ole endorphins just a wizzin arround your brain.

Until you can prove what I say is incorrect, then your jibber-jabber is just "stuff and nonsense".

McCain-Kennedy overwhelmingly failed, Drivers licenses failed miserably, and the vast array of polls out there prove you wrong.

Go ahead, show me some of your favorable data...

Don't feel like putting myself out for no good reason. You spew and ask me to be definitive?

Why should anyone take into account the position of someone who, by your previous posts, has never been made aware of a social contract that you didn't immediately piss on. Beyond the fear that you might hurt them.

You really are Chenny's clone aren't you.

Does it make you sad that overwhelming majority of American citizens do not share your view?

Sound like a sore loser....resembles my nephew's attitude when losing a little league baseball game.

Which you'll undoubtly remind him of  for as long as your both alive.

Never really been much concerned about how many people share my views. If they're too comon I should probably come up with some new ones.

Your views? That an attempt to rationalize the situation was shot down. Thereby proving most everyone hates the potential immigrants, just like you? 

I remember the Repubs about to split in two over it. The Latino population tend to a conservative point of view. An expanding population population quiet likely to vote in a conservative manner. Potentially a significant republican voting block. But the fear of them, the latino's and somehow having the white population swept under a brown wave, trumped.

So now the issue can fester and become something that would lead to maybe you and Chenny Prime paying to sit in a tower and pick off some unfortunate wretch going for one intolerable thing to another.

You offer nothing to the issue but a stupid invitation to pile on some unfortunates.  

Your term paper: F+

The plus for was effort to sound convincing, although none of your rant held any logical basis.

Rant? Somehow you and sensitvity just does not mesh.

Just so you can't say the difference was never pointed out to you.

In fact a four participent rant at no extra charge.

The second of the unatural acts, from Waiting on the Count of Monte Cristo, or Someone Like Him.

Persona dramatis(hic).

Soldier 1: Pete, no Sir name given.

Soldier 2: Andrew Lount.

Fake Ghost: Of fabled King Bernardo.

Prince Edmund Edmund: That B*st*rd.

S1; Oh a soldier's life, it ain't so grand. Bend boys bend!

But me feets at least are on dry land. Bend boys bend!

S2: HHOOAAAHHH!!! 

S1: Ah tis the ghost Ods Balls! Evacuate into the morning mist oh dreadful Wraith!

S2: BBBOOAAHH!!

S1: Come not closer oh spirit cold! Oh I'll slit your sheets with me Lanceslot Bow!!

S2: AArr, put up your pipe pete. Tis I Andrew Launt. Your battle mate.

S1: Me bottle mate ya mean. You've just set me pants afloat! Its only right that you should fill me up again.

S2: A sorry mess. If fabled King Bernardo really walked. You'd turn to jelly!

S1: Ha hah, if I be jelly. Where be me breakfast toast!

S2: There's toast enough for both of us. Come fill ya!

S1: Aye, we'll meet the dawn with elbows up!

Together: Bend boys bends!

FG: HHHAAOOOOOHHHHA!!!

S1: Look up upon the battlements! A real ghost!!

S2: It seems to float with no more substance than thy steaming breath!

FG: Ah long have I walked. In aimless mindless searchng. Searching for a man with blunted aim and mottled tights!

S2: Mottley tights! Thats good! Like spots.

S1: Spotted tights!

S1: Aye, there's but one man that fits in that consription!

S2: And but one butt in spotted pants!

S1: Edmund.

S2: Edmund?

FG: Not Edmund Edmund, but happy Edmund, princely Edmund.

S2: He means drunkun Edmund. I know the nock in which he sleeps. A rock away, I'll get him Flat!

To be continued.

Please dont continue.  Ive had enough liberals arts today.

Now you attack Juan Williams and NPR! What's next, Al Franken? 

It is HILARIOUS watching you far lefties grasping at straws to discredit McCain: who has more character than Clinton or Obama. It all seems like whining now. God you people love to whine and complain that you're being victimized. Get over it!    

It is HILARIOUS watching you far lefties grasping at straws to discredit McCain

LOL

At historically black Xavier University, McCain added, "We’ve got a range of issues here in New Orleans correcting the mistakes from the past policies and past actions to the hear and now. I want everyone of us to be able in the near future to walk through the 9th ward and see everyone of those homes restored with people living in them."

