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CNN's Henry uncritically aired Bush's claim that "violence has sharply decreased in Baghdad"
Summary: In airing President Bush's assertion that "[s]ectarian violence has sharply decreased in Baghdad. The momentum is now on our side," CNN's Ed Henry gave no indication that he attempted to verify Bush's assertion. By contrast, recent articles by the Associated Press and McClatchy Newspapers have challenged claims about decreases in violence in Iraq.
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Posted by mefirst
then we can leave, because bush said this was only a "temporary surge".
Posted Wednesday August 29, 2007 6:45:38 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by nativeofsf in reply to mefirst
Is that like a bowel obstruction?
Posted Thursday August 30, 2007 2:42:54 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by nerzog
How long before Rush Limbaugh assures us that the death rate in Baghdad is no worse than any major American city...?
Posted Wednesday August 29, 2007 6:57:27 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by cann0nba11 in reply to nerzog
Even if Rush did start citing statistics they would pale in comparison to some other scarier numbers. More people were killed in America by illegal aliens in 2006 than our soldier death toll in Iraq.
- In 2006, twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens (4,380 in 2006).
- Thirteen Americans were killed every day by drunk illegal alien drivers (4,745 in 2006)
- Eight American children were victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day (2,920 in 2006)
But we never hear about this because we don't want to offend anyone. Where's the outrage about this?Posted Wednesday August 29, 2007 8:17:58 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by jawill11 in reply to cann0nba11
Ladies and Gentlemen:
The quintessential strawman!
Just for the record, those 4,300 murders made up 0.00146% of the population of the U.S. in 2006. On the other hand, the 950 killed in Iraq made up 0.86% of U.S. forces in the country, nearly 600 times your big stat.
Posted Wednesday August 29, 2007 9:44:54 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by funnymanpants in reply to cann0nba11
That's a strawman argument, as the previous poster pointed out. Moreover, you completely omitted the deaths of Iraqis (You know, the people we are supposed to be saving--bringing democracy to), who are being killed in horific numbers. The violence is up in Iraq, not down, which shows the surge is note working.
Posted Thursday August 30, 2007 12:31:41 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by pearlene_scott1602 in reply to cann0nba11
The momentum is now on our side,"
Yeah, not according to this
"Strikingly Negative" Iraq Report Leaked To Preempt White House Doctoring
Posted Thursday August 30, 2007 5:09:41 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by monknj80 in reply to pearlene_scott1602
Just caught that this morning. IT's going to be fun watching them explain away the differences in the two reports.
Watch'em squirm.
Posted Thursday August 30, 2007 9:08:51 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by magnolialover in reply to cann0nba11
Where'd you pull those numbers from? Probably from World Net Daily I'm sure. I highly doubt those numbers on any level, and your argument, well, means nothing. More people are killed by slipping and falling in their bathtub than they are by terrorists in the US every year, but that doesn't prevent us from our government using them as a boogeyman (let me just state, my argument, also a strawman, just showing 2 can play at the same game).
Posted Thursday August 30, 2007 9:06:59 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by magnolialover in reply to cann0nba11
Even though I doubt the numbers you post, let's post the REST of the numbers that are actually real:
2006 Values:
93934 rapes reported in the US (probably many more go un-reported as get reported). Where is your outrage about this? By your own assertion are you only outraged about possible illegal immigrants raping people or are you concerned about rape altogether? Again, where is your outrage over the 91000 other rapes you didn't quote?
16692 murders reported in the US for 2006 or recorded I should say. Are you trying to tell me that a full 25% of murders are committed by illegal aliens? That's not even statistically possible considering that amount of the population that they comprise in the US. They are NOT 25% of our entire population. Your numbers are not valid. And again, where is your outrage over the other 12000 murders in the US not carried out by illegal aliens, if your numbers are correct?
Drunk driving deaths US total in 2006 were 13470 people. Again, you're saying that out of a possible population of 4% (estimated illegals in the US) that they are involved in a whopping 35% of the drunk driving deaths that happen in the US? Again, it is virtually statistically impossible for this to happen. Where is your outrage, if your numbers are correct, about the other 9000+ drunk driving deaths not involving an illegal (if your numbers are correct, which they're not)?
Your whole argument is a xenophobic racist tirade against illegal immigrants/aliens. That is what your whole post was about. The statistics don't show that your numbers are even remotely correct, or that they could be correct, but keep trying to scare people into thinking that illegal immigrants are going to run you off the road, kill you in your bed while you sleep, and molest your children. This has heppened time after time when a new immigrant populations comes to the US over the entire course of our history. It happened with the Italians, happened with the Irish, happened when we moved the Indians to the reservations, and so on and so forth. You are putting out the same old tired, and un-true arguments that nativists and racists have been using since there WAS a United Staes, just with different twists. Get over it.
Posted Thursday August 30, 2007 9:28:34 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by sundog in reply to cann0nba11
Illegal aliens?!? Oh my, that does sound scary. Do they look and sound different than me? Oh dear oh dear. Something must be done. America is after all for Americans. Just like your ancestors. Keeping this country Pure, that's what made us great. Thank God we stopped all those Irish and Germans and Italians from polluting our shores with their alienness. Yucky.
Posted Thursday August 30, 2007 12:41:00 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by open_mind
This looks to be a variation on the perennial "The Iraq Insurgency is in its Last Throes" speech.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aQEMxYf9b5w
Posted Wednesday August 29, 2007 7:33:54 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by ellington
Is it too much to ask CNN to actually take a look at Bush's claims and see if they have a basis in reality? Is it too much to mention reports that contradict Bush?
CNN "truth-squaded" Michael Moore with far more vigor than they have ever attempted to verify Bush's claims.
Posted Wednesday August 29, 2007 7:35:44 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by snoopy
God, he looks constipated in that picture!
Posted Wednesday August 29, 2007 8:44:41 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Easy to refute wingnuts in reply to snoopy
Well, he's been full of it for a long time...
Posted Thursday August 30, 2007 4:37:07 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by jeter2
"The momentum is now on our side. The surge is seizing the initiative from the enemy and handing it to the Iraqi people." GWB
Yup everything is hunky-dory. Coming up roses. So let's stay the course & all that crap.
Bush. Like a rock. Only dumber.
Posted Wednesday August 29, 2007 10:27:55 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by nativeofsf in reply to jeter2
Now that's a bowel osbstruction!
Posted Thursday August 30, 2007 2:45:52 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by hcoppola
Mr. Bush continues to claim success in Iraq as well as in New Orleans in spite of and contrary to all of the available reporting.
Lying to the American public is what the Bush Administration does best and will continue to do until they leave office
http://coppolacomments.blogspot.com/
Posted Thursday August 30, 2007 11:06:24 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by dave_chicago
Henry: "Mr. Bush, of course, gets to shape that September report. But he has two major challenges that lie ahead."
Three-- if we could only count on correspondents like Henry to verify Bush's claims.
Posted Thursday August 30, 2007 12:11:49 PM EDT / Flag this comment