that can corrupt the education system

While the comment he made sound rude, I have to agree with the argument. When I see kids in highschool that can barely speak english, and expect to graduate barely knowing how to read or speak english, how can you argue it does not bring the system down. What happened to "Rasing the bar" in education? If that is the point he is makeing, I support it.

I am not putting the blame soley on the kids, but some, yes some.

And when I lived in Venezuela, I got the paddle often.

On the bright side, I can not stand to listen to O.

here's a little something to discuss

from splcenter.org, the web site of the southern poverty law center. "prudhomme was murdered because he identified himself as black [he was in fact mixed race] in a neighborhood occupied by one of the many latino street gangs in los angeles county." the story goes on to document "ethnic cleansing" of blacks targeted by street gangs for being in the wrong neighborhood.

Mr.O'Reilly knows nothing about Ed in Mex or C.A.

As usual, Bill cannot keep his mouth shut. For the record, in Mexico and Central America, students would never dare to say Fyou to a teacher. Not because of fear of punishment, but out of respect. Unlike US students, students south of the border do respect their teachers because teachers are respected in the community. I'm from El Salvador, I studied in El salvador up to eight grade and then came to this country and the student-teacher relationships here were just nonexistan. I would like to know where did Bill teach school in Mexico or C.A. ... with a teacher like him... fyou would not be enough.

Teachers here

Have no authority anymore. Parent hardley punish children. There is a lady here in Cali that wants to make it a crime to "Paddle" children under 3. WTF is her perogative? We are raising a bunch of sissies in America. Ultra-Tolerance has taken the spotlight, and left real world experience out. Blame the system, from the parents all the way up to the State.

Oh sure

"Teachers here Have no authority anymore. Parent hardley punish children. There is a lady here in Cali that wants to make it a crime to "Paddle" children under 3. WTF is her perogative? We are raising a bunch of sissies in America."

Right, let's beat those toddlers. That'll toughen them up and make fine, upstanding citizens of them!

P.S. The correct spelling is "prerogative", so maybe you have a point there after all. A few more beatings might have made you more attentive to your spelling lessons.

Listen you babbling moron

I said paddle. GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT! And yes, I am a highschool dropout. Feel better about yourself Butthead? Is that the best you can do?

You share the same setiments....

as Bill Gates who said the whole system of education is outdated and can't be fixed in this generation...America is screwed in the technology fields...

...

Maybe Bill Gates should, you know, try paying Americans instead of Indians to program his software. There are plenty of brilliant American programmers.

huh?

"liberals are the ones bringing racism back into the country"... How do you get that? That's some twisted logic (if 'logic' is the word for it...)

sorry...

...looks like the person I was responding to (and the comments) were booted.

LOLOLOL

I was going to say, "hugh???"

How do?

Illegal immigrants get to vote "D" again? Since they can't vote? Just wondering if you could enlighten me on this as well as the rest of your tirade that I couldn't quite figure out what it was all about. Basically, blanket statements that can't really be backed up with anything.

you fool

all they need like many do is a fake SS# and bam, you have the right to vote. You aware they broke the law when they crossed the border? Do I get a "Get out of jail free" card?

Then why

do California and Texas and Arizona have so many Republicans in office?

Maybe the illegal immigrants are voting Republican.

LOLOLOL

So you are saying it NEVER happens?

CA

The only Republican, for the most part, in California is Ahhnold.........and he wants to give illegal immigrants free health care. Both legislatures are controlled by Democrats.

Correct

I was originally going to type "California has a Republican governor" but I shortened it - to poor effect.

Doesn't explain Arizona and Texas though.

Arnold

Arnold a Republican? Are you people freaking crazy?

Gttn

Arnold is a Republican by party affiliation. His recent proposals and governing would suggest otherwise, however.

other than

Healthcare for illegals kids, I think he is well balanced. I stand more in the middle like him.

I'm amazed...

...at the insight shown by all those illegal Mexicans voting in our American elections. Saw right through Arnolds republican facade even before he took office, and voted him in there. Meanwhile, the republicans - the very party who cheered him into the limelight - were fooled, eh? Let's see, where else has that happened? Hmmm, I'm thinking shrubbery for some reason...

Oh well, I don't know if you can blame the US education system directly, but it IS a shame that illegal Mexicans are smarter than American conservatives, eh?

You are flat out wrong

There are several very conservative parts of California. Orange County, San Bernardino county, Parts of San Diego county. Saying Arnold is the only Republican in Cal is so ludicrous its laughable.

