i thought possible she could have been making a joke about bill, but no one can say for sure. whatever it meant, she showed herself to have a sense of humor. which is the reason why the republicans are making a bad mistake to assume they can paint her as cold and calculating. whatever you may think of her, i saw her in an extended interview on meet the press, and she comes off well.

Based on the way she said it, I thought she was talking about Bill.  That's why people laughed.  Maybe conservatives assume she's talking about Bill and liberals assume she's talking about Starr.  Either one could be funny.  But saying it was about Bin Laden isn't funny.  There's no joke there. 

I thought it came across very well, it was a nice touch.  She shouldn't run away from the comment, it worked. 

Full-Time Professional Journalistic Hit Men are the Predators and Hillary is just but one of their Prey.   Hillary performed great and deserved a complement for this event.    A huge number of Hillary haters are just busy cherry picking for an angle to make their attacks on her.

Hillary was flawless, including her joke.   The ongoing response shows, without a doubt, that an concerted “Conspiracy” is active at most news outlets.  Especially at Fox, where that “Vast Republican’t Conspiracy” is busy attacking Obama, Hillary and Others.

I agree with Pat Buchanan and others.  Hillary was joking about her former and current Republican enemies in general.  Later she realized that she had left it open to the casual observer to fill in that blank with their favorite attacking strategy.  The perfect strategy of course, is to invoke Bill Clinton.

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If it’s not this, it would be something else.  Get used to it, but please do your level best to expose the Republicants and their Hit Squad Agenda. 

We can look forward to much more of this nonsense.  The "liberal media" will analyze innocous statements like this and go overboard.  I wish this much analysis was put to the false statements that George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz and others made in the lead-up to the Iraq invasion and after that as well.

THANK YOU.

njguy93@yahoo.com

They can't do that njguy.  That'll get them impeached.  We can't have  that.

She could have been referring to ALL those men.  Who cares?

Even if she was talking about Bill......so what?

she wasn't trying to make a joke. She just repeated the question and it sounded funny because the audience projected the answer was Bill and she laughed.

Didn't hurt her a bit. In fact, its about the only time she ever made me laugh.

It's not like she call Obama "clean" or something and has to spend the next month explaining herself. It was a positive, not a negative. 

Leatherhelmet - you've nailed it again.

This was no joke on her part...she wasn't talking about any men in particular...she just repeated the question while she gathered her thoughts....and the audience thought she was making a joke.

This is just like Perot's answer when he said, "I'm all ears". Much ado about nothing....except to keep mmfa busy promoting Hillary for president.

Promoting Hillary for president? Not so much.

More like MMFA pointing out the banality that passes for political discourse among the nitwit pundit class.

Funded by Hillary cronies...supported by Hillary cronies

mmfa better contact the contributors...they're going to need a lot more staff to handle the guff that is coming her way. She has just announced her intentions and already we get multiple threads daily.

mmfa unabashedly supports Hillary's run for president...unlike a lot of the liberal posters at this site. 

ho hum, yawn,zzzzzzz.....

Actually, MMFA takes the media to task over the biases and misinformation perpetrated on all left-leaning politicians and or progressive/liberal beliefs.

They have exposed false right-wing narratives and debunked right-wing smears and lies against a whole slew of lefties from Bernie Sanders to John Edwards to Barack Obama to Hillary Clinton to John Kerry to Russ Feingold and on and on.

Where ever simpering Republican connivers darkly lurk with whispers and innuendo MMFA is there to shine a light on their subterranean pasty faced lies.

Great post roundhouse...high drama...but still a great post.

You may not be old enough to remember this one...but it's appropriate.

• Mr.Trouble never hangs around, when he hears this mighty sound
• Here I come to save the day! That means that Mighty Mouse is on the way!
• Yes sir, when there is a wrong to right, Mighty Mouse will join the fight.
• On the sea or on the land, He's got the situation well in hand. 

Thanks.

It was a great post. Made even greater by the fact that its truthfulnes cannot be sullied by what I am assuming are ribald taunts.

XOXOXO,

Roundhouse

No ribald taunts here...just congrats on a passionate post.

The Mighty Mouse reference was not aimed at you. 

Oh, in that case thank you.

I am so tired of the pundits trying to attack Senator Clinton. First she has a great sense of humor, second I would want her standing up against bin Laden or any other terrorist before any other leader in America. She is tough especially after how the right wing attacked her for 8 years as First Lady and now as Senator.

