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CNN's Schneider noted that "surge" implies "temporary" -- so why does CNN use the term?
On the January 5 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, senior political analyst Bill Schneider suggested that Bush administration officials and other Republican figures have used the word "surge" to describe possible plans to increase the number of U.S. troops in Iraq because "it sounds temporary." Schneider noted that an alternative term for such a proposal -- "escalation" -- "sounds long-term." At the moment, it is unknown whether Bush plans to propose a short-term or long-term increase in troop levels. Those strongly advocating additional troops, however, such as Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and American Enterprise Institute (AEI) resident scholar Frederick W. Kagan, have made clear that they envision a "sustained" increase, perhaps for as long as 18 months. But despite these facts and despite the implication of "surge," according to Schneider, CNN anchors and reporters have used the term numerous times to describe the potential increase.
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Posted by ChristianDemocrat
Simple answer
The "surge" is an Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) wave.
Posted Friday January 5, 2007 9:43:11 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Sams Computer in reply to ChristianDemocrat
WHITE HOUSE RHETORICAL STATEGIES...
Edward R. Murrow said, "Television in the main is being used to distract, delude, amuse, and insulate us."
What really upsets me is the way the White House plays around with Words. Wartime Rhetorical Strategies that will cause more of our troops to die in vain for George W. Bush.
They refuse to call it what it is, an escalation or an increase in troop strength that will supply more bodies to be killed IN VAIN and shipped back to grieving loved ones.
You won't see the bodies when they come home. The Bushies remember what happened during The Vietnam War when that coverage was allowed. It woke up our Nation to the human cost of war. Just like Vietnam our troops are still dying in vain today in Iraq.
So the Bushies open their Thesaurus and come forth with words like SURGE OR BUMP to make the death sentence of more troops sound somehow more acceptable.
A surge will just result in a temporary fix and will delay the Iraqis from standing up and defending themselves. I for one say we Cut the Budget for the escalation and Impeach George W. Bush if he continues to ignore the will of the people.
Posted Saturday January 6, 2007 3:50:52 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by holly
Surge? Nah. It's perpetual war.
COUNTRIES BOMBED BY THE UNITED STATES SINCE THE END OF WORLD WAR II :
China 1945-46 Korea and China 1950-53 (Korean War) Guatemala 1954 Indonesia 1958 Cuba 1959-1961 Guatemala 1960 Congo 1964 Peru 1965 Laos 1964-73 Vietnam 1961-73 (Vietnam War) Cambodia 1969-70 Guatemala 1967-69 Grenada 1983 Lebanon 1983, 1984 (both Lebanese and Syrian targets) Libya 1986 El Salvador 1980s Nicaragua 1980s Iran 1987 Panama 1989 Kuwait 1991 (Iraqi Targets) Iraq 1991- Somalia 1993 Bosnia 1994, 1995 (Bosnian Serb Targets) Sudan 1998 Yugoslavia 1999 Afghanistan 1998, 2001- Iraq: on and on and on
Posted Friday January 5, 2007 9:56:02 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by autopsychic in reply to holly
Perpetual war caused by who?
I thought it might be important to know the political party involved in those bombings. So, I went through your list and reported the party the current president was for each year you listed. If you add them up, Democrats presided over 37 years of bombings and Republicans presided over 37 years of bombings. It's a good thing you did not include WWII or WWI (that would have been very embarassing for current democratic anti-war stances). I'd be interested to know how many American lives were lost during those years while comparing Democratic ordered lives lost and Republican ordered lives lost. Maybe you can do that for us, too?
China 1945-46---Democrat, Korea and China 1950-53 (Korean War)---Democrat, Guatemala 1954---Republican, Indonesia 1958---Republican, Cuba 1959-1961---Republican/Democrat, Guatemala 1960---Democrat, Congo 1964---Democrat, Peru 1965---Democrat, Laos 1964-73---Democrat/Republican, Vietnam 1961-73 (Vietnam War)---Democrat/Republican, Cambodia 1969-70---Repubican, Guatemala 1967-69---Democrat, Grenada 1983---Republican, Lebanon 1983, 1984 (both Lebanese and Syrian targets)---Republican, Libya 1986---Republican, El Salvador 1980s---Democrat/Republican, Nicaragua 1980s---Democrat/Republican, Iran 1987---Republican, Panama 1989---Republican, Kuwait 1991 (Iraqi Targets)---Republican, Iraq 1991---Republican, Somalia 1993---Democrat, Bosnia 1994, 1995 (Bosnian Serb Targets)---Democrat, Sudan 1998---Democrat, Yugoslavia 1999---Democrat, Afghanistan 1998---Democrat, 2001- Iraq---Republican
Posted Sunday January 7, 2007 5:27:13 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by HuntingtonBeachLefty in reply to autopsychic
Wow-
Holly's list of our history of war gets a response.
And it's to tally up a scorecard by political party and call it a draw.
I think that's what Jesus said, " Kill 'em all, just let the other side have a turn."
Posted Monday January 8, 2007 12:53:34 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by autopsychic in reply to HuntingtonBeachLefty
History of war
However, both world wars were left out. Probably because it would show that democrats have a more vivid history of warfare and killing our servicemen/women than anyone. It seems all the big conflicts were all run by democrats. I suppose that's why they were left out. It didn't want to be shown that democrats kill more of our young men and women than republicans in warfare that isn't our business.