Again?

Did you crap your gray matter again, Rusty? So many Republicans in office in California??? A bit of friendly advice, Rusty: try a little WD-40 on your rust-bucket before you talk about California politics again.

if you break one law

to improve your quality of life, what makes you think that person wouldnt break another? so naive.

....

Mike? Mike Savage is that you?

answer

the question

.....

"if you break one law to improve your quality of life, what makes you think that person wouldnt break another?"

Nothing, but then again I am not psychic.

Just because some cheats on there taxes, does it mean the same person is going to rob a bank? Maybe they will, maybe they won't.

What's your point?

Nothing

That is the right answer. Many Mexican illegals that have been sent back home have been sent back up to 6 or more times. Therefore, breaking tyhe laws over abd over again.

Somebody stop me!

Heck, today I was speeding (at least 1 mph over the speed limit) and I jay-walked. I am a one man crime-spree and I never emigrated illegally to begin with.

The original question was just silly. Most of us break at least one law a day often without even realizing it or trying. Pretending that illegal immigrants are any better or any worse because they broke an immigration law instead of a traffic violation is just stereotyping at its worst.

Open

is that the only law they break? How about.

Fake SS# Fake Drivers L No Insurance Fake contractors license. Welfare

ect ect.

It adds up.

To be sure.

I see what you are getting at. I read the question apparently a little differently than you did. I read it that murder, rape, assault (violent crimes), were all more somehow more likely to be committed by illegal aliens simply because the person/people broke an immigration law. A so called "slippery slope" argument. Maybe I misread or misunderstood it.

If it was stated that breaking immigration laws necessitates breaking other laws like the ones you mentioned, I would agree with you. More laws may be broken, yes, but it is all really a continuation of the same original crime from my perspective.

What?

Let me know the bubble you're living in. I'm thinking about getting the hell out of Mexifornia.

What's holding you back?

If you don't like it, then leave. What does that have to do with my post?

Wrong Bill...

The problems in our public schools is LACK of respect for adults/authority. The kids know what they can get away with...The BLAME clearly lies with the coddling of our youth beginning with parents too busy [or uninterested] in instilling good manners & respect at home and extending to the state Dept.of Educations around the country which have literally tied the hands of school teachers & school administrators from disciplining these unruly spoiled brats because of fear of law suits brought by the parents. It's now a vicious circle.

While it's easy to place BLAME on ILLEGAL immigration for some of our country's ills...I'd bet MOST of the troublemakers are born & bred right here in the U.S.

...I'd bet MOST of the troublemakers are born & bred right here in the U.S.

You are right. Cause, I imagine most of the Mexican kids here in the bay are where born here in America from Illegal Alien parents.

Misguided

I've heard some teachers and school administrators make the point that the Hispanic students are among the better behaved, respectful and hardest workers in the high school. It's the white, upper middle-class to upper class kids you've got to watch out for.

lolololol

Those damned pink penines.

Hey Evil,

I live in an affluent, lily white Massachusetts suburb, where you'd be hard-pressed to find more than 2 or 3 minority families, let alone ILLEGAL immigrant families.

There have been numerous incidents at our High School involving those lily white kids born right here in the USA. And the "incidents" mostly involve these sweet kids telling teaches off...and VERY FEW being disciplined for it.

teachers

hands are tied.

What about thier parents?

Where does the responsibility of the parents in your scenario?

Didn't

I make mention of that in my first post? Yes, it starts at the parent level.

wait

it was my second post.

"Blame the system, from the parents all the way up to the State. "

Sure

but the responsibility for a child's behavior starts with and ends with their parents. Not the system and not with teachers.

I would never dream of behaving in the manner that many children and adults do because my parent's would not tolerate that type of behavior.

I agree with you

However, I still feel teachers have thier hands tied. I read a while back, a city back east was going to stop publishing the name of graduating students in the local paper. Why you ask? They feel it may hurt the children that did not graduate. How pathetic is that....?

I know

but your implying that if teachers had more tools to discipline the kids there wouldn't be as many problems.

The reality is that many of the parents have either checked out or are too lazy or selfish to be involved in their children's lives...

It's too easy to blame the system for these failures.