At least she wouldn't have attacked Iraq when Enemy #1 was hiding in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

Most U.S. media is weak minded, lazy and myopic.  Go over to the BBC and somehow it's not filled with this rubbish. It has actual, real news about stuff that matters. Isn't their "real" news to be reported somewhere?  What is being taught in journalism schools?  How to work a story, or how to sell one?

I'm beginning to see a pattern here...

When a Democrat tells a joke whether planned or spontaneously--they tend to botch the punch line...ala Kerry, now Clinton. Then they get pissy because people didn't know what they meant.

When I first heard Kerry's *JOKE* I thought he meant the troops

You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq.

When I first heard Clinton's *JOKE* I thought she meant Bill:

 Well, the question really is, we face a lot of dangers in the world, and in the gentleman's words, we face a lot of evil men, you know, people like Osama bin Laden comes to mind, and what in my background equips me to deal with evil and bad men? (Laughter.)

George Bush is a *JOKE*...but thus far the Democrats are having a tough time making a JOKE about him without having to explain it, then re-explain it.

And here's the reality.... If you have to EXPLAIN your punch line...it tends to lose it's haha value.

Whether Hillary meant Bill or Bush Or Starr Or Cheney[Heck she probably meant ALL of them!] it was still an nice moment seeing her laugh because it was honest and unscripted.

More of THAT, and she could even win me over ;-)

Oh and bringing Bill Clinton back into the White House is another PLUS...even if his title is only that of First Gentleman.

Curiously, I knew immediately to whom he (Kerry) referred; although it may be true of the troops as well, that many of them lack opportunities afforded by better economic circumstances, Either way, there is sufficient kernal of truth in the "joke" to leave a mark on Bungle's butt, since Bungle never fails to take credit for this "resurgent" economy that is the slowest, least, recovery from recession in the history of this nation, tax cuts be damned; and since there is no outstanding question that he is at best semi-literate, of marginal to "normal" intelligence, and doesn't care.

I lack certainty even now, but always suspected that she meant all those seeking to destroy Bill, and often attacking her as a means to that end. 

You are usually more equable than this - is it a case of having a point to make?

conleytgwinn,

IF one heard Kerry's remarks out of context--which is how I first heard them, I believe it was easy to think he was indeed talking about the troops. Upon hearing his surrounding remarks, AND his explanation, then it became clear that it was Bush, not soldiers he was referring to. My point was that he bungled the joke. Hence my statement:

 George Bush is a *JOKE*...but thus far the Democrats are having a tough time making a JOKE about him without having to explain it, then re-explain it.

I think that was a fair statement.

Also did you stop reading my post half way through?

I wasn't particularly kind to Bush. And I was quite complimentary to Hillary & Bill.

I'm not sure WHY you found my post so UN-equable.

Since Hillary did not chose to explain exactly WHOM she was referring to, she left herself open to speculation.

HOWEVER, if you read my post to Irony [next page] you'll see that I [now] agree with his theory.

"When I first heard Kerry's *JOKE* I thought he meant the troops"

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When I first heard the joke I knew he was talking about W. Only the clueless thought otherwise.

Sure you did Easy. Who wouldn't believe that. Wow you're so good at "refuting" wingnuts. I'm soooooo impressed. [cough cough]

Please change your name to: Couldn't Refute A Point Or Add Anything Substantive To A Debate If I Tried

Jeter2, I think part of the problem is a perceived image that a lot of Democrats are humorless, therefore they have a hard time with timing (most comedy has to do with timing). I look at Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, etal and seldom see a smile on their face. That sends a message (at least to me) that they are having a hard time seeing anything good in their surroundings. Perception rather than fact, probably, but may explain one reason they have trouble in delivering a good punch line.

