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Gregory ignored Bush's "Democrat" slur, lauded "bipartisan spirit" of speech
Reporting on President Bush's State of the Union address during the January 24 edition of NBC's Nightly News, NBC News chief White House correspondent David Gregory asserted that Bush "tried to capture" a "bipartisan spirit ... right from the start" of his speech. But Gregory failed to mention Bush's use of "Democrat" as an adjective during his speech, which Nightly News anchor Brian Williams had described as "pejorative" during MSNBC's coverage of Bush's address the day before. During his speech, Bush congratulated what he called the "Democrat majority" while welcoming the "new," "changed" Congress, even though the prepared text of the speech reportedly called for Bush to recognize the "Democratic majority."
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Posted by DorisRussell
I will give the President some credit, I thought he was very classy in his remarks to Speaker Pelosi. As for Gregory maybe he is tired? He has been working Today this week with Meredith.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 4:03:09 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by magnolialover in reply to DorisRussell
I mean really, what was he supposed to do? Ignore the fact that Pelosi is now the Speaker of the House, and the first woman to be so? Really, anyone would have said that. Doesn't make him classy, just makes him normal. I mean a couple of months ago he was telling the American people how if they elected a democratically controlled Congress, then the terrorists were going to win. Yep, all class and sassafrass that guy.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 4:12:23 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by therick in reply to magnolialover
Gotta say--I HATE W. But I gotta agree with Doris and you. It was a small stroke of newfound class the way he welcomed her historic moment. But you also are right, he had to do it. I'm thankful that he didn't do it begrudgenly the way he often handles things he doesn't like.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:15:33 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by bittermarv in reply to therick
He also made it all about himself. "I have the honor of being the first to say..."
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:35:46 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by therick in reply to bittermarv
Good point! What a shame that puddinhead was the first to utter those words.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:38:53 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by nerzog
Well, Pig Man Limbaugh admitted yesterday that they only do this because it pisses off Democrats.
<>So much for Puddinhead George's "bipartisan tone".
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 4:15:22 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Dem02020 in reply to nerzog
Intended to piss off Democrats...
I believe it. More than that, it seems to be the major theme to the "media's" message right now, to distract and annoy Democrats with an unending blitz of nonsense about everything under the sun that doesn't matter not a turd's worth.
Feigned cell phone conversations, big ears and where he went to school as a kid, what another guy sold his house for, the timing of an announced candidacy (and whether they'll ever admit it or not), was she behind the smears, is he a halfrican, are they members of the Democratic Congressional Caucus...
...or the Democrat Congressional Caucus?
And I don't think that that new Congressional majority (call it what you will) is truly being annoyed or distracted by this crap in the least... as they seem headlong on a mission and doing their job as the new Congressional majority... they're in the midst of working hard at opposing the president's scheme of lies and greed and death in Iraq, and doing it on behalf of the American People who made them that new Congressional majority, and whose Sons and Daughters it is, that the president intends to sacrifice, for his scheme of lies and greed and death in Iraq.
It's others who are being knocked off their game by the noise, not them... not the Democrats in Congress.
This is a time to stay focused (as the DEMOCRATIC Congressional Caucus is, I'm happy to report), not a time to spend reacting overly sensitive and immediately defensive, to every little annoyance and distraction imaginable (or should I say written and broadcast).
Dang the nonsense (and stop being so defensive and overly sensitive) I would say, to any who are devoting too much time to the crap presently being written and/or broadcast about the newly-elected DEMOCRATIC Congressional majority...
Full speed ahead, and tune them in, exclusively, that DEMOCRATIC Congressional Caucus... they're doing the American People's work right now, so stay focused forward and positive on them.
When was the last time the hack "media" worked on behalf of the American People?
Why would you pay much attention to what they're saying and writing right now, when it's not really about them anyway.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 4:48:45 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by pick of the litter
I happened to see this NBC story and I also noticed the ommission by Gregory. His comment "It was that bipartisan spirit the president tried to capture right from the start last night" ignored Bush's backhanded compliment and you had to come to this website or see Matthews and Olbermann's live broadcast to have noticed the President's sly slur. Frankly, I watched some pre-show stuff and some post-speech stuff but after being nauseated by all the applause for Bush and Condi and Cheney, I was too ill to listen to another hollow and vaccuous speech by a leader for whom I have lost all respect. I booed my tv.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 4:26:38 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by freakagriep
Oh my gosh. This item is RIDICULOUS!