I am not blaming the teachers

I am blaming the parents, and the system. I happen to have more respect for teachers than any one of our damned politicians. When I say thier hands are tied, I mean in a political way. If a kids yelled at me, I would come down so hard on her/him it would make thier head spin. How about a Dunce hat and put the kid in the corner of the room. But is that allowed any more? NO! Why? You might hurt the kids feelings...... !Teachers have thier hands tied.

Can't really blame politicians.

Politicians aren't really responsible for "tying the hands" of teachers, unless you are willing to blame the thousands of elected school board members to a small degree for conforming to the realities of the current legal environment.

It is mostly due to potential liability from lawsuits. It turns out that parents don't want teachers or administrators touching their kids at all. It is a reasonable stance by the parents. I can see how they are concerned about that.

How do you solve the problem. We cannot take away the legitimate right parents' right to sue. There are legitimate cases where teachers/administrators obviously go too far and limiting lawsuits might get them a blank check to turn schools into Abu Ghraib. The school corps. cannot afford one slip-up by a teacher, so they will limit what punishment can be given often discounting corporal punishment.

I don't think there is a viable alternative to the way it is currently done. If you change the system, you will inevitably just shift the problem to a new area.

The way the school system works is a given. It cannot practically be altered at this point.

Therefore the focus of any criticism should be on the part that can change -- the parents. That is the real failure. Today's parents just aren't doing as good a job as previous generations. It is really that simple.

"teachers hands are tied."...by evillib1727

Hey Evil I believe I mentioned THAT in my first post [scroll up & re-read] jeter2 / Friday January 19, 2007 12:33:36 PM EST

YOUR argument was that it was only ILLEGAL immigrants or children of ILLEGAL immigrants that were troublemakers. I'd be more inclined to say kids from EVERY background should be included.

The problems of discipline in our schools is widespread and includes a variety of demographics. Including white kids born here. Parents don't do the job at home...and teachers & administrators often find their hands tied thanks to the grand Pooh-Bahs running our educational system in this country that have decided that PUNISHMENT might hurt the kids feelings...oh and piss off the parents who could file a law suit because junior got yelled at.

We need a wake-up call in this country!

YOUR argument was that it was only ILLEGAL immigrants

No, I did not say only.

This is a little deeper than parents

that are not involved, Jeter2. Some years ago, my youngest came home from school one day and basically told me I couldn't physically discipline him. He got that information from his teachers. Outside of one small slap (that scared him more than hurt him), we did not resort to physical discipline with any of the kids. The small slap was my response to him for using language I would not tolerate, never have heard him use it since. Couple this with the "feel good" climate (don't list grades, graduates, no awards for achievement, etc) of the education system along with parents that are not involved, too busy earning a living to be involved, are also children of the "feel good" climate, who want to be best friends rather than parents and you can see why there is a decline in respect for authority in this country.

I agree 100% Oscar...

And I did mention as much in my 2 prior posts. The Dept. of Education, as well as School Boards are impeding teachers & administrators from being able to discipline the unruly kids in school. I still maintain they are MOSTLY afraid of the parents who threaten law suits if junior gets dragged down to the office. No doubt teachers & administrators are ALSO being indoctrinated into a system that rewards mediocrity and discourages competition.

One of our boys [we have 3] once accused his Mom of being a drug addict because she was drinking a cup of coffee....the teacher had included Caffeine as part of her lesson about addictive drugs and said people drinking coffee were addicts!. We laughed about it, BUT that's only the tip of the iceberg of course.

Back when I was a kid classrooms were set up in rows. Worked just fine. Back when our 3 sons were in elementary school my wife went to pick them up but thought she'd stop in to visit her best friend--a first grade teacher--she found the teacher's desk placed by the door, her back to the desks & chairs. My wife laughed & asked "What are you the receptionist?" Her friend rolled her eyes and explained that at a recent Teachers Workshop *the powers that be* thought that setting up the classroom this way showed the kids --you trusted them. Keep in mind these are 6 year olds! Nutty if you ask me...

Jeter and Oscar

You both said it well.

Well Jeter

Caffeine is a drug, but just like cigarettes it isn't dangerously mind altering except for that temporary boosts it gives you. My kid's 28 and of course caffeine was included in her lists of drugs along with nicotine when she was being taught about drugs and drug use. We discussed it and mutually agreed that coffee used in moderation is fine and not harmful to one’s health. Over use of caffeine is associated with some medical conditions, including kidney stones and it aggravates fibrocystic disease of the breast, which is a common condition in women. Well wouldn’t you know it, as soon as my daughter got in college she became a caffeine addict for the usual reason… pulling all nighters to finish term papers so you load up on caffeine. Now maybe when her breasts start aching she lighten up on the coffee. I must confess however that I must have a morning cup of coffee to get me going.