All one needs to do, when considering Hillary Clinton and "bad and evil men" whom she has had to deal with in her past, is remember her mention of the "Vast Rightwing Conspiracy".There WAS one ... and still IS one ... in full operation, and it was not entirely faceless. Bad and evil men who worked tirelessly to attack and bring down Hillary are too numerous to name, but here's a starter list:Newt Gingrich, Tom DeLay, Bob Dornan, Richard Mellon Scaife, Ted Olson, R. Emmett Terrill, Rush Limbaugh, G. Gordon Liddy, Sean Hannity, Dick Cheney, Mort Kondracke, Matt Drudge, Karl Rove, Neil Boortz, Henry Hyde, James Sensenbrenner, Bob Barr, Asa Hutchinson, Tony Blankley, John Fund, Dick Morris, Jim Pinkerton, Bob Novak, Brent Bozelle, and Michael Reagan.This is just a PARTIAL list of people who have made a virtual COTTAGE INDUSTRY out of attacking, smearing, and belittling Hillary Clinton and her husband. They are BAD and EVIL MEN, and BAD and EVIL MEN WHOM HILLARY HAS HAD TO DEAL WITH in her past. There are at least a hundred more who fit this category. Many ... especially those in political office who could be voted OUT ... are no longer prominent, but did their best in their time to destroy Hillary.When Hillary considers BAD and EVIL MEN, there is no shortage of images of faces that will pop into her mind; people who have engaged in smears and character assassination and bogus mind-reading acts in order to attack her personally, hopefully to DESTROY her.None are her husband, whom by all indications, she loves and who loves HER. And none are Ken Starr, who was just "doing his job" ... badly.This "WHO COULD HILLARY POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN THINKING OF" nonsense is just another rightwing distraction ... as if the abundance of rightwing hit men, character assassins, and smearmerchants are not obvious, bad, evil, and out front in their constant Hillary hatred. Sheesh!  

OR

She could have meant Bill. I see you omitted/dismissed that possibility. Perhaps your self-induced amnesia of the pain & embarrassment he caused her remains a bitter memory to her.

When she was ASKED about her *JOKE* all she needed to do is say just whom she meant. And ALL speculation would have ended.

Instead she gave a non-answer.

Blaming the media or a Right-Wing conspiracy is a cop-out.

Is this important in the larger scheme of things? Of course not. BUT Hillary had it in her power to END the ruminating and conjecture dead in it's tracks. She chose not to....

She probably thought that only a bunch of losers would speculate for more than five seconds about what she meant.  And she was right.  Unfortunately those losers buy ink by the gallon.

Or maybe she meant all of the above.  Maybe what makes this joke work is that you insert so many different names...leaving it up to interpretation.

Acutely said - and so transparently true that you have a formidable set of the same sort of - well, "trolls" - awaiting you on the bridge ahead.

Not long ago, this woman said she had no intentions of running. She's a liar like all other politicians. She just happens to be remarkably adept at it.

 Hillary used the FBI to get rid of "non-political" white-house employees, reg avg schmucks just trying to make a check and support their families.

I guess they should be glad they were not her lawyer.

Tex, you said....

"here's a starter list:Newt Gingrich, Tom DeLay, Bob Dornan, Richard Mellon Scaife, Ted Olson, R. Emmett Terrill, Rush Limbaugh, G. Gordon Liddy, Sean Hannity, Dick Cheney, Mort Kondracke, Matt Drudge, Karl Rove, Neil Boortz, Henry Hyde, James Sensenbrenner, Bob Barr, Asa Hutchinson, Tony Blankley, "

           you forgot, 

The Bogeyman, Energizer Bunny, SpongeBobSquarePants, Mr Crabs and the Tooth Fairy(dealing in the illegal ivory trade!)

REDSTATEDAD:

If your point is that Rightwing prominent political commentators, such as those on my list, are the EQUIVALENT of cartoon characters and comical creations who exist in the "reality" of bizarre fantasy worlds ...

... who am I to disagree?

I would only point out that in the REAL world, these bad and evil men, to a man, engage(d) in Hillary Bashing, and I will concede that they do so with the perseverence of the Energizer Bunny. 

Tex,

I would of course disagree with my point being you were making people out to be much more than they are, fabulous and fantastic plotting and scheming into the night.

A few of them go to far now and then but not to the extent of movie villains.

Ask the reg folks who felt the heat of the FBI because of the Clinton's if they think she is persecuted.

REDSTATEDAD:

It seems you are attempting to dredge up a past "scandal" ... that being the Travel Office incident ... to smear Hillary anew.

It would appear, though, that you are ignorant of both the facts and the outcome of that accusation.

