But they're being loaded on buses from cities where black people are being killed every day, at an astonishing rate, by black people, and no one's saying a word.

Do people really enjoy listening to this garbage?

Yes, but they have to take off their hoods first.

We are talking about republicans, aren't we?

Are you sure the perps weren't John Edwards supporters, Snoopy? From fellow Democrat Bob Shrum's statements, I understand that Edwards is not "comfortable around those kinds of people."

Link to quote, please.

Edwards uncomfortable with ‘those people’: [link to www.washblade.com]

Lame.

 "Those people" are not quite mainstream yet, but being a D, he is linked to them automatically. Edwards, being a distant third, may be looking for any advantage he can get.

Whatever. Genghiz made the comparison between the brutal beating of a homosexual and the dubious second-hand comments related by an unreliable source.

Lame.

Edwards was speaking about gays. This is a discussion about racism. Why bring up gays? Just a little off topic Edwards-bashing?

The only racism I see is when Jesse and Al show up and tell me its racism. Being a white guy in a white neighborhood, I appereantly have no idea of what racism looks like.

sarcasm on for sure

That was sarcasm?

Huh.

Snoopy ws the first to bring up gays on this thread. I merely clarified if the perps weren't Edwards supporters given the well-known Edwards contempt of "those people."

Snoopy was the first to bring up gays on this thread. I merely clarified if the perps weren't Edwards supporters given the well-known Edwards contempt of "those people."

Too funny.  Weren't you guys trying to use that as evidence that he doesn't like gays a few months ago?

I wonder if Gibson just puts his white hood and bedsheet in the dressing room when he changes into that suit, or if he keeps it at home?

I'm sure he has more than one set.....

Once again, Gibson goes way beyond anything Imus ever said.  Think he's going to lose his job? Hell no.

Gibson is a race-baiting, vicious appealer to the lowest common denominator.  But apparently he gets ratings, and being a Conservative means never having to say you're sorry. 

Two in one day. The right wing are out in force appealing to their base I see. Pretty sad that they would rather harp on 6 black youths then on the blatant racism that still exists in their ranks. But then I forget, right wingers have that out of sight, out of mind mentality. As long as a minority doesn't live in their neighborhood they think they don't engage in racism anymore.

 Pretty sad that they would rather harp on 6 black youths

Call them what they are. 6 black thugs

So you think they were correctly charged the first time?

What I would like to charge them with has no bearing. 6 on one makes them thugs no matter the skin color.

I didn't ask you that.  I believe they should be punished, but the punishment should fit the crime.

I think that Gibson tops O'Reilly in the racism department. Can't wait to see the first person who defends Gibson here.

Oh rino, preston is calling you...

LOL, you're too funny. Either Rino or AA, both are two peas in a pod.

Preston, you'll probably have to explain to AA the black/white devil difference. ;-)

So true! He enjoys asking questions to answers that should come quite naturally to a thinking and reasonable human being.

Preston, 

Sometimes he prefers the Socratic method 'pod'ner.

Except that Socrates was asking questions for the sake of knowledge and clarity, not to lead one to a preconceived notion.

Pearlene,

Are you saying "the devil's in the details?" 

OK. I tried hard not to laugh, but you deserve huge funnymanpants for that one, AA! ;)

Preston,

I believe Gibson is being pretty racist and disingenuous at the same time here.  He is pretty obviously mocking radical black political cliches from the 1960's and 1970's with the "white devil" and/or "black devil" remarks - which I find to be race baiting at best.

Secondly, Gibson acts as if you can either protest murder locally or protest an injustice elsewhere - which is a false dichotomy and disingenuous of him.

Thirdly, it seems Gibson is complaining about "black on black" crime as if it would be any better if it was "white on white", "black on white" or vice versa.  I should think all crime is bad - regardless of race.

Fourthly, I find it interesting when guys like Gibson criticize the black community at large for "black on black" crime, but then call churches like Obama's church "racist" or "seperatist" when they try to help fix the problem by focusing on helping the black community.

Damn, Open_Mind, you hit it on the nail with that one. I agree with all the points you made.

