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Posted by cranberyjlj

He has made remarks in the past that were despicable.........this is just one of many.

Since Dan Abrams is the head of the News Dept. complaining won't do any good.  He was a willing participant in the "good old boy us against the terrible gay people in the bathrooms" wink, wink, remarks!

Posted by venicebchguy

While anyone (regardless of gender) does not appreciate being approached for unwarranted sex - it says so much more about someone who feels the need to go back and "rough someone up". If you're not interested - a simply "no - I'm not interested" and move on - instead of the need to defend your sexuality with violence. Tucker Carlson and Dan Abrahms laughing about his violent behavior is really sad. I will no longer watch Dan Abrahms show.

Posted by raskuache6130 in reply to venicebchguy

this is sexual assault!  What part of NO do you not understand?  We tell men that No is No and consider it RAPE when men are agressive, why a double standard for gays?  This is absolutely an outrage!

Posted by jain47 in reply to raskuache6130

The victim should come forward and sue Tucker and the station for assault and a hate crime.

Posted by steve expat in reply to venicebchguy

The event, as Tucker describes it (both versions), never happened.  This is just high school, gay-bash, trash talking bravado.  If it actually happened, then he should be able to tell us when and where and there should be a police report of the incident.  There won't be one.

Posted by annspot7283 in reply to venicebchguy

Yes, it's all very sad.  I quit watching any of the bozos on MSNBC (except for Olbermann) a few months back.  I couldn't BELIEVE they made Abrams head of the news division, which is when I washed my hands of all of them. CNN is just as bad.  I discovered Amy Goodman, and pretty much stick to her broadcasts for news.  The information is pretty much the same, but the attitude is much better!

Posted by calvincito

Personally I think he was lying.

Posted by thomemitch

This has been tying my stomach in knots for the past 2 days, its got me so upset.  I have a few questions I'd like Tucker to answer, and I emailed him directly to him.  Fat chance I'll ever get a response, but thought I'd post them here as well.  Maybe if he gets asked enough, he'll clarify this even further.

from my email:

1.  After you left the bathroom, why did you seek out your friend?  Wouldn't it have been more effective to seek out the security guard immediately, thus increasing the chances of catching your "attacker"?2.  What was your conversation with your friend once you found him?  I'm sure as the "least anti-gay right-winger you'll ever meet", you didn't use any common slang or profanity used to describe a homosexual.  High school boys never use words like that.  As a gay man who was also in High School in the mid-80's, I can certainly assure you of that.3.  Originally, you described "Hit(ting) him against the stall with his head, actually!"  Does this mean you and/or your friend were in the stall with him at the time?  If so, how did you get inside?  Did you know some secret signal he gave, or did you just barge in?Or did you lure him out of the stall and have your friend jump him?4.  Your clarification states "My friend and I seized the man and held him until a security guard arrived."Did anyone assist you in finding the security guard? Did one of you hold him while the other went and found the security guard? Or did the security guard respond to a call of a bloody and unconscious man in the bathroom?

Posted by Computer in reply to thomemitch

All good questions, but I have just one for you.

How could the police respond to the call of an "unconscious man"?  :)

 

Posted by jazzpotato

I've always cut Carlson some slack until now, disagreeing with him, but respecting his apparent intelligence. I'm deeply disappointed in his macho-idiot remarks. I think he has demonstrated that he really has a personal issue with homophobia.

Posted by cwilcox007

I dont' get how that was supposed to be funny.  My first reaction was that little Tucker should experience some of the same in kind but that wouldn't be right.  After I email MSNBC about my offense at such commentary I will contact my Representative and Senator to tell them it is time to pass meaningful hate crimes legislation to protect GLBT Americans.

Posted by ot

Tucker is a tired SLANT head who sleeps with the Republican party.  He is another Republican Nazi that makes excuses for his party. A republican can do no wrong for Tucker.  His ratings and show is tired and I wonder why MSNBC would continue to keep him when they have other Republican slant heads that spew the same crap.  Fox already has the market in crap, why does MSNBC need to join the crap market.  

Posted by valreader9347

Since when is using violence acceptable? It would be just as simple to have said "Not interested" or even "Leave me alone". It shows a person's lack of communication skills and common sense to use violence instead of your brain to solve a problem. I doubt that  Mr. Tucker or his guests would have found it equally acceptable for a woman to beat their heads against a wall if they made an unwanted advance towards her when she could just as easily say she wasn't interested.