Democrats call themselves democrats, not democratic. If you think democrat is a dirty word, it's only because the democrats have made it dirty.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 4:54:04 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by magnolialover in reply to freakagriep
Democrat, if you have not been following along, is a noun, meaning the actual person.
Democratic, defines the entire party. Calling it the democrat party is not correct. And it is meant as a sly or a smear.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 5:17:57 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by therick in reply to freakagriep
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:29:16 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by redking75687 in reply to therick
Can't call them "democratic". I sat and watched the Dems run the Green party candidates of the ballot here in Pennsylvania with lawsuits and threats of lawsuits, all designed to keep any possible competition away from the ballot box. They did exactly the same to the Nader campaign in 2000 in many states, Pennsylvania included.
How can a party that forces others from access to democracy be called democratic? In Pennsylvania, the Democrats are the biggest obstacle we have to actual democracy.
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 11:45:25 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by therick in reply to redking75687
Whatever. . .
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 12:26:03 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by jeter2
Ok maybe a David Gregory & others in the Media should *catch* the gaffe/slight every time, BUT I gotta tell you I often miss it. I didn't catch it during the SOTU. I honestly believe that unless your ears are perked & ready it can slip by unnoticed.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 5:14:39 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by magnolialover in reply to jeter2
It's sort of like that old skit of subliminal man that Kevin Nealon used to do on Saturday Night Live. They just slip it in there ever so "innocently".
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 5:19:10 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by tommy in reply to jeter2
Jeter, Agree..........
This incessant whining about this Democrat "slur" is getting silly. Get over it. Playing the victim political party with this issue has run it's course.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 5:22:36 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by magnolialover in reply to tommy
Would you like to be called Thommy? As in someone misspelling your name just to provoke you? Probably not. It's the same thing here, and it is a known tactic by right wingers (Rover, Gingrich included), and it was on their "words to use" memo. It's a very insidious way to try and undermine a party. That's why it is being talked about it. You let it go, they win, and it gets popularized. But hey, if you want to be grammatically incorrect and sound sort of idiotic for using the wrong terminology, be my guest, just don't expect me, and others, to not call someone on it. I'm glad that MMFA points these uses out.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 5:33:07 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by tommy in reply to magnolialover
Undermine a party? Lord, you just took control of both houses of Congress. I am scratching my head figuring out how that happened when this undermining conspiracy is raging across America......and for the record, you can spell my name anyway you'd like.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 5:36:19 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by ajwan in reply to tommy
Democrat rhymes with rat. Democrat - rat. Get it? Get the inference? It's not about the spelling, it's about calling names. It's about degrading your opponent.
How about we call you Mommy or it's all about me TomMe.
All about me - TomMe. All about me - TomMe. All about me - TomMe. All about me - TomMe. All about me - TomMe. All about me - TomMe. All about me - TomMe.
Silly? Childish? Yeah. Get the point.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:23:39 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by tommy in reply to ajwan
I would advise you start cleaning up your own house first as evidenced by the Illinois reference below........they use the term on their own website.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:29:56 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by HughG in reply to tommy
Or would you prefer to be called "Uncle Tommy?"
Come on, Tommy. It's an insult. The problem isn't that Gregory failed to mention it; the problem is that he lauded the Resident's purported "bipartisan spirit," without even noticing that the speech virtually began with a slur.
El Smirko has every right to insult Democrats at every turn. It's right there in the First Amendment. But if the Lapdog Press pretends he's being reasonable--if it doesn't inform the public about the insults that His Incompetance uses with astonishing regularity--it's making Karl Rove's job easy.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:27:12 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by tommy in reply to HughG
Oh please, he's been mispronouncing nuclear for years........this is a manufactured, ridiculous, muchadoaboutnothing, harmless word that's being kept alive by those riding the wave of victimology. Nobody can even tell me, outside of it's rhyming with rat, which is absurd, WHY it's even offensive? Only to say it's disrespectful or some such nonsense.
Even if it's intent is to slur, so what? What possible harm does it do?