But you have to understand that conservatives love bringing up black-on-black crime because it asserts the notion that blacks are genetically prone to violence and are culturally barbaric. They use this to convince folks who know little to no black people at all that there's something terribly wrong within the "black community," and the problem is that we listen to our leaders too much, notably Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. (If I hear one more person telling me that I'm a follower of Sharpton and Jackson, and they're MY leaders, I'm going to scream.) It's black-on-black crime when blacks kill each other in certain situations, but do we ever get this same treatment -- bringing out sociologists, psychologists, biologists, etc. -- whenever a yuppie businessman goes on a killing spree or murders his entire family; or a stay-at-home mother drowning her kids or smothering them to death? I don't recall ever hearing or reading such terms as “cultural breakdown” with these few instances. Nor do I remember reading that this is a problem in ALL white communities.

I grew up in the South for the most part of my life, and I've seen racism in all forms. If there's one form of racism I can't stand is the type of racism that's covert, the type of racism that uses code words and signals to get one’s beliefs across. Call me old-fashion, but I like the spit-in-your-face-you’re-a-worthless-n*gger type racism. At least you know where one stands rather than trying to dissect and decode their words and actions. O'Reilly has mastered this form of racism, so has Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity; however, one can make a great case that Gibson has it down so good it can almost be considered self-satire.  

I grew up in the South for the most part of my life, and I've seen racism in all forms. If there's one form of racism I can't stand is the type of racism that's covert, the type of racism that uses code words and signals to get one’s beliefs across. Call me old-fashion, but I like the spit-in-your-face-you’re-a-worthless-n*gger type racism. At least you know where one stands rather than trying to dissect and decode their words and actions. Preston

Amen Amen Amen!

Here's Another Ah-Men ! ....

But for me .... I don't like any form of racism. The spit in you face kind is honest but to me, it is the worst. But both are disgusting.

LETS SEE NOW …

*Blacks killing some Blacks

*Serial Killers of all races

*Bush killing thousands and 4000+ of our own.

*Bush & Republicans killing Healthcare Today for poor children.

Please Be SURE to call your Republican Senators. Ask them to please vote for this bill. If there isn’t enough Republican votes, Bush plans to Veto this Bill for poor Children. -Thank You-

The Grand Dragon Gibson says from under his KKK Hood that we, as a nation don’t have a race problem. I'ts a black on black problem. What a Jerk. Gibson is in outrageous denial. He should be hung from that tree at the school in Jena. I'll go replant it just for that event.

I'm jesting of course.

Preston,

I don't doubt you and your experience. I am sorry that anyone has to be subject to such closed minded bigotry.

I do however take note of your examples. A businessman on a killing spree a mother going nuts and killing her children are fairly rare occurrences for any race.  However the  black-on-black murder rate accounts for more than half the murders while blacks account for  (correct me if I am wrong,)  12 to 14% of the population.  

I'm no fan of Gibson, (I think he's an idiot,) but his crude point is that the priorities of the protesters in Jena seems disproportionate to the events. His argument is there are far greater crimes being perpetrated against blacks by blacks in Philadelphia but we don't see anyone protesting those crimes. 

BTW, I agree with you that one can protest both.  

You are right.  All of those protesters should be in Philadelphia asking for a law against murder.  What are they thinking?

The point I was making is that black-on-black crime is mostly gang violence, and most commentators treat this as some unique phenomenon that happens in all black neighborhoods in America. The stereotypes of black thuggary propagated through the media becomes more influential the more it is used. The role of stereotypes in the conditioning of the masses is categorized as a Stereotype Threat. When a stereotype is propagated by the media for a very long time, the people who have been stereotyped will subconsciously become identified with the propagated stereotype. That's the point I was trying to make. Furthermore, gang violence is nothing new in America, and during Prohibition it was the Italians and the Irish stereotyped as immigrant groups that were prone to violence based on the gang activity in urban neighborhoods during that time. Since those immigrant groups were poor, and turning to crime was one of the only options they had to survive in a dog-eat-dog world, the gang violence in poor black neighborhoods shouldn’t be a surprise, for many blacks have been doomed in poverty in this country for centuries. Whenever there’s deep poverty in areas, it’s inevitable there will be crime, since America always had a caste system where some were born with certain privileges that other groups had to fight in a bloody protest movement just to attain.