Special Prosecutor Robert Ray concluded: "The decision to fire the Travel Office employees was a lawful one. The Travel Office  employees served at the pleasure of President Bill Clinton, and they were subject to discharge without cause. Even were cause a prerequisite for the employees’ discharge, there was, at the time thefirings occurred, evidence of financial mismanagement in the Travel Office."

http://a255.g.akamaitech.net/7/255/2422/13may20041504/icreport.access.gpo.gov/watkins/240-243.pdfOffice director Billy Dale was charged with embezzlement. In a letter to federal prosecutors he offered to plead guilty, return $69,000, and to serve a short jail sentence. For "convenience", Dale had begun a practice of "parking" Travel Office funds in his personal bank account. Even if he intended no improper use of those funds, the practice was forbidden (for perfectly sound ethical reasons) by the explicit rules of his job. Mishandling funds is always an offense that justifies firing the offending employee.

Now, REDSTATEDAD, you wish to try to smear Hillary with past ALLEGATIONS, but those allegations have been thoroughly investigated, and conclusions arrived at that are at complete odds with your attempts to claim Hillary did something wrong.

How do you explain your clinging to accusations when they have been PROVEN false? Why does your need to smear Hillary bring you to dredge up charges (or innuendoes, if you prefer) that have been publically and officially debunked? Do you think your charges credible, when the public record directly contradicts you? MUST you lie?

ahhh...Yeah

Quality rebuttal.

Jeez, Tex. Are you paid by the word or what? Here's a hint: You don't need 45 words when 3 will do.

Way to go, toobed. Way to posit a null refutation in as few words as possible!

It's called "providing proof."  Something you've demonstrated you're unable or unwilling to do.

Here's three words:

Get lost, troll. 

 Tex,

put this in your chili,

Evidence has cropped up that Clinton staff members ordered the FBI to investigate the fired employees of the White House travel office. Following a backgrounder by Kwame Holman, Jim Lehrer is joined by Representatives William Clinger (R) New York, chair of the Government Reform and Oversight Committeeand James Moran (D) Virginia.

MR. HOLMAN: Yesterday Rep. William Clinger disclosed that the White House requested and got FBI background material on Billy Dale, the man ousted as head of the White House Travel Office in the early days of the Clinton administration. The disclosure was the latest in the ongoing political controversy known as Travelgate. In May of 1993, Dale and six other Travel Office staff members were fired by the White House, charged with incompetence and possible criminal activity. Office Director Dale later was tried on embezzlement charges but was found "not guilty" by a jury. The six other employees were exonerated and were offered jobs in other agencies of the government

REDSTATEDAD:

You post the rightwing accusations. I posted the CONCLUSION at the end of the thorough investigation, showing those accusations to be unfounded.

Do you really think posting a "halftime" score refutes the FINAL score? The FINAL score that shows your team LOST? 

Tex,

 an internal White House review and a General Accounting Office report that sharply criticized the Clinton administration's actions. Former White House associate counsel William Kennedy was reprimanded, and Foster was searching for a private attorney at the time of his death. Of the seven fired employees, the five who were not involved in the office's bookkeeping were given other federal jobs, and the Arkansans and longtime Clinton supporters brought in to run the travel office were removed.

Sorry Guys

Tex and Friends,

DISPLAYING ABSTRACT - Robert W Ray, independent counsel, issues his final report about Hillary Rodham Clinton's role in firing of seven longtime employees of White House travel office in May 1993; Ray says, as he did in June, that Hillary Clinton played far greater role in dismissals than she had admitted in her 1995 deposition

Again, sorry Guys

Hey, Tex, how 'bout doin' everyone a favor and cuttin' "you wish to try to smear Hillary with past ALLEGATIONS, but those allegations have been thoroughly investigated, and conclusions arrived at that are at complete odds with your attempts to claim Hillary did something wrong" down to: "Please prove your allegations."? You're wasting space and sounding like a lawyer. But that's redundant.

LoL.  Nice retort, tex

Wow, now this is Victimology 101 as taught by Tex.......I have never seen such a big tent, nearly every man on the planet is listed except Ann Coulter!

Actually, Hillary's sense of humor was very refreshing, who cares who she meant, it was cool.

GT:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/06/08/hillary/

You are correct. In 2003, Hillary claimed to have "no intention" of running for president in 2008.

You claim this was "not long ago", and it was FOUR YEARS, and we could quibble about what represents "not long ago" (four years is SEVERAL political lifetimes), but let's DO quibble about the meaning of two words: "INTENTION" and "LIAR".

You wish to call Hillary a liar on the basis of this four year old claim.

Is that even close to FAIR? Not at all.

You may have no INTENTION today of buying a new house, but statistically you will probably BE in a new house in four years' time. If you are one of those who moves, are you then a LIAR for not having the intention of moving four years ago? Not at all. Your INTENTIONS changed.