Amazing

Sorry to hear that, Jeter. This is why we home-schooled for the first few years and now pay for private school.

We can go a little further back in history,

Jeter2 (think I probably have more than a couple of years on you). When I was in school, I knew whatever problem I got into at school would be minor to the discipline I would face at home (no physical contact, unless you count swamping out cow pens and digging ditches by hand as extreme). Now, it seems, parents are more involved in seeing that the teacher is "punished" when Johnny acts up (because it ain't really his fault, you know). Respect for authority needs to come from home, but as noted before today's parents grew up in the more "permissive" education atmosphere and this needs to change before change can be made up the line.

Pretty funny.

"One of our boys [we have 3] once accused his Mom of being a drug addict because she was drinking a cup of coffee...." --Jeter2

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I know what you are talking about. I want my children to be conscious of what they put in their bodies, but it is just different way of teaching than when we were kids.

I have a story similar to yours. I was standing in line at the grocery checkout with my then 9 or 10 year old daughter. As I was putting some beer on the counter to purchase (BTW, I only drink 2 or 3 times a year and even then, my max is 2 drinks). Anyway as I am putting up the beer, my daughter says "Daddy, I don't like it when you drink." in her sweet mousy voice. I was really caught off guard and a little embarrassed because it could be interpreted easily like I was some angry alcoholic child/wife-beater. I was too shocked to say anything in response and the cashier gave me a suspicious sideways glance. It turns out that my daughter just learned in class about the dangers of drugs (including alcohol) and was speaking in regards to the general dangers of alcohol.

I guess I really don't mind her thinking alcohol is bad, so it was hard to really say much about it to her later.

We pretty severely limit the amount of caffeine the kids drink as well. Something interesting I saw about Caffeine (maybe a real doctor can tell me if it is true), but on ER, a TV show that seems to pride itself on accuracy, a guy came in with cardiac arrest. They gave him a shot of caffeine to stimulate his heart.

Maybe the medical effect of caffeine has been underplayed.

Oh my...

Oh my God!!! Kids telling teachers off and not being reprimanded? Call in the National Guard!!! On second thought, send the Guard to Mexifornia where the "hispanic" gangs treat murder as a "right" of passage.

Stephen's back, at top form, one year later.

Right away on The Colbert Report, this pervert immediately reacts to the audience by taking a stab at Jon Stewart... I don't recall specifically what was said... and then Stephen chimes in that he agrees...

That JS is a "sexual predator"...

And then SC looks point-blank right at this pervert, and says:

"I guess you don't know much about sexual predators?", or something to that effect.

And that's as good a way as any to have started things off, with a truthful reference to "sexual predators", right to the pervert's face...

...it took the hot air right out of him, to be branded by SC like that, right at the start...

He was as docile and as timid as a kitten, from then on out... the pervert was.

Colbert and Cohen

There is something about this "new" (is it new?) brand of comic that I really like... I don't have TV but I download and watch Stephen Colbert and Sacha Baron Cohen a lot.

Nobody, it seems, can do the old "issue comedy" (cf. Lenny Bruce, George Carlin) without seeming preachy - these guys have an edge - and are, you know, funny.

Anyway, I'll d/l the O'Reilly interview, but I'll probably have to watch it through my fingers. After a good stiff drink...

Stephen's WH correspondents satire was a classic for the ages

It's true, that with the exceptions of funerals and tax audits and divorce proceedings, almost everything is made better by injecting humor into it.

And what SC does is unequaled... rather than oppose the madness of our "media", he embraces it like no other... his mimicry of the over-the-top biased "pundit" (and the self-serious way in which he does it) is hilarious...

...it's as powerful a medicine for what might otherwise anger or sadden you, humor is...

...and it's a weapon against those same ones, who might anger and perhaps sadden you, humor is.

And the great thing is, that these truly destructive "pundits", such as the pervert o'reilly and his whole bunch over there at Fox News Channel...

...they are completely without this medicine, and this weapon...

...they have not the least bit of humor in them.

And they wouldn't even know humor... even if they stepped into a steaming pile of it.

......

Where is the outrage about American students sayin F... you to teachers and the lack of respect?

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com] [link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

I chose to ignore Picco for fear of losing brain cells?