The reason why black-on-black crime persist because America has been extremely stubborn in addressing and fixing the aftereffects of, to quote Stephen Steinberg in “The Ethnic Myth,” “...the shameful residue of slavery.”  Blacks have protested and held rallies against gang violence since the late 70s on forward, but without full commitment from the government to fix the systemic issues that keeps many blacks at the bottom -- something that's been well-researched and documented by many sociologists, economists and political scientists in “Whitewashing Race: The Myth of a Color-Blind Society;” "Black Wealth, White Wealth: A New Perspective on Racial Inequality;" "American Apartheid: Segregation and the Making of the Underclass;" and "The Hidden Cost of Being African American: How Wealth Perpetuates Inequality" --  then there will be continuous black-on-black crime.

And if you want to learn more about this Stereotype Threat, you can check out studies by Brown University, University of California Santa Barbara, NC State University and Louisiana State University.     

One of those links didn't work, but here's more from MIAMI UNIVERSITY, MOUNT HOLYOKE COLLEGE Archives, from Kalamazoon College Research: PHD Robert Grossman and Tom Ford PHD of Western Michigan University and UNIVERSITY of ARIZONA

Small world!

I took one of Tom Ford's sociology classes when I went to WMU. Smart guy.

Go Broncos

Onionhead,

Go Chips! (I went to CMU.)  

;-)  

Preston,

Thanks for the links. Wish I had the time to read those studies.  

If I understand you correctly, you (and the references you cite) lay the blame for black-on-black crime on the lack of government programs.  Can you relay what these studies say needs to be done by the government to alleviate the b-on-b  youth  crime?

BTW, I'm not trying to argue with you, just curious as to the solutions proposed.

The idea that people should be "protesting" crime is silly. Protests against thugs and criminals in general are pointless...everyone agrees that murder is wrong, and the law supports that.  Protests against government instutions that harm people under the guise of protecting citizens are very effective.

The Jena 6 protests are about the inherent racism in the system that allows unfair application of the law to punish black teenagers while white teenagers guilty of the same behavior get off practically scot free.  Yes, the Jena 6 are not innocent angels, but neither are the white kids they'd been feuding with.  That is the point.

chicat,

I"m late getting back to this thread. Can you name an instance where the white kids got off scott free?  I've read somewhere that the boy who's case was overturned was charged with kicking another boy in the head while that boy lay unconscious on the ground.  (Please correct me if I am wrong.)

Racism that's overt = bad

Racism that's covert = even worse

Compassionate Conservatism that's neither compassionate or conservatism = terrible for our nation

Hypocrisy instead of Integrity = a virus that has infected most of our rightwing pundits

Talking Points instead of Honest Communication = a disease that infects most Republicans and many Democrats

These hidden agendas and hypocritical actions, mostly by Republicans, are the reason for Media Matters existence. I want honest, professional and principled conservative Republicans to take back our party.

Maple,

Not to be argumentative, but it looks like you've listed a bunch of talking points. :-) 

Ha, that's gonna be SO fun, Preston. :D

Exactly. Even though this hack is indefensible, there is always one or two who'll jump through circles to defend the vilest individuals. This was the case when Gibson's co-host said that disgusting remark about John Edwards and his wife Elizabeth Edwards.

Can any of you please address his point rather than throwing out the race card?  Why is it that blacks aren't marching in droves for black on black crime but are up in arms when black kids beat up a white teenager and get thrown in jail for it?  These 6 aren't innocent angels you know.

Here is an example of black on white hate crime ignored by the MSM and MMFA and liberal/con media - [link to sadbastards.wordpress.com] see the REAL Jena 6 story here - (It was widely reported that Bell, now 17, was an honor student with no prior criminal record. Although he had a high grade-point average, he was, in fact, on probation for at least two counts of battery and a count of criminal damage to property. In any event, his conviction was overturned because an appeals court ruled he should not have been tried as an adult.)

_The six-member jury that convicted Bell was, indeed, all white. However, only one in 10 people in LaSalle Parish is African American, and though black residents were selected randomly by computer and summoned for jury selection, none showed up.

 Dear Betray-us,

The Black Community is not ignoring this problem. Read Preston P.'s comment above (the one with all the links). 

Uh-Oh!

I shouldn't have called you Betray-us.  Please don't make the congress pass a resolution against my comment.  I'll be good; I promise.

Oh, hysterical. You say blacks are killing blacks and media are ignoring this dirty secret. You then have the nerve to tell us about the race card?