You may WANT a basis on which to call Hillary a "liar" ... but this example doesn't come close to bolstering you "point". Such namecalling without proper basis, though, is a mainstay of rightwing smearmongering, so you can hardly be blamed for following the playbook. A swing and a miss. 

To equate the consideration of buying a house and running for president is beyond ludicrous. If you think Hillary had no intentions of running in 2003 (her claims were made much more recently by the way) then I've got some swampland you might be interested in.

Hillary Rodham (Gee, I just can't seem to find those billing records) Clinton is a liar of the first order. Most politicians are liars but Hillary (wasn't she named after Sir Edmund Hillary? Oh, that's right. That was a lie, too) lies every time she opens her mouth because that's what she is, a liar by nature.

So if she says she had no intention of running before the 2004 election, she's held to that today?

She was asked during one of her senatorial debates what she might do, and she stated that she might run.

No dishonesty here.  Well, not from Clinton. 

RESPONSES to TOOLBED:

You say: "To equate the consideration of buying a house and running for president is beyond ludicrous."

RESPONSE: Why? Because you SAY so? Because you can't see both are among the most important decisions most people make in their lives, and both are subject to changing circumstances over time?

You say: "If you think Hillary had no intentions of running in 2003 (her claims were made much more recently by the way) then I've got some swampland you might be interested in."

RESPONSE: Again, WHY? Because you believe yourself to be a mind-reader? Because you feel you can PROJECT your own mental calculations onto Hillary, and YOU would have been considering the presidency in 2003 if you were she? So you think SHE must be a liar, because you would think differently?

You say: "Hillary Rodham (Gee, I just can't seem to find those billing records)..."

RESPONSE: ANOTHER unfounded allegation, with thorough and hostile investigation showing NO wrongdoing on Hillary's part. Oh, and the "billing records" in question had already been in Starr's possession for YEARS, having obtained Foster's copy. NO NEW INFORMATION when Hillary's copy turned up. Again, you are certain of GUILT when the best investigators the GOP could muster found NONE. REAL WORLD FACTS, and your own personal views, are in direct contradiction.

You continue: "...(Hillary) Clinton is a liar of the first order."

RESPONSE: SMEAR, without any factual basis. You state your FEELING as if FACT, and that indeed indicates a LIAR ... but it's not Hillary.

You say, "Most politicians are liars but Hillary (wasn't she named after Sir Edmund Hillary? Oh, that's right. That was a lie, too)"

RESPONSE: Gee. When she's a child, a relative tells her she was named after a Mount Everest adventurer, and she BELIEVES them, not investigating Google (Oh, that's right. She was a CHILD, and Google hadn't been invented yet.) to see if her relative was being entirely accurate. Yup. An offhand remark upon which NOTHING rides, and informed by a relative who was apparently mistaken, makes her a LIAR? You are a real piece of work, TOOLBED.

You say, " (Hillary) lies every time she opens her mouth because that's what she is, a liar by nature."

RESPONSE: Wow. Based on a couple of FALSE claims of Hillary not speaking what you consider the absolute truth, you have gone global and into the realm of ABSOLUTES. Don't you realize, going from a single example (or even a couple) to a broad generalization is one of the main logical fallacies, a perversion of reasoning which marks the LOSS of the debate, because the tactic is ludicrous?

It's OK for you to hate Hillary for whatever emotional reasons you might have ... jealousy, a desire to believe Hillary's venomous and lying accusers against all proof, partisan zeal, or just some form of mental perversion ... but if you're going to try to get others to agree with your assessment, you're going to have to change tactics.

Try showing FACTS instead of just showing your ass. You wish to indict Hillary, but your presentation serves only to destroy your OWN credibility. 

"When she's a child, a relative tells her she was named after a Mount Everest adventurer." So that's where Hillary learned how to lie, from her relatives. It all makes sense now.

I forgot, who is the father lies?

If it wasn't that long ago, I'm sure you can provide a link to a reputable source for that quote.  We'll be right here waiting.

All these right wingers claim that we are in te midst of a WWII type struggle, and yet they talk about this. What a waste of time.

OH please...  HRC should stay home. Everyone knows that her husband was the one who came to mind when she said 'evil men'.But the problem here is, most of us think she is just as evil if not more...This is why she will never be president thank GOD.

Define "most".