Posted by Computer in reply to valreader9347

Of course, wouldn't it be different if the "woman" was a high school girl and the man who made the "advance" (read, grabbed her) did it inside the women's bathroom?  That's what happened to Tucker.  I'm no Tucker Carlson fan, but mmfa is just trying to bully him out of his job.  Comparing this to the Imus thing is just insane.

Posted by sundog in reply to Computer

No Wagner, it wouldn't be different if the woman, instead of reporting the unwanted advance returned to the bathroom with a friend and bashed the guys head into a door.  And you can't erase the gender/sexual orientation issue here anyway.  Carlson's own party is crowded with people who consider gay people to all be perverts.  Gay people are often attacked simply for being gay.  While you can excuse this as they were laughing at the bashing of a pedophile, the obvious truth was that the homosexual aspect of it was what was supposed to be funny.  Trying to deny that is ignoring the society we're in and the world Carlson's own party tries to enforce.  In other words, it's baloney. 

Posted by vankbrock

So, the KKK is STILL alive and well on MSNBC. There are moments when I do not feel this way, but those moments do not include the times that Grand Dragon Tucker Carlson and Grand Dragon Scarborough are on. They are always repulsively nauseating. But that is MSNBC, I guess.

So go ahead, and I hope someone sues you for millions the next time a rabid gay bashers gets lose on the streets of Georgetown or in the outback of Texas. You will deserve it.

Posted by mwashburn5788

I have trusted MSNBC as ethical and unbiased news information. This business of what Tucker Carlson said yesterday needs to be addressed immediately...Promoting violence and intolerance cannot and should not be tolerated by your organization or anyone else.

Posted by temphandle_47337

I have long been bothered by MSNBC and their choice of programming. As a gay man I am very offended by this cruel Mr. Carlson who thinks it is funny and shows his manliness to beat on gay men. Bullcrap he's not anti-gay.What was he so incredibly threatened about that he had to GO BACK with a friend to mess with that man? While I do not condone anyone trolling for sex with men/women who aren't into it, it says volumes that this pathetic coward Tucker returned there (with reinforcements) to physically assault the man who bothered him.

It's been my experience over the years that the most vehemently negative reactions towards gay men come from closet queens.

Just sayin'.

Posted by CaliforniaPeach

Physical advances that are unwanted are never fun. But there is NEVER a reason to physically hurt a person just because they (God forbid!) find you attractive and say so. Now, if a man came up and slapped my ass or attempted to grab my breast I would feel the right to slap him or use physical force (if he continued the assault) and tell him to get the hell away from me, along with most likely call the cops. Molestation should not be tolerated. Nor should lewd behavior be tolerated in the restroom of an airport, but after reading the report that the officer submitted after the arrest, I am sure that he acted most professionally. As for what Carlson said, he is obviously a juvenile individual who should be pitied and removed from the public spotlight. That, and I think he should then be forced to uphold his views, and perhaps tell the next hot woman who hits on him to get the hell from him or else he'll beat her up. Double standard anyone? 

TUCKER CARLSON IS ALREADY SICKENING ENOUGH BUT WHEN HE STARTS TO CONDONE VIOLENCE AGAINST ANYONE HE SHOULD BE  REMOVED FROM THE AIR.  I KNOW THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE WATCH OR LISTEN TO HIM BUT WHEN HE BECOMES A THREAT TO SOCIETY IT IS TIME FOR THE LAW OR SOMEONE IN AUTHORITY TO STEP IN AND DO SOMETHING.   SO MANY PEOPLE WONDER WHAT ON EARTH THIS CREEPY LITTLE  CHARACTER WITH THE HIGH SCREECHY ANNOYING VOICE IS DOING ON TV ANYWAY.  HE IS OBVIOUSLY A FANATICAL LITTLE NUTCASE.

Posted by JessWonderin

Carlson continually astonds me with his lame comments and general lapdog Republican lacky attidude - He was a joke with the BOW TIE and now he spouts hate and ingnorance as a "cool guy" - NOT!!! Time to end his lame hate mongering Limbaugh Lite.

