Not surprising

The neo-cons and their enablers have no choice but to say this absurd crap. They are way, way too heavily invested in this "adventure" to come to terms with what most people call "reality".

Everything and I mean everything these neo-cons said was going to happen with the invasion of Iraq has been wrong. They have no choice but to stick with a sinking ship.

Now if you know how many hardcore conservatives think then you will realize that they will blame this on someone else and will not take any responsibility in the end.

They never do because they are always right.

So true, and now. . .

they are waiting for the Democrats to pull the trigger so they can say; "We told you they didn't want to win in Iraq. We told you the Dems would make a disaster of this. They wouldn't allow a final surge, and look what happened." This, indeed puts Democrats in a no win situation, because these fools have already figured out how to shift the blame--the only thing they do well.

Truth is, there's no solution for the mess W made over there. I'm certain when he was a boy, the maids would clean up after him. Now it's up to the Democrats.

FROM THE LATE AND GREAT:

JOHN LENNON

Purveyor

NO "FAIRNESS OR BALANCE" HERE...

PEACE IS:

What The American People Want.

In future elections we must have "What We Want Options"

Otherwise Fox News will continue lying about "What We Want." With electronic touch screens it would be simple to have a variety of optional "What We Want" choices.

Imagine there's no countries,

Nothing to kill or die for,

It's not hard to do.

You may say I'm a dreamer,

But I'm not the only one.

Imagine all the people,

Living life in Peace!

Phased withdrawl

Democrats want a phased withdrawl, nobody I heard says lets pick up and get out tomorrow. If this would have been planned 2 years ago the situation would be different...oh never mind, planning doesn't enter into Bushworld.

Here in Florida

a plurality supports withdrawal. I disagree with Matalin -- I think the message on election day was that Americans are just 'sick and tired' of Iraq, and want to wash their hands of it. Most Americans could care less whether Iraqi's have freedom or democracy (something Bush apparently doesn't get or care about).

And according to the latest AP-Ipsos poll

70 percent of Americans oppose the "surge". See: [link to news.yahoo.com]

Most Americans could care less

I disagree. I would say, most people care, but know this is going nowhere.

condolences

Most Americans hardly know where Iraq is, let alone the difference between a Sunni, a Shiite, a Kurd, an Arab, a terrorist, an insurgent, an army, a militia, a "good" guy, a "bad" guy.....

Bushbots don't "care" because they have contemplated the nature of these distinctions, they "care" because they think and do as they are told by the commander in thief.

You believe

a majority of Americans care about Iraq? Very unlikely. Why? It doesn't affect their daily lives.

not surprised at all for they also provide a platform.........

for Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter and other flag waving venomous morons that grace our cable news networks.

Those same puppets

along with Rushbo, who have characterized any plan besides digging deeper into the mess as "quitting", "surrender", "not believing in our troops", "not having the will to win", etc.

They still have their disciples,but that crowd is starting to look like the people at the carnival who are still plopping down money at the rigged games at closing time.

You know, that guy at the carny game who's getting "so close" every time, and probably needs to spend just another 5 or 10 bucks to get that teddy bear.

Good analogy

Iraq is the ultimate rigger carnival game. Perhaps this is a characteristic of the Middle East as a whole. Think of how many world powers have tried to conquer the Middle East and failed. It makes that "hoop-and-bottle" game seem, by comparison, fair.

Rigger?

Rigged! MMFA, when o when will you bring back the preview button?

Consider the sources...

Matalin and Boehner are two of the biggest Republican political whores around. Matalin used to work for Cheney and Boehner... well, there isn't much he wouldn't spin in a political way regardless how absurd it is.

What person in his right mind cannot see that whatever arguable (and I emphasize "arguable"), potential threat Saddam may have possibly posed, it was not worth the cost in human life, treausre and world esteem... and what is happening today in Iraq was painfully predictable.

What you are seeing with the likes of these appearances by Matalin and Boehner is an attempt to cover the collective behinds of the Republican Party. They have screwed up in such an enormous fashion they will say and do anything to shift blame and distract the American public from the embarrasing truth that the Republicans are dangerously incompetent and cannot be trusted with the national security of this country.

yes, I also thought it was absurd for...........

Matalin working for Cheney as an advisor. Since when did Cheney need a " mommy " ????? this wording may be taken as a subtle sign of Cheney admiration but it not. Cheney outed a CIA operative and that puts him in a special gutter .

I get really sick of these worthless

D.C. Neocons telling Americans what they want. We know what we want, and we know they want the exact opposite.

That's brown stuff on their ears ain't sand...