None.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:39:47 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Brabantio in reply to tommy
Not long ago it was explained to you that "democratic" has a much more positive connotation than just "democrat". Did you forget?
Words matter, Tommy. Labels matter. It's not a radical smear but it's trying to take away the positive image the name carries.
If your name was "Melody" and you were running for prom queen, and your opponent started calling you "Mel" (which sounds masculine and loses the connotations of "Melody"), I think you'd understand the basic concept. Again, nothing radical, but it obviously done with a purpose. It said "Democratic" in the speech, but he misread it? He didn't read the speech before he gave it, or what? If it was an isolated incident I might believe that, but it seems to be a pattern among Republicans.
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 12:50:36 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by bittermarv in reply to tommy
What's tiresome is your incessent whining about what rates an article around here.
WE'LL decide what's offensive to us. We've had more than enough of conservatives deciding what's what in this country.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:38:37 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by tommy in reply to bittermarv
Get all bent over it if if makes you feel good. It comes across as major whining nonetheless.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:41:46 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by bittermarv in reply to tommy
Then how about if your side just stops doing it? It's clearly being done on purpose and all it accomplishes is a poisoning of political debate.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:51:37 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by tommy in reply to bittermarv
It isn't my side doing it. I don't even have a side. Actually, it's your side in Illinois doing it.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:53:11 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by bittermarv in reply to tommy
You've clearly chosen sides in this argument and many others. To pretend you're impartial is about as transparent as the rest of your arguments.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:54:50 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by therick in reply to tommy
I don't understand why it comes across as major whining.
Does he use the word incorrectly? Yes.
Does he do it on porpose? Yes.
Should it be reported? Yes.
(Someone should also correct his usage of the "word" Nuculer.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:53:04 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by bruce1ace in reply to therick
As small-minded and childish as it is for the POTUS to engage in such trivial name-calling, it is ALMOST as small-minded and childish to actually be bothered by it.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 7:54:44 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by therick in reply to bruce1ace
Wrong. We just think that the president should actually have a basic grasp of the English language. Are we setting the bar too high?
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 8:25:46 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by bruce1ace in reply to therick
We both know that Bush is playing this word game on purpose so his grasp of the language in this particular case is just fine. I won't vouch for other cases.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 8:49:42 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Sams Computer in reply to bruce1ace
NerZog...
OK! I’ve had enough of this DEMOCRAT PARTY Business! All’s Fair in Love, War and Politics Right? - Right!
SO: - I Hereby with the powers vested in me, have Coined & Established the New Pay-Back-Term for the GOP, They Say Democrat, And I Say :
REPUBLICAN’T - [ Ree-Pub-Lick-Kant ]
Can’t, as in Can Not Lead Our Country! Can Not Tell The Truth! Etc. Etc. First the President invoked “Democrat” in his State of the Union Speech. Then on CNN I heard it again by the Republican’t Spokesperson after the speech was over. I’m hearing it everywhere.
If Republicants insist on playing petty, slur terminology word games then OK, I have responded. As an Independent, I think the Democrats are not as aggressive as they need to be. When you get abused you must respond in kind. They delete the (IC), and I’m just adding a (T).
REPUBLICAN’T PARTY
I just want to give them a little dose of their own Medicine. They dished it out, so now let’s see how they like their own treatment. Hey, it’s only fair.
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander! My new word is catching on fast. I hope someday it makes the Dictionary.
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 4:21:02 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by evergreen in reply to tommy
Tommy, it's the one place you and I agree.Folks, I've been a liberal Democrat for 50 years. It is NOT a slur to refer to the Democrat Party. It's hickish. It's a Southern colloquialism. Democrats in the South use the term the same way. It's probably common in Texas and has been for decades, and that's why W uses it - it's just an old habit that he grew up with. Like nucular.This is a totally RIDICULOUS issue, and people ought to just drop it. It makes Democrats look stupid and petty when they complain about it.And - I've asked this before - WHERE IS THE INSULT? There's nothing insulting about being called the Democrat Party. It's simply ungrammatical.(thanks, MMFA, for restoring the preview function)
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 11:26:53 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by redking75687 in reply to evergreen
I agree, it is a very petty and shallow issue. We got a Federal government that runs torture chambers and all the Demmies can find to complain about is someone not adding the "ic" to the end of their party name.