Gutless Cowards like Gibson love doing stuff like playing video and then interrupting the people on the video, AS IF Gibson is really asking for more information and the person on tape isn't giving it.  Of course, Gibson might have better luck getting his answers if he actually WENT TO JENA and INTERVIEWED PEOPLE, but he's not going to be doing that- because, as I said, he's a gutless coward who would rather mock the funny black people with their funny, "retro" black protest over their silly "rights" from the warm cocoon of his Fox "News" studio.  What a disgusting excuse for a human being.

Gibson isn't going to Jena anytime soon.  The ratio of black-folks to albinos is way too high.

Oh that was bad. Funny. But bad.

I'd think he would feel right at home!

Oh yeah that was wickedly funny. Gibson and O’rielly I believe are fighting to the death dinosaurs. Young people Black and White and other are moving beyond this non-sense racial non-sense that people like them keep perpetuating. Gibson's statement that these Blacks were killing their own and Bill O’rielly’s statement about Sylvia’s being like any White restaurant despite the fact that it's managed and patronized by AAs reinforces the notion of Blacks as being others, not quite like them and their audience. Those kids that are being murdered in the streets are Americans killed by other Americans. It is a societal problem not simply a Black problem and discrimination wherever it exists is a societal concern. BTW,  the only people I know that use terms like the White Devil and Whitey are right wingers. Sure it started among reactionaries in the sixties but they own now. They keep it alive and well.

MSN maybe feeling a little ripped off. They go though all the work and nobody gets into violent confrontation. Kudos to the organizers and all present.

The effort wore them out so much, it was amazing what they couldn't cover.

It seems Gibson is the one trying to live in the 1950s.

In Gibson's mind, going over to Jena to protest racial injustice also means that you are silent regarding "black on black" crimes.

Gibson i starting to sound like a member of the KKK

The Konservative Kool-aid Klan?

Starting?

Can you please address his point?

If you are referring to Gibson, that has been done several times here, sir.  Please feel free to offer an opinion of your own, that is if it is okay with your boss, sir.

Wow, Yogi, it's deja vu all over again! Relive with us now those bad old days of yesteryear, when Bull Connor unleashed the dogs of law'n'order, Lester Maddox passed out axe handles, and small-town sheriffs in Mississippi advised the press that any racial conflicts they might witness were purely the work of "outside agitators"! The more things change, the more they stay the same. But - I dunno - maybe things have gotten better. In the bad old days, often as not those nooses would have been put to use.

George Wallace, J Edgar Hoover, and now Rush Limbaugh and John Gibson: staunch defenders of all things conservative and traditional. But none of them worthy to shine my shoes, y'all...

What the hell is wrong with Gibson?

Sociopathy.

"What the hell is wrong with Gibson?"

ummmmmmmm.......................he's an idiot? sorry, low hanging fruit.

i find it amusing that mr. gibson is outraged by the reporter's failure to challenge the assertions of the person being interviewed, since no one ever challenges him, when he makes blatantly false comments.

GIBSON: Why didn't that reporter challenge that? Why did he just let them say that?

ANGRY RICH: Political correctness

Funny, just as I started to read this item, I flipped by The O'Reilly Factor.A guest was asked why Achmeninajad(sp., sorry) was allowed to speak at Columbia, and not booed off the stage.

The answer? Political correctness.

Does this way-beyond-hackneyed term still make for a satisfying answer to those who refuse to dig even slightly beneath the surface of any issue?

And just as I was about to hit "post", I stopped by Mr. BilldO's neighborhood again. Missed the topic, but an emailer from the Factor audience remarked that some police officers were "just being too PC".

Does "POlitically incorrect" mean anything but "Brain off" anymore?

I'm no fan of Gibson, (I think he's an idiot,) but his crude point is that the priorities of the protesters in Jena seems disproportionate to the events. His argument is there are far greater crimes being perpetrated against blacks by blacks in Philadelphia but we don't see anyone protesting those crimes.

Did Gibson actually check to see whether there aren't any people rallying against the large crime rate in Philadelphia? I think it's audacious--although very predictable--of him to assume that these people's priorities are out of whack because they aren't doing something in Philadelphia that is at least equal to Jena Six. How does he know they haven't?