Later that same day on his campaign bus:

He also told reporters he was not sure if he would rebuild the lower 9th ward as president.
"That is why we need to go back is to have a conversation about what to do -rebuild it, tear it down, you know, whatever it is,” he said.

But McCain:
 

McCain Voted Against Emergency Funding Bill, Including $28 Billion for Hurricane Relief

McCain Voted Against Five Months of Medicaid For Hurricane Katrina Victims For Up To Five Months

McCain Voted Twice Against Establishing A Commission To Study The Response To Hurricane Katrina

McCain Opposed Granting Financial Relief To Those Affected By Hurricane Katrina

Now the Shia-Al Qaeda connection: 

HH: Senator McCain, welcome to the Hugh Hewitt Show, thanks for joining us.

HH: What’s the concern you have about Iran, and about, in particular, Ahmadinejad? Some people want to meet with him. He’s not on your agenda this trip.

JM: (laughing) The day I meet with the president of Iran will be the day after he announces his country no longer is dedicated to the extinction of the state of Israel, the day after they stop exporting these most lethal explosives into Iraq. Just yesterday, up in the Mosul area, they uncovered a cache of weapons, and a lot of it was these Iranian copper, high…most lethal explosives. As you know, there are al Qaeda operatives that are taken back into Iran, given training as leaders, and they’re moving back into Iraq. I think Americans should be very angry when we know that Iran is exporting weapons into Iraq that kill Americans.

Honoring the fifth year anniversary of the war, McCain wrote:

Today in Iraq, America and our allies stand on the precipice of winning a major victory against radical Islamic extremism. The security gains over the past year have been dramatic and undeniable. Al Qaeda and Shia extremists -- with support from external powers such as Iran -- are on the run but not defeated."

McCAIN IN IRAQ: That al Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran. That's well known.

Then after Senator Lieberman whispered in his ear.

MCAIN: I'm sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al Qaeda. Not al Qaeda. I'm sorry.

Pearlene,

What is your point?  

 grasping at straws to discredit McCain

LOL

We don't have to grasp at anything. Every time that Gramps opens his mouth his provides the material.

Whoaa...are you saying McCain has character? John McCain? John McCain sold his soul in 2004 to the Republican Party to become President in 2008. He is an ambitious, pandering fraud who will change any core position he has taken and abandon whatever integrity he might once have possessed in order to become President.

Irony...

Sorry - McCain is no fraud, no matter how much you wish it to be true. He probably can't beat Obama because we are a country of useful (and apparently liberal) idiots.  

By the way...you are describing Hillary Clinton.  

No its John(Sweet Momma Express)McKeptboy.

McCain is a fraud...and you are apparently too blinded by ideology to see that.

He is not blinded by ideology.  You are brainwashed by conspiracy.

What conspiracy? It is a matter of documented record that John McCain has consistently adjusted his positions on various matters in order to pander to the right wing in his run for the presidency. 

Would you like me to point you out to a video of several notable figures (Pelosi, Dean, Reid, Clinton, Obama, others) all giving public speeches about Iraq and WMDs in 1998, and how their stances have changed, when the facts havent?

So they are all frauds - changing position to further political career.  Isn't that the definition of a politician?  Yes.

What about Jerry Falwell whom McCain denounced as an agent of divisiveness...before he did a pilgrimage to Lynchburg, VA to kiss Falwell's...ahhh, ring? Oh...just happened to be when McCain started his campaign...imagine that. McCain's a two-bit fraud.

Fallwell is not in the US congress.  That would be like comparing reverend Wright.

What i am referring to is how everyone one of those names I mentioned publicly spoke out about Iraq and how dangerous Saddam was, and how they had WMD and were trying to obtain Nuclear weapons...all in 1998 when WHO was president?  Now, they change their story, and try to wish away the documents that prove what they really said 10 years ago?

Thats a hypocrite sonny boy.

The difference is, none of those people you mentioned STARTED A WAR AGAINST AN UNARMED COUNTRY!

everyone one of those names I mentioned publicly spoke out about Iraq and how dangerous Saddam was, and how they had WMD and were trying to obtain Nuclear weapons...all in 1998 when WHO was president?