  . . . his "gay bashiing story" sounds like jock talk about "the time I went behind the bleacher with the Cheerleader . . ." an other all hat and no cattle wimp.

Posted by shunt

Oh give me  a freakin' break.  You guys are being BABIES on this one.

Posted by joseph_b26

External Conflict: "Am I GayOr Am I Not Gay?"

While anyone (regardless of gender) does not appreciate being approached for unwarranted sex - it says so much more about someone who feels the need to go back and "rough someone up". If you're not interested - a simply "no - I'm not interested" and move on - instead of the need to defend your sexuality with violence. Tucker Carlson and Dan Abrahms laughing about his violent behavior is really sad. I will no longer watch Dan Abrahms show. venicebchguy

 

I think every human being is faced with the question which is their sexual preference at a point in their life. It is usually a silent process no one knows about. It is not talked about out loud. It is considered; a choice is made; we go about our lives. The point is it is private and personal.

What happens when the consideration noted above is done outwardly? Tucker Carlson's claim to bring a friend back to the restroom for a "fight" was nothing more than and external battle of a conflicting nature. In front of god, his buddies, and the rest of the world, Carlson told how he outwardly worked out his conflict of whether he was gay or not. Very dysfunctional and telling indeed.

 

Joseph 

Posted by baretoesangel8479

Re: Discussion Tuesday night on MSNBC Live with Dan Abrams about Sen. Larry Craig's (R-ID) arrest for "lewd conduct

Mr. Abrams and Mr. Scarborough's reaction to Mr. Carlson's violent behavior is absolutely unacceptable. What is wrong with these people to laugh when someone talks about hurting someone else as appropriate behavior. I abhor Sen. Craig's behavior! I also abhor Mr. Carlson/Abrams/Scarborough and everyone else's behavior by suggesting that physical violence is the answer.

 

Posted by mapletootie

I've been reading this site for a couple of days, since the news of Senator Larry Craig broke.

I am a longterm Republican, and proud of my stances on social and fiscal issues, but I am fed up to my eyeballs with the last decade of Republican rule here in the good ole USA. I am also disappointed with many of the posters here who supposedly are Republican or Conservative. True R/C's would be frustrated and appalled just like I am with the way that Bush et al has damaged our country.

I'm also the parent of a gay son, and what Carlson said that he did to a criminal, took justice into his own hands rather than relying on the police and our judicial system, is wrong too.

Posted by BLR in reply to mapletootie

Welcome to the site, Maple, and I sincerely hope you stay!

Posted by sundog in reply to mapletootie

Hello Maple, how do you reconcile supporting Republican 'social issues' with supporting your gay son?  Do you not believe he has the same right to marriage and a family as you and I?  I know this is a blunt question and pardon me for that.  But in light of how extreme and corrupt the current leaders are, I'm confused by obviously reasonable people who still identify themselves as Republican. 

Posted by mapletootie in reply to sundog

The "right" stance on human sexuality is to allow families to prosper in any way possible.

The "Christian" stance on human sexuality is to be welcoming to all. Jesus didn't exclude people. Well, he only hounded people who were hypocrites I guess. That would be the Tom DeLay's and the Larry Craig's of the world.

The government should only get involved when they can help, and they have no business getting too involved in people's individual decisions. There was a Log Cabin Republican on one of the TV shows tonight, and just like he said, there is no incompatibility between making a choice to express the sexuality that God gave you and holding to Republican values.

A real Republican issue is limited government. That includes, for me, not taking over roles that are supposed to be handled by the states, like education. Even if some states don't care as much about educating their students, I think there's way too much involvement by the Feds, and Bush took it way too far with his NCLB, which made things worse. I believe in personal responsibility and individual liberty. Too many Republicans have corrupted that in ways that I never imagined they could. Individual liberty means allowing women to choose to have an abortion. Me, I'd never do that, but I don't have the right to force people to be parents or to not be parents. I believe in lowered taxes too. Contrary to the way the Republicans have ruled the roost in the last 10 years, they blew the budget surplus and gave us 10 times as many earmarks as the Democrats did.

Lastly, I believe in respecting others. That means I'd never call it the Democrat Party. It hurts my ears to hear that, and it does nothing to help my cause in a fair way. Too many Republicans nowadays in positions of authority are trying to deceive and demean to keep their power, and if that's not anti-family values, I don't know what is.