Secondly, when someone protests a general crime, what are they protesting against? The act itself? The deviant behavior that motivated it? That seems awfully redundant since it's a given that most people don't like crime. Protests like the in the case of Jena Six are done to publicly and forcefully make your opinions heard in an attempt to influence public opinion or government policy.

Apples and oranges.

John's remarks represent the thinking of Fox News Channel. Like rats, this station is overrun with neocons. 

John and other aging Fox News spokeholes can say anything they want on the air and Roger Ailes doen't blink an eye.

I can tolerate Geraldo, Shephard, and Alan. John, Neil, Bill and Sean can all jump in the Hudson River.

There will be new additions and other changes in Fox News in the coming months. I hope that Bossman Murdock includes John, Neil, Bill and Sean in those changes. These aging neocon hacks need to march out the door.

Here's an interesting article: A BLACK MAN singing the SAME TUNE as Gibson. Come on, MMFA, rip this guy up just like you did Gibson. Sure he didn't use the "black devil" term, but basically he's SAYING THE SAME THING!

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/sayitloud/kane913

Ok, now all you posters who've ripped Gibson to shreds can go on and start ripping this guy apart, too. Call him all the names. Say that he wears a sheet on his head. Come on, say it all, folks. Fair is fair, right?

See if you can bring yourselves to criticize this man the same way you've done Gibson. In our day of equality and justice, we must treat these men as equal for their comments. No preferential treatment because of race, just like Jesse and Al say. Treat the black man the same as you would the white man.

So, come on, let him have it. And if you CAN'T, then how can you claim that you are justified in your criticism of Gibson?

NOW who's the racist?

And from that same story's discussion forum, here's a poster that dares say what NO white man would say for fear of being branded "racist".

People are enraged over Jena 6 but why not our own horrendous acts against each other? I'll tell you why. Jena 6 is easy. You have an obvious overt case of disproportionality against these young men based on race. It's easier to fight race-based oppression because A)the enemy is obvious B)The enemy is not us. We don't have to do anything but point a finger at white racism. Cases like the one in West Palm point back to us. Can we blame the white man for 1/3 of our males under age 30 either on probation, parole, or in prison? Can we blame the white man for the skyrocketing numbers of homicides against black males by black males? Why are our kids underperforming in school? Why are 70% of our kids born to single mothers? The facts are we are the blame for much of this, not all, but we are culpable. The powerful thing is that we have the ability and power to solve these issues if we admit we are part of the problem.Why is that so hard to do? <!--<div class="forum-more"><a href="javascript: doCollapseMessage347583()"><img src="/images/site/forum_more.gif" alt="Collapse message" width="17" height="9" border="0"></a></div>-->

Oh look, the name jacker is back with his "he did it too" diatribe. You can't even come up with an original name, you just use someone else's name. Just like your arguments, you can't form an original opinion, just regurgitate what your master told you.

Oh look, the name jacker is back with his "he did it too" diatribe. Are you also suggesting that I hacked MMFA and stole a username? I merely signed up for bush lies, and I was awarded it.

You can't even come up with an original name, you just use someone else's name. Yeah, that's right. I'm so unoriginal. How come I can't think of brilliantly uniqe names like......Snoopy?

Just like your arguments, you can't form an original opinion, just regurgitate what your master told you. My "master" asked me to regurgitate that he can beat up your master (Charlie Brown, I assume?).

We already have a Bushlies, Bush Lies. Like I said, you can't even come up with an original name, as in a name someone else isn't using. Here, let me refill your koolaid...

Snoop,

Your argument with Bush Lies is off topic and very weak. It is simply an ad hominum attack. Lets move on shall we? What do you think about the content of the quote Bush Lies presented?

As usual, the moonbat launces an unprovoked personal attack in an attempt to smear the wise one, then when he is asked to discuss the issue.....silence.

What's your point?

If your point is that a black man can sound as stupid as Gibson, well, you've proven it. Are you defending what Gibson said? Or are you just putting this out there to say, "Well, this guy said it too, and he's black, so it must be OK." which is of course, a defense. So now 2 wrongs make it right? I don't get what you're getting at.

My point is that Mr. Kane should be treated as an equal. He deserves the same type of response from all of you who have been so critical of Mr. Gibson. I would be upset if you were to treat two people differently because they have different skin color. I'm sure you're above that. So, go ahead and lean into Mr. Kane in the same fashion as you have Mr. Gibson. Social justice, you know.