The same things that bill o'idiot ignorantly applies to the entire immigrant population can easily be attribute to a segment of our own native population and he knows it.

Native Population

Bill should have cleared it up by saying, Kids born from Illegal Aliens. Cause the kids born here on American soil are, well , you know. Native.

.....

What about the assholes kids without Illegal immigrant parents?

Illegal immigration is a problem, but the hate displayed toward illegal immigrants can easily spill over to legal immigrants.

I have a big problem with this attitude towards immigrants. Racism is out of vogue in this country for most people, those millions of racist in America didn't just disappear they've either had a change of heart (Unlikely), gone underground or just shifted their sights to immigrants.

Monk

The issue is illegal immigration, not legal immigration. There are racists sprinkled in every ideology in every region of this country, sadly. But to accuse those who want tough immigration laws and our borders strictly enforced as having any racist element is inflammatory and unfair.

Fair enough....

Although my perspective as an Black male in this country may vary from yours. You are right the I shouldn't assign racism to people who take a tough stance against illegal immigration and in truth I don't asign it to all. I have heard and read things where people talk of Illegal immigrants as if they are less than human and no it's not everybody, but it is enough voices to soften my stance a bit.

Less that human

I may make harsh remarks at time, but they stem from anger/ frustration..

Yes

This is about Illegals. I do not in any way believe in rewarding people for breaking the laws. Where is American Justice?

We don't need foreigners corrupting our school sytems!

We're doing a damn good job of it already with REAL Americans.

real

Americans?

Corporal punishment is not the answer

Bill was beaten as a child, so obviously he wants to pass on that wonderful tradition.

Let me get this straight,

They're already corrupt (where this came from only BO knows) and they come to the US and become more corrupt? What exactly is he arguing here? That all Mexicans are corrupt?

My head hurts.

All

Mexicans are not all corrupt. It's only the people in the government, civil service, the Army and the police force who are corrupt. The peasants selling Chicklets at the border are fine, "upstanding" people.

But on the bright side.

No income tax at all.

Paradise.

Still Not Fact Checking

Oh Bill O' when will you learn that people can check your mindless assertions just by looking on the Internet.

OK here's my point:

1. Bill makes a point in relation to hispanic drop-out rates. Among youth ages 16 to 24, Hispanics accounted for 40 percent of all high school dropouts in 2004. That stat in and of itself doesn't look good. But one must also consider, that hispanics only made up 17 percent of the total youth population.

2. Bill's premise and that of the callers is that hispanics somehow spread their 3rd world values or at least that is the fear-mongering tactic employed in his rant. Well let's see what the truth is. Dropout rates of young people ages 16 to 24 in the civilian, non-institutionalized population gradually declined between 1972 and 2004, from 15 percent to a low of 10 percent in 2003, where the rate remained in 2004.

So, it looks like Miffy & Biff are not totally buying into the "3rd World Values" of Juan & Maria.

3. Now the following is not significant, however it is progress. Rates among Hispanic youth have declined from 30 percent in 1998 to 24 percent in 2004.

The above info and much more may be found at: [link to www.childtrendsdatabank.org]

Why?

Is the answer for this guy always violence?

"Why? ...always violence?"

Uhhhh... because he's basically a thug?

That's how bullies do it

He's a bully, that's why. He knows no other method. Plus he was beaten into submission, and now wants to do it to others. Pretty simple.

I'm from Sweden. ANY corporal punishment of children is illegal. We did not get any grades in school until second semester of 7th grade (age 14).

I don't know how that country manages to always end up ranked somewhere in the top when it comes to primary education, and always above the United States. You know, without beating the children and telling them how much they suck at age 9.

What, pray tell, is exactly a third world value system.....?

and how does it corrupt the EDUCATIONAL system...? Poor people trying to make a living = CORRUPTION...!!

ahhhh

Here is your "1 day pass" for the poor people.

Please lay off the distilled spirits, my man....

you do not make any sense...

Do not post or operate heavy machinery

The most frequently observed adverse reactions to Vicodin include lightheadedness, dizziness, sedation, nausea, and vomiting. Other adverse reactions include drowsiness, mental clouding, lethargy, impairment of mental and physical performance, anxiety, fear, dysphoria, psychic dependence, mood changes.

LOLOLOL

Funny, I am on Vicoden again!

see

I can not even spell it right! Vicodin!

What I am saying

is "Poor People" has no basis in this argument. Get over the compassion and use your brain.