A long answer to a short question, but my dander is up. 

Posted by rpmcestmoi1403

Tucker Carlson is a preppie piece of dirt. He is elitist, not very bright, kind of glib, and a terrible human being. Other than that, I have not much more to recommend him to replace Mr. Gonzales.

Posted by ajkingsbury5736

Actually,  ask a person who has volunteered as a  caretaker for AIDS organizations (Chicken Soup Brigade -Seattle)-during which I had only gay male clients; as a man who has had many close gay friends, both male and female,  I am somewhat sympathetic to Tucker Carlson's feelings.  I have tried to sit in some parks, enjoy the sun, and read.  I have been chased to my car from public bathrooms with the offer of "massages".  I feel I have a right to sit in a park, or use a bathroom ,  without being agressively offered sex.   Some people just don't get that "no" means "no", that I have a right to enjoy public facilities without being creeped-out,  that it is not OK -and in fact is medically dangerous these days -  to engage in that kind of behavior.  The fact is, some people have manners so bad, that they deserve a punch in the nose.  

Yes,  I feel that way -not because I was raised that way,  but because I am tired of being harrassed. 

Posted by sundog in reply to ajkingsbury5736

AJ, it's not that anyone couldn't sympathize with a highschool kid getting hit on in a bathroom.  And if any part of his story is true, that guy deserved to be busted.  The problem was that this wasn't treated as anything serious.  He's telling this story while everyone snickers and guffaws about it.  Which part of it was funny exactly?  The kid getting 'bothered' in a bathroom or the kid coming back with a friend and smashing the guys head into a door.  And grabbed him by the what exactly?  Did anyone else notice that it seemed Carlson was implying that he grabbed the guy by the genitals?  Is that the part that was supposed to be funny?  This sounded a lot like the gay-bashing bravado familiar to many of us from highschool.  Because some gay men (just as straight men) are way too aggressive in their advances doesn't excuse the offensiveness of this story and the way it has been handled. 

Posted by cowboyneok

It is time for ALL REPUBLICANS who act this way to PROVE they aren't other "MSM" or "men who have sex with men."  Their projecting hate towards and obsession with gay men is the type of behavior one would expect of someone who is trying to bury their shame.  Tucker Carlson, WHAT are you hiding?

 

Posted by allummette

Carlson is a worthless opinionator spouting his narrow republican white man tunnel vision view. Whenever he is on, I immediately turn the channel. He should be replaced immediately with someone who has crediability such as David Shuster and while they are at it, give Scarborough and Buchanan the boot too. Aren't we tired of all these hacks who lie and misrepresent anyone who is not in the Republiecan domain? Thank goodness for Keith Olbermann.

Posted by jcough1074722 in reply to allummette

Alummette, I agree with you ,  Keith is the only one worth listening to. Pat Buchanan will try to justify anything,he has nothing worthwhille to say. He has a whole list of books he wrote endorsed by the right wing rag," The Truth at Last" . The KKK lives in this country supported by people like him.

Posted by gnosys

This is ridiculous.  I don't condone violence, but if you're physically assaulted there's nothing wrong with subduing your attacker and holding him for the authorities.  And this has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with sexual orientation.  In fact, if it had been a woman who had been assaulted by a man, the urge to do violence to the attacker would have been much greater.  There are plenty of cases of unprovoked violence against gays and lesbians to take action against, without making an issue over someone relating a 20-year-old anecdote involving a sexual predator.  Moreover, it doesn't make sense to single out Tucker Carlson, one of the few voices on the right supporting same-sex marriage.  (By the way, it's true that the laughter was inappropriate.  There's nothing funny about a minor being the victim of an attempted sexual assault.)

Posted by hajomi6925

correction to the term "sexual assault" a proposition is not an assault. Carlson is a dick head and so are those other two big mouths whos' names I wouldn't bother to learn. I'm  happy that when I cancelled most of my cable service, I lost access to these trash channels and don't miss them at all. I hope their days(on TV) are numbered.

...it is also time for us to reassess once again...

......just how much 'media' really does 'matter'....

........lest we be 'conding the violence' which broke out at VA Tech....

...........and now just yesterday produces a report exposing a scandal of....

..............surreal dimensions.

It's called: in loco parentis. And it's also called: kidnapping of a mentally challenged individual, comittment and treatment with psychopharmaceuticals without informing the guardian and next of kin much else gathering their consent.