Trust the media to make this non-story a story. She was referring to Big time Dick Cheney.

How many other evil and bad men do we know?  

My take...

First, my understanding is that the audience at this event was predominantly women... or at least there were many women there. The list of men in the right wing media who relentlessly villify Hillary Clinton is long... very long. When asked the question I believe Hillary initially intended to slyly, without mentioning names, suggest that she has plenty of experience dealing with the "evil" men in the right wing media who constantly attack her. However, my belief is that as the words were coming out of her mouth she realized the irony that "her experience with evil men" could be applied (mostly by women), in a jocular but non-PC fashion to her own philandering husband. The women in the audience picked up on this immediately and everyone had a good laugh about her ironic response. Afterwards, when she was asked about it, she could not admit that she would in any way suggest that Bill Clinton is an evil man.  It was a no-win situation... created by herself. But had she honestly tried to explain can you imagine the uproar and mischief the media would have created? Hillary Clinton does not strike me as a naturally funny person, and although her response was intended to be humorous her original intent was not the ironic humor that resulted. It was hilarious, though...

I think you've nailed it.

I'm not sure a room full of men would have laughed for as long, or as heartily.  It doesn't matter at all who she meant, just as the question wasn't specific. 

Though I doubt she intended such a moment, I think it's entirely appropriate that she leave it vague.

You have to give the sensationalist media one thing, they are persistent.  If only they would apply that tenacity to journalism.

You know what Irony? I think your explanation is probably the correct one.

If one watches the clip it's apparent that Hillary realized the *irony* of her statement when the audience laughed. The great thing is she laughed too!

I do believe you've out-thunk [is that a word?] us all.

I hearby WITHDRAW my original post [pg 1]...I AGREE with Irony.

And damn she looked really pretty when she was laughing [oops is that gonna upset anyone that I said that?]

No....but I got a post deleted a while back for calling Clinton a 'hottie'....Hilary, that is...

I don't think it really matters who she was referring to. Though my impression was that initially she was going to take a jab at Bush and once all the women in the audience started to laugh, foreseeing a merry little jab at her husband, she realized the way it sounded and it became a very cute joke. I personally loved the exchange, and her response to it. It showed her charasmatic qualities, her ability to be funny as well as intelligent, and really connect with americans. I personally dont understand the characterization of her as impersonal, unhuman, and unapproachable. She seems much more approachable than the multimillionaire dick Cheney  who hunts  flight-impaired quail in a fenced in ranch and STILL misses, or Bush from the affluent Connecticut bush dynasty. 

I just love how the conservative media attacks her for being too tightly wound and calculated one moment, and then next treat her joke as a matter of utter seriousness, and  describe her as "girly". 

Fasciating!

 This reminds me of the last scene of "Lost in Translation." Yeah, what DID Bill Murray say to her? Who WAS Hillary talking about?

 This really isn't the best use of the media's resources.

I'm pretty sure that her joke was about Bill Clinton.  She meant it to be a joke and it was funny.  THE JOKE IS ONLY FUNNY IF IT IS ABOUT BILL!  Somehow many of those commentators appearing in the MMFA video think that it is somehow taboo that she should talk about it Bill's cheating.  Clearly, she's over it. 

I also object to one of them saying that Hillary later claimed that she was talking about Osama Bin Laden and denying that it was about Bill.  I haven't seen any denial like that (Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this point and show evidence); I SAW NO BACKPEDALLING.  I only saw unproven claims that she did.  She actually told a reporter to "lighten up," which further proves that she didn't backpedal.

"THE JOKE IS ONLY FUNNY IF IT IS ABOUT BILL!"

Exactly correct, Skip... in fact it's hilarious.  And it's so easy to apply  it to Bill.  But, again, as cautious as Hillary Clinton is I doubt seriously that she originally intended to take that risk, especially at this early stage of her campaign, of making humor about her husband's philandering... that just opens up too many doors where she doesn't want to go right now. As I said, I believe that as her words were leaving her lips she realized the irony of her response... because it could so obviously be applied to her husband.  Ironically, that's what made what probably would have been a lame joke into a memorably hilarious one.  Trust me on this irony stuff... Irony is my name.  ;>)

Skiploader wrote: "THE JOKE IS ONLY FUNNY IF IT IS ABOUT BILL!"

Actually, the joke is only funny to right wingers if it is about Bill.  