Evil said to

"Get over the compassion and use your brain." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Okay, BET! as soon as you start using you brain sweetie! Seriously, smarts and compassion go well together. Try it one day.

Where does Bill O come up with this stuff?

Does he write his own material? Maybe thats the problem, he doesnt have a handler.

Wow

They are deleteing posts quiker than I can read them.... LOLOLOL

Hmmm....

methinks a lot of posts are getting flagged and deleted like all the Enron files....

LOLOLOLOl

They are. I had one deleted, and am now on probation. Awwwweeeee

Dude

You're my favorite conservative! Don't get banned.

Thanks Rusty, must be the Liberal in me.

And I did step out of line now that I think about what I wrote.

No Rusty!!!

"Dude[EvilLib]You're my favorite conservative! Don't get banned."...by rusty shackleford

=====

Rusty please don't encourage EvilLib! [I'm hoping you wrote that with a tad of sarcasm?]

Anyway, I would have figured I'd be your favorite Conservative [sitting here pouting]

;-)

J2

No sarcasm at all - I like Evillib, even though we usually disagree. He speaks his mind without guile or pretense, and he takes his lumps good-naturedly. Plus, he's a bass player, and you should always be nice to the bass player.

Much love to you as well, though. You're named after my favorite baseballer, after all!

Evillib

Rusty,

Your kindness and good nature and humor towards evillib has re-opened my eyes towards him a while ago. I think he has a good heart and is very candid with his own thoughts. He does play the bass like my daughter does as well ( -my favorite instrument).

To be sure, he is no Jeter2, who is probably one of the most fair-minded, moderate and honest posters I have ever read. To compare them, they are apples and oranges, but I like apples and I like oranges even though they are different.

Jeter, Rusty, Open, Solon, and many others are very cool

I have to admit, I am a bit out of my league here. I am not well schooled, and never payed attention to politics prior to a couple years ago. However, my heart is deep in some of these subjets, and that is what drives me.

Hey Evil,

I was just kidding around in my post to Rusty...PLEASE don't take it personally!!

I mostly wanted to kid him because he named YOU as his favorite Conservative rather than me.

I enjoy your posts , and you are NOT out of your league here! I'm truly sorry if I made you feel like you were. If I didn't consider you an informed intelligent poster I wouldn't have bothered replying to your posts.

No hard feelings I hope :-)

Back at ya open_mind,

I also consider you to be one of the most fair-minded, moderate and honest posters here. Also one of the most "open-minded"...you picked a moniker that describes you to a tee :-)

Hey Rusty,

I agree with you about EvilLib, he expresses his views honestly and I've never seen him resort to name-calling either in presenting his opinion or in replying to a poster who may have attacked him.

I'll accept being #2 on your list of your favorite Conservatives seeing you're a Derek Jeter fan.

No namecalling?! Are you serious?

Sorry, but I really have to interject some reality into this lovefest. First of all, Evillib just had at least one blatantly racist post deleted from this thread. And you only have to go back to the beginning of this thread to see him calling people "babbling moron," "butthead" and "you fool." He calls people names all the time. Are you confusing him with someone else? Personally, I could care less about the namecalling, but he's one of the worst offenders on the board.

.....

I'm on probabtion to and I don't even know why.

guess Ill

see you in orange cleaning up papers on the freeway with me?\:0)

And

And the stuff Sandy Berger stole...

Can we stop feeding the trolls?

These idiots don't want to have a rational discussion. Their racist rants are being deleted left and right, so there's no reason to fuel their fire.

funny

I am eating Clam(S) Chowder right now!

Who needs ABCs when you have multiculturalism to learn?

So Illegals are "corrupting" the school system? How do you corrupt a toilet?

multiculturalism to learn?

That alone wont help you make it throgh life, sorry bud.

Corrupting is a poor choice of words.

When the classrooms at a elementry schoool local to me started to teach the kids in class in English, and then turned to those and spoke in spanish, it raised a eyebrow. Not because they are "Spanish Speaking, or,"Brown skinned". I just started to think about the time lost. That would mean, my kid is only getting half a education. Right or wrong?

Then those kids go back home to a spanish speaking house after learning some english. Is that helpful? Who helps these kids with thier homeowork? Who at home helps them to learn english?

