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CNN's Henry reported that generals turned down war czar position, ignored reasons why
In an April 11 Situation Room segment on the White House's reported attempts to appoint a "war czar" to oversee the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan, CNN White House correspondent Ed Henry aired a clip of deputy White House press secretary Dana Perino asserting: "I have to stress to you that no decisions have been made. No one has been offered the job." But while Henry noted that an April 11 Washington Post article reported that "at least three retired generals have turned the job down," he omitted further evidence in the Post article challenging Perino's claim that "[n]o one has been offered the job." Specifically, the Post quoted one of the three retired generals, Marine Gen. John J. "Jack" Sheehan, describing in detail his discussions with the White House regarding the job and explaining his reason for declining to be considered. The article quoted Sheehan saying that he "never agreed on the basis of the [Iraq] war" and asserting that those currently in charge of the conflict "don't know where the hell they're going."
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Posted by mefirst
kind of like the captain of the titanic handing someone else the wheel after hitting the iceberg. here, you bring 'er in.
Posted Thursday April 12, 2007 8:40:41 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by redking75687
War czar? Czar? What's this thing our government has with czars? We got a drug czar. Now a war czar? CZARISM! Good thing I'm a Social Revolutionary. Right, Mr. Kerensky?
Posted Thursday April 12, 2007 9:09:43 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Dem02020
Much appreciated for including Mr. Jack Cafferty's comments here... he's almost enough to make me want to watch wolf's 'Situation Room'... almost.
He said he loved the U.S. Marines, because of the way Marine Gen. Sheehan stated it, so plainly:
they don't know where the hell they're going
I love it too. Mr. Cafferty then asked his E-mail question:
"What does it mean if the White House cannot find anyone willing to take the job of 'war czar'?"
I have sort of an answer or response:
It doesn't take very keen eyesight to see lightning, or sharp ears to hear thunder (that's some sort of ancient wisdom)... and sometimes you can read so much between a person's words, that you catch yourself, and realize what you're reading is right there in the words, not anywhere between them.
Marine Gen. Sheehan's words contain the very reason that any Commander might decline this 'war czar' invention: It's because of the people you'd be forced to take advice and even orders from...
NSA Hadley?
You think there are any competent Military Commanders who think so little of themselves (who think themselves so incompetent), that they're going to take advice and orders, on field issues, from NSA Hadley?
Why not just say it's Karl Rove running the show, or Dick Cheney or 'Scooter' Libby even.
It's all about the personnel baby! It's all about the chain of Command...
Give Marine Gen. Sheehan the absolute authority to take Command of the U.S. occupation of Iraq, and he might do it... for the U.S.M.C and the U.S. Army, he'd probably do it.
But tell him, or any self-respecting career Military Officer, that they're under NSA Hadley?
It's right there in the words baby... it doesn't take keen eyes or sharp ears to see it and hear it:
they don't know where the hell they're going
"They" and "they're": Now who do you think "they" and "they're" are?
It's all about the personnel baby, it's about the chain of Command...
That's what I love too, about U.S. Marines in general, and General Sheehan in particular... when they speak, it's like lightning and thunder...
You get it, right away... it doesn't even take keen eyes or sharp ears either.
Posted Thursday April 12, 2007 9:21:53 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by conleytgwinn in reply to Dem02020
As so often, you have captured what I might have thought after much longer consideration than I currently have given; and presented it quite cogently. Thanks - that is one I no longer must ponder.
Posted Thursday April 12, 2007 9:59:08 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Dem02020 in reply to conleytgwinn
This 'war czar' scheme of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and NSA Hadley et al, underscores greatly the need (the urgency) of the provision of the upcoming Defense supplemental, to schedule an end to the unending U.S. occupation of Iraq... to finally make for an exit strategy to this invasion... an invasion so suspect for it's being driven by falsified intelligence, and then made much deadlier for the negligence, of having no end or exit planned, by it's planners, George W. Bush et al.
What this 'war czar' scheme of their's signifies, is much worse than most of us could imagine.
Listen: These people, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and NSA Hadley et al, are apparently now at great odds with the Joint Chiefs of Staff themselves, over this unending occupation of Iraq... for why else would the president go end-around the Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army and the Commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps?
This is essentially what Bush et al are doing here.
Why would they do that?
