But, he never admitted anything...I guess torture doesn't work, after all.

I do not get the point of this? Because she compared how he was treated to "Waterboarding" that is wrong? What if she just said it was like torture? This seems nitpicking.

He, he, the fact that Gonzales wrote or helped write the torture memos makes it pretty rich if nothing else. Ooooh, I feel so sorry for Fredo.

I was thinking the same thing. Why would Gonzales be upstet he certainly approves of waterboarding.

I think the problem is the portrayal of Gonzo as a victim in the hands of the Grand Inquisitors.

'Zactly... give me a break. 

I agree.  It was not as if Congress was just making stuff up in order to victimize Gonzo.  Gonzo is the victim of his own tragic flaws.  It would be nice if he or the president could step up and admit that.

Yes JLyon, she probably should have just said "torture" because MMFA seems to be objecting to the use of the term "waterboarding" on the grounds that they obviously think Americans are so incredibly stupid they might think that Congress actually bound Gonzo to an inclined board, with his feet raised and his head slightly below his feet, wrapped him in Cellophane and poured water over him.

J2, that sounds so sexy. Can I waterboard ya for a spell?  ;-)

Um Julia, maybe we better go get a room before everyone here tells us to go get a room ;-)

They might offer to hose us down like before. You'd like that even better since you're into the water and such (ala Fredo).  :-)

Come on. What's the objection? It's absurd that they would pull this 'poor-Gonzales' switcheroo... The guy's a creep and a crook.

Greek, I don't think Gonzo deserves an ounce of sympathy, BUT I found it amusing that MMFA actually left the definition of waterboarding here like they felt a disclaimer was needed for a metaphor used by a journalist. I mean, come on that's funny.

Obviously Gonzo wasn't tortured, by waterboarding or any other method.

Well... I guess that's MMFA's way of appearing official? I don't know... you're right. Kinda goofy.

But, the use of 'waterboarding' by this cheesy woman above... that's absurd. Far more, than MMFA giving the 'official' definition of waterboarding IMO. Jylons is deflecting. But, that's okay.

Don't you think that comparing Congress doing its constitutionally mandated duty of oversight and investigation, in other words DOING ITS JOB, to torture is furthering a conservative framed storyline therefore EXACTLY what MMFA set out to do from the begining?

Did I say it wasn't?

I wrote:

Obviously Gonzo wasn't tortured, by waterboarding or any other method.

I just found it amusing that MMFA included a definition of waterboarding.

I don't believe I said or implied that this item didn't belong here.

OK that was my mistake then. You seemed to be agreeing with Jlyons who asked directly what the point was. That just seemed a good place to make the point.

Uh oh, the Thought Police are watching.

 So a reporter who was not supporting the ex-Atty Gen. used a metaphor for the well-deserved grilling of Alber-toh. I fail to see why it was "conservatively" misleading or innappropriate.

Dex -

 It's not that she used a metaphor, it's the irony (and borderline disgust) of her choice of metaphor.

It would be like watching the (hypothetical) Michael Vick trial, and using the metaphor "the jury mauled him like dogs"

I don't really find even your example notably distasteful or conservative. Maybe this is one of MMfA's "FYI" posts and I just misunderstood it.

OK Dex - maybe you just don't have a heart?

 The 'waterboarding' of Gonzales is distasteful because there were probably some innocent people subject to waterboarding due to Gonzales' disdain for the constitution.  The fact that a journalist is trying to 'frame' the Gonzales investigation to paint him as a victim, when in fact he was the perpetrator, is the conservative bias.  I'm not sure if I can make that any more clear.

You should also be disgusted by the Vick example, but apparently it didn't faze you.  The man is not a victim, he caused pain, suffering, and death to hundreds of innocent dogs.

 It's disgusting when we take the villains in our society and make them out to be victims.  Cox's comments clearly further a conservative agenda - that Gonzales didn't do anything wrong and that his questioning is somehow the moral equivalent of torture.

Micsha, some very good posts. Thanks.

I think dogfighting and sponsoring it is despicable, but I suppose I have thick skin when it comes to words.

Well, believe it or not, I heard one talking head, when discussing the Michael Vick story, say, "I don't have a dog in this fight".

Bad dum ching.

Then you must be trying HARD not to see. Congress was DOING ITS JOB grilling Gonzo. To liken that to torture is obviously furthering a conservatively framed storyline that is clearly con misinformation. As if doing its job is somehow the same as torture.

If Gonzales was subject to legislative 'waterboarding' does that mean he is an enemy combatant?

 Also, if legislative 'waterboarding' means being asked tough questions in front of a panel, then I strongly support legislative waterboarding for anyone suspected of cheating the American people!

Fredo said without any restraint

The Geneva Conventions are quaint

Torture is now so good

With electrodes and hoods

Waterboarding should get no complaint

Ana Marie Cox may have a point there - forcing a Republican to tell the truth IS torture.

:-)

Isn't that cute! See how clever they are... Gonzales couldn't catch a break? Unbelievable how deluded these liars are.

Who owns Time?

Is that a rhetorical question?

How about if Fredo just told the truth?   Then he wouldn't have had to be "grilled" about all the crap he was involved in.   Funny to see the "faux conservatives" make him out to be the victim but look beyond the crap he pulled.  I always thought conservatives were "law and order" types,  "rule of law" types, "less government"  types.  Barry Goldwater must be spinning in his grave.  "Conservatives" nowadays are more like Larry Craig, Mark FOley, delay, Gingrich, the rest.   They spew thier positions like they have GOD on thier shoulder,  but when the cameras are off,  they are homosexual, womanizing, greedy, pathetic liars.   It's not even hypocrisy at this point,  it's out and out lying.  So Bill Clinton lies about his sex life and he gets brought up on Impeachment,  these Republicans lie about war and peace,  politics over safety and respect for the law, and they get the freakin medal of freedom and a "defense fund" set up for them by thier cronies.  Is there no shame in the GOP ??????