Look, people.....we can do this dance alllllll night long,

you know, argue, feed the trools, blather on about immigration, how the poor are disenfranchised, etc., BUT, as oppossed to Bill O'Reallydoesknownuttin' bobble -headed response to the caller, the fact is the number one aspect that is affecting the schools negatively is FUNDING! The goverment places much MORE emphasis on war (funding, in all ways, not just Iraq), and the rest of the monies left over get squabbled over like those seagulls in Finding Nemo (Mine! Mine!). The education system is BROKE, in more ways than one, and will not be fixed unless we ALL demand a paradigm shift in this country's thinking about what is TRUELY important for ALL of us...

A broken system

In Santa Ana, California, the school district just extended the Christmas vacation (Oops, sorry for the foul language. I mean "Winter break") to 3 weeks because every year at that time the illegal population heads to Mexico to see la familia. They weren't making it back in the normal 2 weeks so the district was losing out on state money and decided to give them extra time. The school system is so broken, it's beyond corruption.

wow

that is a new one to me. However, I am not suprised.

Congratulations to us! We won!

"In Santa Ana, California, the school district just extended the Christmas vacation (Oops, sorry for the foul language. I mean "Winter break")" --gttntoobed5295

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Don't you know? The War on Christmas® is over (and so is Christmas in case you weren't aware). Against all odds, O'Reilly managed to pull out a victory for our God and the forces of all that is good, holy and pure! It turns out the most arduous task in the war was mustering up the armies and minions to build the massive strawman that comprised the opposition. Yes, the enemy was made of straw, but that doesn't mean he was not absolutely formidable in every way he was characterized by our soon to be beatified Bill O'Reilly.

Not since the days of the brave Don Quixote has anyone dared to fight the wretched giants who defended the forces of evil.

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You're off topic. Are there "foreign substances" in your "open mind" today? Come on. Tell the truth.

The union-run school system in America is broken. ILLEGAL Immigration just threw another shovel-full of dirt on the coffin. If you try to deny that, you're hallucinating.

If it's off-topic...

Then why did you bring it up? Is no one allowed to respond to your silly little asides?

If you think it is so aggregious, then flag it. I'm sorry if you somehow got the impression that I care.

Broken?

You don't like the way the illegal immigrants vote in your community? Gee, if there's so many of them that they can just hijack the public school system, maybe you accidentally wandered into Mexico and it just SEEMS like immigrants are everywhere.

O Reilly has a 3rd world value system

Wasn't it O'Reilly himself that said if he were president of Iraq, he would have a curfew and shoot you if he saw you on the street after dark?

Two things amazing me

First how many people (right, left, including myself) consider themselves moderate. I don't believe I have read too many "moderates" on this board and I tend to be more in the middle than most. Still I would not call myself a moderate, just moreso.

Second, yes illegal immigration is a problem. However, I don't think "the third world value system" is corrupting the schools. Let's look at it this way in my area there are a number of very wealthy families -- kids drive late model BMW's, Volvo's, and a slew of decked out sportcars -- they come from money and never had to work a day in their life, a life of privilege. And they are as, if not more, like to find their way into our newspapers for doing something stupid. Here's the upshot like most immigrants legal or illegal it will be the better, stronger, those with the most initiative that will immigrate -- it is always the way. I doubt this will affect the school value system negatively.

Are these people taking advantage of a crappy system -- yes. Are they illegal -- yes. Will some of them commit crime -- yes, people always import their crime with them not standing their illegal or legal immigration status.

The question is how to fix two broke systems education and immigration, which each will have to be fixed in turn by itself or we are it the deep weeds as a country.

BILL O'REILLY NEVER

taught a day in the puboic schools. His comments are as vacuous on this subject as any other. I have no idea why we waste time on him other than the fact that some people seem not to see through him.

I have had classes where the majority were Latin nationals. They had exactly the same spread of behaviors as you will find anywhere else on earth. Some were wonderful. Some were awful. Lots fell in the middle.

I did notice this. In some cases there seemed to be an urgency to their learning that I didn't find elsewhere. They seemed to know and sense that they were going to need everything they could get to survive.

Yes, they were going to face a world with Bill O'Reilly in it.

Immirgrant Education ethics

Sir - I come from a third world country, India, and most of the immigrants who come to this country work very hard in school to better themselves and America. Many of my classmates were immigrants who came here and worked hard and are now very successful in all fields of American life. Just look at Vinod Khosla, Sergeyi Brin and Andy Groove and you will see an immigrant education ethic that should be encouraged rather than vilified as Mr. O'Reilly has so uneloquently done.