American politics as usual, people are dying in droves but the most shallow argument becomes the only issue. Gore's haircut, Obama's name, now this...it's truly pathetic.
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 11:52:25 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Easy to refute wingnuts in reply to redking75687
The slur started with Bob Dole when he ran for VP with Gerald Ford. He started using the meme of "Democrat wars." He put forth the incorrect story that every war the US has ever fought was started by a Democrat. He spat out "Democrat wars" with a sneer, and that's when the rest of the GOP decided it would be perfectly all right to twist the English language and have nouns modifying other nouns.
Dole started it years ago, it's still going on now. It's time to stop it.
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 12:28:16 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Sams Computer in reply to redking75687
Hi RED .... I Agree, this Republican’t generated issue is “Petty and shallow” And ... When they stop it, I’ll stop it too. Want a little hint? They’ve declared war on the Dems and will never stop. It’s gonna get ugly.
This Web Page is About the Republicants SLUR against Democrats, not about our brave troops dying in vain in Iraq.
This Web Page is Not about My Fellow War Hero’s who are dying in vain because of Republican’t Adventures in Iraq.
You’re here to say that Democrats can’t address more than just one issue at a time? If you have a ONE TRACK MIND, i.e. The War Dead, then GO to a Thread that addresses that issue.
Do you want me to find one for you?
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 2:05:19 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Sams Computer in reply to evergreen
EVERGREEN SAYS/ On Friday January 26, 2007
“It's probably common in Texas and has been for decades?”
Hi Ya’ll! And hello Evergreen, ¥ou Liberal Democrat on an Obvious Mission for 50 years. When did I give you a license to speak for me? I am a True Born and Raised Proud Texan for 63 years. “W”, as you say, is considered a Damn Yankee in my home state. Just consult with the Dixie Chicks on that fact. Many Texans don’t claim George. We know when “W” is lying ... Every single time his lips start moving.
Texas is still the biggest state in the Union (We don’t count Alaska) and we reserve our classic bragging rights to this day. The Cowboys lost their “Americas Team” label to the Nawlins Saints. I’m getting off topic, because I’m a proud Texan and I’m here to verify that you, my good poster, are Wrong about me.
I’m puzzled as to why an Evergreen, Liberal Democrat would come to this “Oh! Really! Far-Left Swamp Pit,” on a Crusade to criticize your fellow Democrats? I ain’t Democratic. I’m a registered card carry’n Indy Pendent. I’m Independent of your suggestions to Drop This Issue.
Evergreen, I fully Respect your right to post your passionate appeal. In short, I don’t agree with you. I’m very pleased to announce my new Terminology in response to the afore mentioned SLUR:
“ THE REPUBLICAN’T PARTY ”
Good Day .... Sam I Am
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 12:49:36 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Sams Computer in reply to Sams Computer
Hi NerZog ... I like your new word for the Publican’ts. Question ... None of the new posting features like Bold Type, Edit Link and the others work on my Mac Computer. Do I have to be on a Windows OS Computer? If you don’t know don’t worry about it. I just talk to the Media Matters People.
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 2:25:24 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by evergreen in reply to Sams Computer
Hi Sam,Funny (really) - thanks for noticing.Listen, I grew up in the Northeast, and never heard Democrat Party there. Years ago I moved to Southern Indiana, which is very "southern," with heavy Kentucky influence, and that's where I first heard "Democrat Party." When you google "Democrat Party," you find several references to the term USED BY DEMOCRATS in the South. I'mjust guessing that Texans use it the same way. All this is is a matter of dialect. But Southerners have taken so much control of our politics, that it's being heard more often nationwide. If you're used to the correct usage (Democratic Party), then you suddenly hear the incorrect, you might wonder what's going on - why would someone deliberately misstate the name of the party - are they trying to insult me? To me, that's a stretch - and it's a stupid stupid thing to make an issue out of.And it's not true that "Bob Dole started it" as someone said above. The term has been in common usage for generations. The Wikipedia entry on this explains it very well.I would never presume to speak for Texas. It's way too big for me.
Posted Saturday January 27, 2007 11:20:44 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by solon in reply to tommy
OK, I hope you will get over Democrats calling the GOP ReNAMBLAcans, I mean the whole thing is so dumb right?