It's also called removal/destruction of state's examiner's medical reports evidence/ and obstruction of justice.

And it's called, by the way: Illegal Sale of ...not just one handgun, but two, in two months.

...You don't have to be a Michael Savage to tell there is just something not quite on the level at Mediamatters.org More fluff, let's have more debate about what 'metrosexual' could possibly be insinuating.

Posted by cedonn

Why are these guys on your network? Is this talk radio?

Posted by oliverpenn

I suppose Tucker couldn't handle the "perp" on his own.  He had to go and get his "boyz."  A polite "no, not interested" would have sufficed.  He seems to have found it necessary to "prove" his masculinity.  Even he knew/knows that this is commonplace in men's rooms all over the world. 

It's rather disgusting, but it's a known risk in public johns.  And, hetero men are not all that "innocent."  Thousands of them partake in this activity and always have.  It's their "dirty little secret" with gay men.

Posted by oliverpenn

With men so turned on by "the lesbian myth" that porn has created,  I wonder if a woman had come on to a female news reporter in the ladies' room, would hetero males think it was "disgusting" or "...mmmm Sexy!!!!!"? They'd probably ask the reporter, "why didn't you pick her up?"

To straight men, "gay" is okay, just as long as gay men are not involved.

 

Posted by shag11

 Carlson is an asshole, period.

Posted by meahbottoms

Tucker is lying once again to show us what a big man he is letting a gay guy have it. But he is just a little weasel. Unfortunately he will always be a weasel, no matter what he does to himself or how old he gets. Show us the police report Tucker. No? You can't? What a surprise.

Posted by Egirl

'conding the violence'    Is this supposed to be 'condoning the violence'?

Also, it was a proposition, not an assault and a loud, NO THANK YOU, would have sufficed. I guess it's okay then for women who are approached with unwanted advances to 'go Carlson' on somebody now?

Posted by astroboy1089147

Tucker Carlson mentioned being propositioned in a public restroom when he was a high school student, off the cuff, and moved on.

Dan and Joe wanted details, and pressed Tucker to elaborate.

This is the turning point where all three reverted back to being teenagers and they're sophmoric synapses began sparking.

Dan and Joe pictured in their minds the baby-faced teenage Tucker in a public restroom, hapless and helpless, attempting to ward off another male's sexual advances.

This image is amusing to Joe and Dan and they press for more details.

They laugh and tease Tucker and goad him into a "macho pose", which again, they find very amusing.

They know Tucker is posing and they really don't believe his story of "knocking the guy's head against the stall", and that's what they are laughing at - Tucker's attempt to paint himself as masculine - NOT that he supposedly "bashed a gay guy".

Joe, Dan and Tucker.  Grow up.  And some on this blog too.

 

Posted by jain47

The victim should come forward and sue Tucker and the TV station!  This is assault and a hate crime.

Posted by damoch

This is the first I've heard about this "Carlson" incident.  Why?  Because Tucker is himself, a laugh and I seldom catch his commentary.  He has shown his bigotry from day one he's been on the air.  Subtlety at times and blatant at other times, which is why I cut him off right after "Hardball w/ Chris Matthews and come back for Kieth Olbermann.  I'm a veteran.  I can't imagine Carlson confronting anyone physically, under any circumstances.  He appears to me to be the typical "Momma's boy".  I have been approached by gays in the past and there has never been a problem with simply declining and even stating to the person that neither am I homophobic.  Which is the definition I attribute to Carlson, Abrams and Scarborough.  That is, of course their personal issues they alone must confront.  As a life long student of psychology it could be suggested these gentlemen may have deeper issues concerning their own sexulaty.  MSNBC is, however, a corporate entity and has a higher responsibility to the public that supports the station by our (the publics') perception of the worthiness of the networks' support, by us (the viewing public).  I, for one would have no problem boycotting these commentators' and their sponsors because of their recent juvenile and homophobic behavior.  Be conservative all you like but each of you could probably benefit by growing up and possibly taking a closer look at your own repressed sexulaty (me thinks thou dost protest too much).

Posted by lou_bos7288

Any time a major media outlet sanctions violence They show their bigotted agenders. These broadcasters  should be treated like any other hate mongers and be fired.