But if you can't fill the boards with the same kind of hate and animosity that you have extended to Mr. Gibson, then ask yourself "Why? Why do I feel differently about two men voicing the same concern?" Perhaps you're not as colorblind as you'd like to think.

I'll tell you what.  When he gets an hour TV show on Fox News, we'll rip him to shreads. I promise.

But why wait? He made the same argument? I would get ripped to shreds on this message board if I said those things, and I don't have an hour show on Fox News. I don't get it, why the double-standard?

I think you need to read your own link again. The message is no way the same message we get out of Gibson. Gibson's message is that there is no racism, he can't find evidence of what happened in Jena anywhere else, and this is just another situation where blacks are trying to play the race card again. Nothing near to what you posted.

Snoop,

I believe he has also created another persona, see the last post below.

OMG, multiple personalities? We're going to have to engage him 2 times now?

Gibson's message is that there is no racism,

Go back and read the MMFA article. Gibson's message is that the folks who are loading on to buses to go to La. think that

slavery still exists and that segregation still exists across the country; that there are -- being told there are schools where principals allow white students to segregate themselves from black and won't let the black students sit under their tree.

Gibson's message is the SAME as Kane's. There are MUCH bigger problems in the black community that warrant piling on to buses to stage a protest than this juvenile issue of cruel high school kids being cruel high school kids, just like there has always been.

Yet, Gibson is branded a "racist" for bringing this up. BTW, folks, the attempted murder charge was dropped! Does anyone realize this?

You really can't see the difference, can you? You should take off your rush colored glasses, name jacker. The article you posted is far more articulated and thoughtful in it's presentation than Gibson can ever be. Gibson's throwing out stereotypes. Segregation? What a joke, he believes AA's boarding the bus believe segregation is the issue when they are clearly calling for racial justice?

The murder charges should have been dropped, it was a school yard brawl, not an attempted murder. And considering the group of white kids that did the same thing weren't even charged, I'd say you clearly don't have a firm grasp on the entire story.

wah-waah waah, wa wa waah wa. The teacher from peanuts speaks gibberish again.

Did you even read the article you posted? They are in NO WAY even remotely close in their commentary. I suggest you go back, and read it again. And nowhere in here did I personally rip into Gibson myself, although for this, and many other things he's done and said he deserves it.

Why aren't you ripping into Gibson? Do you think Gibson was right in what he said or are you going to continue playing games of "he said it too." even though in this case, he clearly did not.

Obviously, Gibson and his producer have never been poor black men living in a still racist South, or else, they might not talk like this. I, meanwhile, am not a poor black man living in the South, I am a middle class white guy living in the South, but I still see all of the racism around me. I see it almost every single day where I work, and where I live. It's actually quite easy to see if you just look a little. As others have said, I think Preston, it's no longer the overt racism of the past, but more of the underlying, covert variety.

Also, in listening to some folks speak about Jena lately, nowhere in anyone's comments did I hear them say that the 6 kids who were arrested for this fight should not be punished for what happened. Nowhere did anyone say that they should go free. But what they want is equal justice for the black kids, as they white kids. This is where the uproar is all about. You have a group of white kids who jumped a black kid, and none of them were arrested. You have a group of black kids who jumped a white kid who went to the hospital later on, was released, and was at a party that night, and you have some of those kids arrested and charged with attempted murder? Are you kidding me?

One question:  Is he gonna get away with this?

Black Devils? Has Gibson been reading his Mandingo collection again?

I don't know why that guy didn't answer the question when you asked where is this going on? I can tell you right here in Michigan. Birmingham, Oakpark, and rochester. There are many more places look at the girl that was torched in Virginia. 

I have a comment. The reason that so many have went down to Jena is not because we are saying that Mychal Bell was right in what he did we are just asking for a fair punishment. Some people say that nooses are not really a hate crime but it is. How would white people feel if they hung nooses with white faces and wrote on the chest THIS IS 2007 BITCH! So many people would rally together to figure out who did this and what type of punishment they are going to get.

I do think some people forget that there was a victim here. To him " I personally apologize for my people doing what they did to you". I also hope you did not provoke them by calling them racial names. Not saying that if you did that what they did was right but just to say that there is no one no where that would just allow that. Even my boss could not say racial thing to me and I just allow it. So just think back to these 16 year old kids where they would probably fight you for breaking their pencil.