Posted Saturday January 27, 2007 5:44:32 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by nerzog in reply to jeter2
Here's what I propose;
Every Democrat on TV should start referring to Republicans as RepubliCONS. I'm sure they'll just love it.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 5:24:06 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by freakagriep in reply to nerzog
Only a democrat would say that the word democrat is a slur, and whine about it incessantly on the internet.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 5:39:18 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by nerzog in reply to freakagriep
Only a Troglodyte Dittobot would defend Bush's use of the phrase "Democrat Party" as anything but an intentional partisan dig. The sad thing is that Bush is such a sophomoric moron that he would do such a childish thing.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 5:56:58 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by freakagriep in reply to nerzog
"Troglodyte Dittobot"
That's so hurtful to me, sir! That is a slur! I don't know what the heck it means, but it sounds so hurtful!
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 5:58:28 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by ajwan in reply to freakagriep
Nerzo never explicitly called you a Troglodyte Dittobot, but interesting that right away you found the description befit you.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:14:50 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by freakagriep in reply to ajwan
Um, how can i think the description befits me if i admit to not knowing it's meaning? Can you read?
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:17:15 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by ajwan in reply to freakagriep
That's so hurtful to me, sir!
How can it be hurtful to you if you don't understand what it means. umm maybe you are just really sensitive.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:32:26 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by freakagriep in reply to ajwan
I'm not as sensitive as you guys! You get all worked up over 2 LETTERS missing from a word. Think about that for a second.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:35:33 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by bittermarv in reply to freakagriep
As someone who isn't sensitive, you sure are posting a lot about something that isn't an issue and doesn't matter to you.
Maybe while you're having someone lookup that big "troglodyte" word, you might want to have them tell you what "sensitive" means. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:42:02 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by tommy in reply to bittermarv
Contact the DeWitt County Democrat Party..........they need to be informed of their insensitivity and offensiveness of their existence, apparently.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:43:29 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by bittermarv in reply to tommy
No, I suspect they need to be notified of a grammatical error or typo.
How do you really expect to be taken seriously if that's the best argument you've got?
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:53:49 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by evergreen in reply to bittermarv
Bittermarv,Tommy is correct. Many local Democratic Party chapters throughout the South refer to themselves as the "Democrat Party." There's nothing unusual or insulting about this. It's simply local dialect. It may be ungrammatical, but that's the way they've done it for decades.People need to drop this issue. It makes them look ridiculous.
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 11:32:41 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by ajwan in reply to freakagriep
It's not about 2 letters. According to your reasoning when a country declares war, they are only using a three letter word so it's all inconsequential.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:50:58 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by bittermarv in reply to nerzog
I'd rather not stoop to their level.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:52:06 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by freakagriep
From the DeWitt County, Illinois Democrat's webpage:
DeWitt County Democrat Party
PO Box 62
Wapella, IL 61777
http://www.il-democrats.org/DeWitt/calendar.html
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 5:50:28 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by tommy in reply to freakagriep
You don't think they're out to undermine their own party, do you?
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 5:53:39 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by freakagriep in reply to tommy
Oh they must be! How could they use such a hateful "slur" in describing themselves! That's so self-demeaning!
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 5:54:31 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by nerzog in reply to freakagriep
Wow.
How long did you have to search for that little example of ignorance?
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:04:52 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by freakagriep in reply to nerzog
well, take a look at the times on the entries, genius. not that long!
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:07:13 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by ajwan in reply to freakagriep
Genius, oh tell us what you used for a google search to find this fine example. Google doesn't bring up calendar pages of a county level group at the top of its search results unless the search is highly specific. It is highly improbable anyone could find this page "quickly" with a generalized search.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:44:36 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by tommy in reply to ajwan
What difference does that make? Are you denying it's there?
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:48:15 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by ajwan in reply to tommy
Of course not. I was sketical of the claim it was found quickly as if to infer it is somehow the norm. Which obviously it's not. Do you deny Newt recommended using this phrasse as a way to denigrate the democratic party?
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:56:07 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by freakagriep in reply to ajwan
try going to wikipedia and looking up "democrat party" there's more than just one example, too.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:48:44 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by therick in reply to freakagriep
We'll contact them about this incorrect usage. In the meantime, it's informative (and not surprising) that you employ the age old 'Two wrongs make a right' argument to back up your ignorance.