Not a SINGLE person you listed said INVADE Iraq! The only nuts dumb enough to invade Iraq was Junior and Satan. Heck in 1994 Satan listed the reason NOT to invade Iraq. But Junior and Satan lying through their  pearly white teeth decided to start a war! Junior and Satan said Saddam has something to do with 9/11

Over 4,000 dead, over 25,000 wounded, countless children without a parent, countless parents without a child. Billions of taxpayers dollar spent with no end in sight. Gas prices off the charts, job loss and the worse mortgage crisis in the country's history.

Now who is the real liar?

FG: I grow cold. Night slips away!

S1: As does thy beard. Uncovering blue and goosely flesh.

FG: Nay nay, touch me not!

EE: Where is it! Show it to me man!

S2: There it is. Up upon the Battlements!

EE: Hand me my swordflask varlet!

S2: But of what use this steel upon a ghost melord?

EE: A ghost? methought you spoke of goats upon the battlement!

S2: Ghoost! melord!

EE: Well be he ghost or goat or ghost of goat orboth. I'll spirits need to goad my spirits on! (swallows)

S2: See he beckons.

S1: And stands not his foot upon a slip of stone!

FG: EDmuund.

EE: Stamp not impatient spirit. For I'll not cancil thee.

S2: Take care master. Let him lead thee not to hell.

EE: Hell! What hell, we tore it down! Whats hell to me, or me to hell. What the ell! As a tot was betold me not to cross the mote. But then the monk did bespeak me to cast out the mote from mine own eye. Instead I crossed my eyes and doublecrossed the monk. Who fellinto the mote. And soon they bade me warning. I play not with myself. Twill make me blind. But I was def and though I fell into the burning bush and was consumed. I rose again to bite another apple off another Eve. Afraid of hell? I've dreamt I've left my senses many times and fought great monsters, pink boheamith, rats upon my bed! Who cares! Are we not men! If we fall, can we not rise again! Hot headed, flushed with blood! We'll get sitting down, or standing up! Or get it anyway we can!! Staint Micky Save Me!!!

FG: Shut up Edmund!

EE: You see he knows me! I go for Grid, for Goofy, and Staint Walt!!

 

The end, now read on.

Hope Mary catches it. Columbus gave me enough of an excuse to fianlly get it past the filters.

Too much free time for you....get a job, and help save welfare dollars.

finally get, etc.

So what kind of overtime are you getting this evening? Your pathologicalness is very busy.

I count four incorrect assumptions just on this thread so far. Try harder clone.

They must have a picture of this guy with a duck ,he to me is such a sellout.I caught him one day commenting on something regarding Barack.

He so twisted the logic of his argument it was shameful to say the least.He is the go to black guy to substantiate foxs right wing talking points.

                               Disgusting

350 million legal citizens in this country and we have these three stooges before us?  Ok, two stooges and Obama, the well-intentioned naive Democrat. 

Apparently, none of them will commit to upholding the law and actually close the borders against all illegal entry.  If that doesn't happen, then none of the rest will matter. With such open borders, there can be no workable solutions to many of the issues we face.  And that becomes truer and more evident every day we are borderless, till it will one day be too late - if we aren't there already.  How can anyone think we'll control medical costs, or employment, the economy in general, or much of anything else - if the target keeps moving and effecting us in ways that are essentially unpredictable?  

It sounds to me like many Americans, possibly most, believe this country is sliding downhill faster and faster and that there exists somewhere a point of no return. Personally, I believe most current Republican "leaders", and virtually all Democrat "leaders", will only increase the speed of this slide - and I don't expect we'll see much improvement as long as we and they continue to allow corporations (domestic AND foreign) to own the government, allow the Pres and Congress to shirk their duty at the borders, and fail to take a collective stand (based on the voices of those they pretend to serve) that doesn't change month to month on issues of morality and law. 

It's very bleak, but it's not hopeless yet. Is it? 

Are conservatives given stupid pills at birth?

350 million legal citizens in this country and we have these three stooges before us?  Ok, two stooges and Obama, the well-intentioned naive Democrat.  Apparently, none of them will commit to upholding the law and actually close the borders against all illegal entry.

LOL 

Karltripp, have you asked the Republican controlled government of 2000-2006 what happened? You talk about Democratic candidates but your lazy flip flopping Republican nominee co-sponsored a bill on illegal immigration and when Republicans yelled and screamed he flip flop totally against the bill HE co-sponsored. Check out 6 years of a total Republican controlled government and look at how concerned THEY were about illegal immigration. You have nerve to talk about Democrats? "People who live in glass houses DON"T throw stones".