Like the idiot they're struggling to defend, these two have (intentionally) stuck their heads in a dark, sound-deadening place.

It's an affliction I call Cranial Rectumitis.

People

I'm with you on discussing the talking points, just wanted to remind you all of one thing:

This is FOX News, do you really expect them to give you the entire picture seeing as they serve to pimp the Neo-con agenda?

(I will refrain from saying that they are shills for Republicans as a whole because real Republicans aren't whacked-out like the neo-cons)

You got it...

As expected, FOX is reporting fake news to bolster Bush and his stance. No surprises.

Greek

and unfortunately they (Fox and other neocon noise maker outlets) still have influence on some of my fellow Americans. I'm pretty certain the 20-25% who still think Bush is on track in Iraq are avid Fox viewers, Rush Limbaugh listeners, followers of fill in any right wing whacko commentator's name....

Lynn-

I agree with you... It must still be documented by the likes of MMFA, etc. At this point, however... not sure what more can be said, except "here we go again" :)

no pass for repugnicants

(I will refrain from saying that they are shills for Republicans as a whole because real Republicans aren't whacked-out like the neo-cons) - spintronic

-------------------------------------------------------

Real Republicans don't deserve a pass, they're the ones who stole 2 elections, put this corrupt administration in office, and kept them there for lo this many nightmarish years.

Rela Republicans put a person at the helm of our nation whom they knew was even more incompetent than Peter Sellers in "Being There". You only do something like that if you're incredibly ignorant or part of a vast right wing conspiracy headed by a puppet.

"Fully 70 percent of Americans oppose sending more troops"

another link to that poll: [link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

These commentators are shills and liars.

There are prominent Republicans who oppose the escalation too, as mentioned by Olbermann on MSNBC last night.

" “This is a dangerously wrong-headed strategy that will drive America deeper into an unwinnable swamp at a great cost,” Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, said in a statement."

"Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas, an influential spokesman for conservative congressional Republicans, said that, after recently visiting Iraq for meetings with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, he was convinced that the solution in Iraq had to be a political one, not a military one."

"Two other congressional Republicans influential in foreign policy, Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, a member of the Armed Services Committee, and George Voinovich of Ohio, a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, voiced similar responses. “In Baghdad, the violence is clearly sectarian, and I don’t think more troops is the answer to the sectarian violence,” Collins said."

from: [link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

Father knows best

If Bush had just asked his Daddy why he didn't invade Baghdad and overthrow Saddam, we could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. If the moron won't listen to his own father, whose puppet is he?

Off topic

but damn!

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

Ooo, I just saw that too, on raw story

"My Fox guys, I love every single one of them." --Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice

How she has any credibility is a wonder. She doesn't sweat under fire, that is her talent. Like Tony Snow, she can dish out the bull and keep a straight face.

Hi Lynn!

COLIN POWELL AND THE GENERALS WERE NOT "YES" MEN.

THEY WERE HONEST MEN!

SO BUSH FIRED THEM!

RICE and the NEW GENERALS are the new "YES SIR" subordinates that our Dictator needs. Because our Dictator is the "Decider." He, and only he knows what's best. And "What's Best" is His War and His Legacy.

Any other President, Republican or Democrat would not have Invaded Iraq.

I

find these neo-cons a fascinating lot. They are excellent subjects for in-depth psychological studies. I particularly find Condi Rice fascinating. Her father was minister so I'm sure that would account for her maybe being a social conservative, she was raised in a very religious household. What I don't understand is this attraction to neo-con militarism. Where did that come from? That philosophy is absolutely contrary to the teachings of Jesus. Remember during the time of Jesus there were groups of Jewish zealots or freedom fighters if you will that were fighting against the domination of the Jewish people by the Roman government and often doing so through violent means. They wanted Jesus to join their cause but Jesus did not condone the violence, and these people had real grievance. They were being subjugated and oppressed by the Romans, but Jesus said no violence. Now maybe I'm being too presumptive and I'm assuming that Rice still adheres to the teachings of her Christian upbringing, maybe she doesn't who knows. (...and for all my non-Christian fellow posters, I do know that you don't have to share my religious beliefs to be good upstanding ethical and peace loving people that you guys are) Besides, I must admit that I'm not a pacifist, if struck I fight back but I don't advocate violence as the first or only means of defense. These neo-cons are out looking for and provoking battles that they make other people fight for them by the way.

I cannot

...even in my head, pronounce this man's name as "Bay-ner."

President Bush's False Premise on Iraq War and Terrorism

President Bush's False Premise on Iraq War and Terrorism Selling his plan for escalating the war in Iraq [link to www.youtube.com]