Very Limbaughesque. Sort of like being taught by a college drop-out. . . Oh wait. . .
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:48:06 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by tommy in reply to therick
No, it has nothing to do with two wrongs. It goes to the manufactured hysteria over something so ridiculous that it's even used within your own party. So how offensive is it, really? If you don't find that silly, well, it is.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:50:32 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by bittermarv in reply to tommy
Only a troll would keep asking a question that has been repeatedly answered. If you're not interested in reading others' posts, how about just shutting up already?
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:57:09 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by therick in reply to tommy
I don't find that silly, and therefore it isn't.
A Democrat is a member of the DEMOCRATIC Party.
As written above, the word Democrat is a noun, and the word Democratic is an adjective. Therefore, to say 'Democrat Party' is incorrect. Furthermore, we know why they do it, and that's what is silly. But, we expect that from Republicans.
Perhaps you think it to be perfectly acceptable for our leaders to exhibit their illiteracy.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:58:27 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by ajwan in reply to tommy
False premise. Someone found one calendar web page where it's used by a small Democratic organization. To stretch that to "it's even used within your own party" is ridiculous based on the evidence.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 7:02:06 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by freakagriep in reply to ajwan
from [link to www.knowledgemessenger.com] />
(Democrat Party leaders in a precinct)
from
http://democrat.whitleynet.org/
Whitley County Democrat Party
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 7:32:11 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by therick in reply to freakagriep
The headline says "Jefferson County Democrats" which is correct usage of the word.
I'm beginning to think that you really don't know how to use the word. Do you know what a noun is?
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 7:38:32 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by freakagriep in reply to therick
from the same site:
Senator Hanna has represented here constituents in her Lakewood senate district, and the people of Colorado very well and has demonstrated leadership and commitment to the Jefferson County Democrat Party over many years. Her legislation in the Colorado State Senate has benefited all Coloradans.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 7:42:14 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by freakagriep in reply to ajwan
From democrats.com:
"Please join me in the virtual march on Washington to end the Iraq war"
IRAQ is a noun, but the democrats are using it as an ADJECTIVE
it should be the WAR IN IRAQ
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 7:35:10 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by therick in reply to freakagriep
You're half right. They are not using Iraq as an adjective. Iraq is a place (Remember? Person place or thing? Actually, it would be a pronoun because it is the proper name of the place), and it is therefore used correctly.
The reason you're half right, however, is because 'the war in Iraq' would also be correct.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 7:50:15 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by evergreen in reply to therick
>>>You're half right. They are not using Iraq as an adjective. Iraq is a place (Remember? Person place or thing? Actually, it would be a pronoun because it is the proper name of the place), and it is therefore used correctly.<<<Rick -- sorry - I usually agree with you, but this is silly. First, guess you meant proper noun, not pronoun. But the main thing is that in "Iraq war," "Iraq" is a noun being used an adjective. Many words can be used as different parts of speech. Baseball is a noun, but in baseball player, it's an adjective.
Posted Saturday January 27, 2007 11:28:47 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by bittermarv in reply to tommy
The idea, of course, is more than just dropping two letters from a word. It's about relabelling the opposition, and then attaching a new connotation to the new adjective "democrat" -- all in the same way that the word "liberal" was tarred to the point it's now a pejorative. The incorrect usage as it stands now is mostly just annoying, and childish at that.
If this isn't a big deal, how about if thpse speaking in this grammatically incorrect way, starting with the President, just stop doing it? They're clearly doing it on purpose, and if they know it's both wrong and annoying to their opposition, why would they continue while at the same time talking about bi-partisanship? By dropping those two letters, they're demonstrating that they're more concerned about perpetuating childish, boorish behavior than actually working together with the opposition to do something good for this country.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 6:49:49 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by ajwan in reply to bittermarv
You bring up maybe the most important part of this argument. If Jane tells Tom to stop doing something because she finds it offensive, It's up to Tom to stop the offensive behaviour. It's not up to Tom to determine what is offensive to Jane or not.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 7:20:31 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by bittermarv in reply to ajwan
And it's disrespectful for it to continue after the offended party has asked for it to stop.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 7:33:28 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by dittohead15 in reply to bittermarv
we're sorry
we'll go back to "babykillers"
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 7:52:14 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by therick in reply to dittohead15
Please do. It would be more direct, and would be less vauge as to what you're party is trying to do.