And it's funny that people still think of places like Baltimore as all black take a walk down those streets and see. You will learn something.

And it's not called snitchin if you go fight your own people. It's time out for us fighting our own, It's time for us to stand together as we did in peace and fight for our rights.

That was a very nice comment and appology. I mostly agree with you.

However ... I believe all the kids in this nation are the real victims. Not the one white kid in Jena you appologized to.

- Victims of very poor parenting -

Now if you traveled down to Jena La. to appologize to that one white kid, I will venture to say he might not even give you the time of day. He may shot you the bird.

Hopefully though, I am wrong, but that's been my experience. I grew up in Texas where at one time I was a very Conservative Racist. I've turned full circle from that many years ago.

I'm sending KKK hoods to Gibson and his supporters commenting here at Media Matters. I'm Kidding.

-Thank You-

As usual, the progressive (socialist) lefties on this site rely on name calling, playing the KKK card, etc. to avoid addressing the specific points made by Gibson. It is a fact that most inner city homicide victims are black men who have been murdered by black men. Part of the blame may lie with poverty, drugs, gangs, broken families,or other plights, but the fact remains that black men overwhelmingly murder black men. To blame whites for the crimes committed by blacks is simply ignoring the facts and relishing victimhood. This has been the game plan of the progressive (socialist) Democrat (Marxist) party for years on race issues. Individual responsibility is never addressed, only government intervention to right the wrongs of institutional racism, blah, blah,.... barf. This is why the second posting in this thread plays the KKK card, the typical juvenile response to remain in denial of the facts. Having worked in a maximum security prison for 10 years, I have personally observed the large majority of incarcerated black men blame racism for the circumstances they find themselves in. This, in my opinion, is the victim mentality that has been ingrained in them from an early age. I do not deny that white racism exists, or that it may have affected some blacks before turning to crime, but to ignore individual responsibility and lay all blame on racism, is utter absurdity. Progressive (socialist) ideology encourages victimhood- not to empower the black community, but to make the black community more reliant on government.

blah, blah, blah, socialist. blah, blah, blah, marxist. blah, blah, blah, race card. blah, blah, blah, victim mentality.

Welcome to the website, rush.

Thank you for that synopsis.  It was actually more enjoyable and cogent than reading the real thing.

Socialist, Marxist...victims...etc.

So, it's cool to call people names in your book, just don't call those with whom you agree names. Right?

BTW, that to ignore individual responsibility and lay all blame on racism, was a beautiful strawman.

Must be kind of like the people who play the socialist/Marxist card while ignoring the issue of unequal justice.

John Gibson,

Get out of the 'Green Zone' in New York City and Washington, DC and experience the rest of the country. 

I just, right this moment, became aware of this site. I listened to the audio clip as well as read the comments by Gibson and Angry Rich. There's an old adage that says "The Truth Hurts." This is such an example inasmuch, as what these two men say about black on black crime, especially black on black murder, is a fact. As a man of color it saddens me that this fact, to the best of my knowledge, is true. Additional, being born in 1957 North Carolina exposed me to segregated schools, other separate accommodations, and the Jim Crow laws. Like many of my peers I was raised with a strong spiritual foundation. As such we were receptive to the scripture that taught us the "Golden Rule," or to treat others the way we would like them to treat us. It was so confusing because it was difficult to see a real life application of this. I remember asking how some people could say they loved God, yet hated people not like them? I was never able to get an answer that satisfied my need to know. Recently I was involved in a situation in which I was fortunate to finally get a answer I could understand. This situation, coincidentally, was about black on black crime and the discussion centered on me and a group of young black men. I was trying to help them see how foolish it was to have hate and envy over land (Turf) that belonged to none of them. It was then I had what I believe was an epiphany. It was a literal voice spoken to me in the spirit. Simply put the voice said "The reason these people can treat others in such a inhuman way, is because they've already had these things done to them." I understood immediately as it was finally crystal clear. They were treating others the way they were treated (inhumanly). This way was all they ever knew and experienced.

 As this is my first comment I'll not go any further as I've already said quite a bit. I do, however, have other comments that go more to the genesis of the mindset of those who allow and perpetuate situations like the Jenna 6.