The most significant detail of their 'war czar' scheme, is that they are seeking a Uniformed Career Military Commander (Retired or not) for this 'war czar' position (and the emphasis there is on 'Uniformed').
Again, why are they seeking a Uniformed Officer for this position, unless they think themselves to be up against more than they can handle, in the Joint Chiefs of Staff?
The awful and inevitable truth may be finally dawning on George W. Bush and Dick Cheney et al: That you can only make an impression on people, by way of expensive 'executive' suits and civilian titles, for just so long, before those same people realize that the fine clothes you wear and the office that you hold, are no indication of (or substitute for) competence...
And this false and temporary impression those people make, becomes discovered even the more quicker, when they're trying to make it on Uniformed Military Career Officers, in Military matters...
...men who certainly know Military matters, by way of experience and training both...
...experience and training found in an amount measured ZERO, in George W. Bush and Dick Cheney et al.
This is just another disturbing twist among many, in this tragic saga of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney et al abusing the U.S. Armed Forces for their own glory and profit...
...this twist that has them seeking a Uniformed Military Commander, to apparently effect this unending occupation of Iraq, over the already competent Command of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and every other Uniformed Military Commander... men whose confidence in Bush et al must be near if not past it's breaking point.
Why else do they seek a Uniformed Military Commander for this 'war czar' invention of theirs?
The provision in the upcoming Defense supplemental, seems more and more urgent everyday.
Posted Friday April 13, 2007 11:50:01 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by DorisRussell
War czar
How more repulsive can Bush be?
Posted Thursday April 12, 2007 9:48:45 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by wolf kotenberg
Mr Bush is trying to pass the buck ! He is the commander in chief. He alone is responsible for the conduct of this war.
Posted Thursday April 12, 2007 11:29:21 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by HuntingtonBeachLefty in reply to wolf kotenberg
KURT CAMPBELL (former Clinton Pentagon official): Now, six or seven years later, what's clear as you look across sort of the diamond and there, on the bench, it's just open pine.
Had baseball never been invented, we would be much worse off in the analogy dept.
At the risk of repeating Cafferty and Emmanuel's points, isn't this the administration that has been so pissy about anyone but The Decider doing any decidin'? Like that bratty kid that won't let you help him fix his bike, then comes crying for you when he's got it really bollixed up.
Posted Thursday April 12, 2007 11:39:46 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by conleytgwinn
I just hope that the Deciderer hasn't further deluded himself to believe that selecting a fall guy for "Czar" will ease his path to redemption - either personal or administrative.
And as far as emergency finding without a timeline . . .
Posted Friday April 13, 2007 12:11:08 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by wolf kotenberg in reply to conleytgwinn
A few days ago I was watching the history channel describing Mega Machines when the host uttered there is a nuclear carrier being built with the name George Bush. If true i am very sad.
Posted Friday April 13, 2007 12:39:08 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by HuntingtonBeachLefty in reply to wolf kotenberg
Nook-yuh-ler carrier, Wolf.
Posted Friday April 13, 2007 1:27:15 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by redking75687 in reply to wolf kotenberg
It's being named after Pappa Bush. A gift from his war-industry buddies in the Carlysle Group. Old Pappa Bush and his buddies have been making a mint off this war crime.
Typically American, though. Homelessness on the rise, poverty growing, mortality rate rising, life expectancy dropping and the government builds yet ANOTHER stinking aircraft carrier. We have 12 already!
The cornerstone of fascism is militarism.
Posted Friday April 13, 2007 1:38:46 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Newtler
Don't they mean they need a "SCAPEGOAT CZAR"? What a joke. This administration is a DISGRACE TO OUR FINE NATION/FLAG!!!!
Posted Friday April 13, 2007 2:21:41 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by gg
Why not appoint Wolfowitz, it looks like he might be available, after all he help start this mess and of course, he would have to direct things from on the ground in Iraq, he could lead the surge!
Posted Friday April 13, 2007 10:27:27 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by redking75687 in reply to gg
He's too busy screwing over the third world poor with the World Bank.
Posted Friday April 13, 2007 7:42:00 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by bkboase3653
"Sheehan said Vice President Cheney holds more sway in the administration than those who are looking for a way out of Iraq"
This really says it all..What self-respecting general would agree to take the heat for the appendage who is really calling the shots...DICK has disregarded sound military advice for the past 4 years.
Posted Friday April 13, 2007 11:37:10 AM EDT / Flag this comment