Or better yet, try to stand on the merits of your side of the debate. Cant do that? Not our problem.
Posted Thursday January 25, 2007 8:23:04 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by rusty shackleford
Wow, some conservatives really get agitated about something they think is silly and unworthy of mention. They should grow a pair.
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 9:13:05 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by evergreen
People - this has to stop. You all sound like idiots.(and why can I not seem to get my paragraphs to break?)"Democrat Party" is a Southern usage. Democrats throughout the South have used it for decades. Only recently (10-15 years?) have Democrats elsewhere started to notice and decided they were being insulted.There is no insult here. Except in your own perceptions. As a lifelong liberal Democrat, I have heard much worse insults directed my way. Liberals need to stand up for the things they believe - a fair and equitable society that looks out for those in need, a foreign policy that relies on diplomacy before bombs, etc. etc.Please do not continue to be distracted by petty issues. And this Democrat thing, in particular, is not even an issue. You're wasting your breath and your energy and diverting attention from some serious issues.Let's work to end this freaking war, and to bring health care to everyone, and to balance the budget. Let's not worry about "-ic."
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 11:41:59 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by bittermarv in reply to evergreen
Idisagree.
There's a difference between getting upset about it, and taking note of it. When the President, who has repeatedlly asked that there be bipartisanship (now that his party lost control of the Congress, oddly enough) in his most important speach of the year makes such a childish dig at the opposition, it needs to be noted. It shows that, as we've seen all along, Bush is about lip service and little else. It's like the coded language on abortion he used during the 2004 debates. He's throwing red meat to his party to say "Look, I'm saying one thing, but WE know I don't really mean it."
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 2:48:25 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by evergreen in reply to bittermarv
>>>When the President … makes such a childish dig at the opposition, it needs to be noted. <<<
Marv, I think you’re giving Bush way too much credit here. I don’t think he knew he was saying anything that would be perceived as an insult. I think he was simply talking the way he talks.
Posted Saturday January 27, 2007 11:43:11 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Sams Computer in reply to evergreen
Hi EVERGREEN...
To make a new paragraph you’ll have to Pre-edit your comments in a separate Word Processing Program.
I have the same situation and that’s my only solution. None of the other buttons work for me either. Question ... Are you on a Mac OS X Computer? When I have some time I’m going to try my Windows OS computer to see if it works there. I sent an e-mail to MMFA about this subject.
NOW ... On the other concern you have. All those issues your worried about will never be addressed if the Democrats don’t take back our great country. Democrats can’t afford to be timid anymore. To take back the White House Democrats have to answer the aggressive tactics and low blows being delivered by a Party that has declared War on the your cherished Democrats. It’s timid people like yourself that need to stand up for your Party and make a stand.
The people making a stand to defend your Democrats are not “Idiots”, as you said. If you’re truly a Liberal Democrat, then why are you suddenly here supporting Conservatives who are busy attacking your Party? I’m beginning to suspect and smell something fishy about you? You don’t behave like the Democrats I know and admire.
I think you’ve got to be a “Republican’t” and you’re hiding in a “Democrat” Halloween costume.
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 3:19:48 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by evergreen in reply to Sams Computer
Sam,
My mother still breaks out into tears when she thinks of FDR or JFK. My brother was working for RFK on the day he was murdered. My first vote for president was for George McGovern. Please don't question my sincerity simply because I disagree with you on this ridiculous issue.
I didn't say you were idiots. I said you "sound like idiots," and I'll stand by that. The people who are fussing about this sound petty and misinformed.
Thanks for the tip on the paragraph marks. Yes, I'm on a Mac.
Posted Saturday January 27, 2007 11:39:50 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Sams Computer in reply to evergreen
EVERGREEN,
I’m Now putting you on Notice: If the practice of dropping the "IC" from "Democratic Party" doesn't face a TOUGH fight right here and now, then it will Stick. The Docile, Nice, Democrats like yourself will once again allow Republicants to define them.