COWPUNK... if you're married, show your wife the clip and ask her if she thinks its kinda funny, considering Bill's well-publicized peccadillos way back when.  A lot of Hillary's female supporters who were present thought it was funny... ;>)

I guess I stated that poorly.  I didn't mean that liberals would not think it's funny if it's about Bill.  I meant that right wingers would think it funny only if they believe if it's about Bill.  Liberals might enjoy it either way.

I think it's as funny if it's about all the men mentioned here.  Bill, the VRWC, etc.  Let's face it:  she's got experience with evil (of all variety) men, regardless of how you slice it.

Afterthought...

 Where is that colonel from Metal Gear? Shouldn't he be here to talk about how Hillary is going to Hell?

I've heard that he was sent on another secret mission.

Something to do about cleaning up his room before dad gets home.

A secret mission to clean up his secret emission

Rusty, is that supposed to be another jab at Senator Clinton's husband?

I meant it as a jab at Kernel Roy Campbell, but I like your take too.

My God...

I tried watching all the clips of these fools talking about this completely non-issue... couldn't stomach it. This is so lame. WHO CARES!!! The level of discourse among these pundits is pathetic.

Yeah. But at least skip to end where Hillary tells everyone to "lighten up"

Good!

You're right... Hillary's right. Much ado about nothing. Glad I saw that part. Although having to see Crowly at the end almost ruined it ;-)

Falafal,

for once you make sense!

Shouldn't that be 'gyro'?

Did I ever tell you you're my gyro...

I was thinking 

" Nearly Burnt Phyllo" 

but that's just me

Can everyone stop acting like lawyers.  We know she was talking about Bill as a joke.  This is just stupid.

LDoren1626, Please tell me how you know it's about Bill.

As a woman who has achieved what Hillary has I'm sure thinking about evil, lying men she could list quite a few.

"This is just stupid."

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You're right. Claiming mind-reading skills about things you have no comprehension is very stupid.

So why do you keep doing it? 

"We know she was talking about Bill as a joke." 

...except for the fact that it makes no sense that Hillary Clinton would be dumb enough to intentionally remind people about her husband's philandering, particularly at this point in her campaign. Bill Clinton is more popular than George W. Bush and most likely could be re-elected President if the Constitution permitted him to run.  Hillary needs Bill Clinton in her campaign in a positive way... not as a reminder that he embarrassed the office of the presidency with his affair. To intentionally make a joke about Bill's womanizing would be the height of stupidity. Call Hillary Clinton what you like, but she isn't stupid.  Yeah, the joke was funny because you can obviously apply her response to Bill. I just wish politics were such that candidates like Hillary could be totally honest and say things like...  "You know... People like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are evil men and I have to deal with their lying attacks on me every day."

Exactly

It's stunning to me that not one of the pundits mentioned Rush Limbaugh.  Who has done more over the years to make the name Hillary into a curse word among conservatives than Rush?

Guess I really missed the point when I heard the clip the other day, I thought she was referring to Hugh Rodham &/or Rick Lazio.

I suppose one could just ask Hillary what she meant, since it was a staged question with a staged and rehearsed response.   

The whole reason her joke is funny is that people hearing it can insert their favorite male Hillary bashers and have a laugh ... if you've had a man cheat on you, its funny ... agree that the men who lead the right wing smear machine attacked her, its funny, think Rush, and Hannity's attack her, its funny ... how the gusy at Fox and Friends of recently tried to smear her (Gibbson, et al.), it funny ... Gingrich, funny.

The ambiguity is part of what makes the joke as funny as it was ... the audience gets to interpret it some, and apply it where ever they want ...

Ofcourse the humorless right misses what makes a joke funny ... no one reallly got hurt ...  

The whole reason her joke is funny is that people hearing it can insert their favorite male Hillary bashers and have a laugh ... if you've had a man cheat on you, its funny ... agree that the men who lead the right wing smear machine attacked her, its funny, think Rush, and Hannity's attack her, its funny ... how the guys at Fox and Friends recently tried to smear her (Gibbson, et al. did), its funny ... Gingrich, funny.  Hillary has had so many clear attacks from "bad" men, she didn't need to target this at any specific indiviudal .. she knows she's taken crap, so do we ... that's why it is funny. ...

The ambiguity is part of what makes the joke as funny as it was ... the audience gets to interpret it some, and apply it where ever they want ...

Ofcourse the humorless right misses what makes a joke funny ... I can't wait for their Daily Show ... ha, now that's funny