I point to Democrats like yourself for Bush being in the White House. You won’t stand up an fight. They are waging a War against your Party and your busy supporting your enemy. Hey, that’s you free choice, so go for it.
Indeed, You are allowing the Republicants to deliver a sorry insult directly into our Dictionary. If you don't make your stand now to fight for "Democratic," then you cannot fight for the Democratic Party.
Evergreen, I’ve been to the Dictionary, but it’s not in touch with what’s happening today as we speak in the realm of politics.
If you truly honor the Truth then go to the internet and Google “Democrat” - Political Words - Etc. It has nothing to do with usage or correctness. It has to do with Intent.
It’s about the intention of the word. It’s about what the victim feels and hears when the word is used on him. Nothing at all to do with grammatical usage or correctness.
Posted Saturday January 27, 2007 12:03:55 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by evergreen in reply to Sams Computer
I take it back. If you believe this, then you are an idiot. I'm going to stop wasting my time here.
Posted Saturday January 27, 2007 1:34:32 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Sams Computer in reply to evergreen
Hi EVERGREEN...
You Said:
“If you believe this, then you are an idiot. I'm going to stop wasting my time here.”
Well Evergreen, I forgive you for labeling me an Idiot. I also forgive you for saying, Other people here are like Idiots too, when they post what they believe is true. - You Said :
“People - this has to stop. You all sound like Idiots”
Instead of calling you an idiot, I have admired your passionate stand on this trivial word usage by Conservatives. I have described you as a Nice, Docile Democratic Person on a Passionate Crusade. That’s really a complement, if you stop to think about it for a second.
If you think you know it all, and refuse to expand your mind any further, then fine. Remember though, It can get very lonesome at the top, when your perfect and always right. - - - If people here exercise their right to disagree with you, is it your practice to dismiss them as IDIOTS, and run away in anger and disgust?
If this is true, then please don’t let the door slap you on the ass on the way out of here.
P.S. I’m glad I could help you with your paragraph problem. I use Pages and Paste into FireFox or Safari. See you later if you change your mind about wasting your time here.
Posted Saturday January 27, 2007 3:24:17 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by evergreen in reply to Sams Computer
>>> I have described you as a Nice, Docile Democratic Person on a Passionate Crusade. That’s really a complement, ... Remember though, It can get very lonesome at the top, when your perfect and always right. <<<Sam - you misspelled "compliment," capitalized several words that shouldn't be capitalized, and left the apostrophe out of "you're." I just find this to be such an insult. Why are you directing grammatical errors at me? Are you trying to demean me?
Posted Sunday January 28, 2007 12:52:25 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Chromium
There is no slur!
Check out the reference The Merriam-Webster Dictionary of English Usage for the entry "attributive". It states:
Attributive is an adjective that describes the position of a modifier directly in front of the word it modifies: black tie, silly remark, big toe, kitchen sink, lobster salad, computer terminal. That nouns can function like adjectives in this position is a feature of English noticed as long ago as Lindley Murray 1795...
Later, they go on to cite from a single page of a journal from 1986 that yields 15 examples.
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 5:49:55 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Sams Computer in reply to Chromium
Thanks SHOWME...
Thank you for your comment. I’ve been to the Dictionary, but it’s not in touch with what’s happening today as we speak.
It’s about the intention of the word. It’s about what the victim feels and hears when the word is said. Nothing at all to do with grammatical usage or correctness.
I fully respect your opinion. If you’ll do some further studies you may find interesting info about the use of words in Politics. I won’t point you to any particular WebSite, because you may choose to somehow use it against me.
Just for the heck of it run a Google on “Democrat”. That is where you’ll find what’s happening today with words in politics. Perhaps then you’ll see why I boldly and bravely make my stand once and for all against attacks, both large and small.
Democrats, I’m Now putting you on Notice: If the practice of dropping the "IC" from "Democratic Party" doesn't face a fight right here and now, then it will stay. The Docile, Democrats will once again allow Republicants to define them.
Indeed, they will have allowed the Republicants to deliver a sorry insult directly into our Dictionary. If you don't make your stand now to fight for "Democratic," then you cannot fight for the Democratic Party.
Posted Friday January 26, 2007 7:31:47 PM EST / Flag this comment