Let's see...we had 116,000 deaths in WWI, in WWII we had 400,000 (half were against an enemy that actually attacked us), 50,000 in Korea and another 50,000 in Vietnam. Which gives us over 600,000 American troops killed in Democratic wars. And to think I hear a lot of grumbling about Bush's desire to go to war.
I think Jesus said this, also: "And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?"
Posted Monday January 8, 2007 8:54:55 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by HuntingtonBeachLefty in reply to autopsychic
Sorry, PC
Maybe I didn't realize how completely anti-war you are. I thought that you were minimizing Holly's list on a partisan basis, because it could divided up into Repub. and Dem led wars.
Until you referred to WWI and WWII as conflicts that were none of our business", I mistakenly assumed that you were as much a war cheerleader as the average conservative that comes here.
I don't think Holly omitted the two "big wars" as any sort of trick, but only because most Americans, even generally anti-war ones like myself, consider those justifiable.
I'm so used to Christians being the biggest war boosters, it surprised me to hear onw who is actually a complete pacifist. My apologies.
Didn't get the plank in my eye reference.
Posted Monday January 8, 2007 9:26:14 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by worrierking in reply to autopsychic
I'm Not Sure Where You're Going With This
But what is important is the present. We're not able to change that which has already happened. We do have some say about what is happening today and what will happen tomorrow.
As of today, we are involved in a quagmire in Iraq. The options are escalation or withdrawal. More than 3000 of our countrymen and women have died. Tens of thousands have been wounded. Everyone who has spent time in the theater will bear the scars of war until the day they die.
Are you advocating allowing more Americans bear this burden or are you advocating that we come to our senses and say, enough?
Posted Monday January 8, 2007 11:20:16 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by DeanOR
Whose language?
Surely if people who are imprisoned for years with no end in sight can be "detainees", then an escalation can be a "surge".
I think the problem is that so many in media allow the administration to define the terms of every issue and repeat the administration's manipulative, Orwellian language verbatim as if reporters and editors had no independent knowledge of English.
Once an issue is defined as Karl Rove wants it defined, then every reporter repeats the same language every time they mention the issue and thereby play right into the administration strategy. Now we have the "surge" issue, and everyone pretends they can't imagine what else it could be called.
Since when does the President own our language?
Posted Friday January 5, 2007 10:00:15 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by ChristianDemocrat in reply to DeanOR
Perhaps I've been wrong
I used to think Bush and friends had only a short-term perspective. However, while reading your post I realized my mistake. Consider this - what's a decade or a few of occupation or imprisonment for much of a lifetime compared to...oh...the age of the universe?
Posted Friday January 5, 2007 10:33:06 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by HuntingtonBeachLefty in reply to ChristianDemocrat
Remember,
This is the same liberal media that had big "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and whatever- it was- "enduring Freedom" backgrounds made up for their newscasts withinn hours of the White House making up the names.
The same pinkos who describe Bush supporters as "Pro-Military" and would-be censors as "Pro-Family".
Posted Saturday January 6, 2007 1:09:27 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by roundhouse in reply to ChristianDemocrat
What's the difference?
Ask the tortured, not the torturer. Ask the occupied, not the occupier.
It's romantic love for authority that is so dangerous to this country. The exterminationist wing of the Republican party have become willing slaves to lustful degenerate authoritarian manipulators. Their masters can justify any cruelty in the name of moral superiority.
Now, Proud Christian would Jesus instruct us to torture, kill and dominate our fellow humans?
Posted Monday January 8, 2007 8:56:44 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by jeter2
I don't have a problem...
With "surge" being used [by the media] to describe what's being floated by the White House. Like MOST of Bush's other Iraq policy it has NOT been cleary defined--as of yet. Long term or short term? Either way I'm hoping such an escalation of troops will be thwarted by Congress.
Kudos to Harry Reid and Speaker Nancy Pelosi for the letter they sent Bush yesterday. A GREAT pre-emptive strike. Whether they were pressured into delivering such a letter [by the Cindy Sheehan gang OR by public opinion in general] it was STILL a brilliant move.
BTW if you read the [Reid/Pelosi] letter they ALSO refer to Bush's plan as a "surge".
Surging forces is a strategy that you have already tried and that has already failed.
Posted Saturday January 6, 2007 11:19:50 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by gg
. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”
Of course the "surge" will only be temporary, and not something bad or long term like a true escalation. After all didn't Rummy tell us that the war could last 6 days, maybe 6 weeks but he doubted it would last 6 months-back in Feb 2003. Does the MSM ever question anything this administration says on the subject? Goodness gracious, golly gee, no! Just keep drinking the Kool-aid, CNN.
Posted Saturday January 6, 2007 12:03:42 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Dem02020
we can't subject the president to any "political embarrassment", now can we?
Happily, happily, happily onward,
All into the Valley of Iraq,
Rode the five (proposed) Brigades.
"Forward, the "surge" of five Brigades!"
Was the president or his advisors dismayed?
Not that the soldiers didn't know someone had blundered.
But it's not for them to make a reply, or to even reason why,
But to "surge" five Brigades into the Valley of Iraq.
An occupation without National Security concern to the U.S.,
Now "surged" and "escalated" in an act of pride and madness,
While all of America's People wondered.
An "insurgency" now met with a "surge",
And for what reason to do with U.S. National Security,
All the world and America's People wondered.
What sacrifices were made for the pride of a single man,
A single evil and perverted man,
Who devised the scheme (and the word) of "surge",
To save his evil self from "political embarrassment".
And so he kills our Sons and Daughters in the Valley of Iraq,
And makes a "surge" to avoid being "politically embarrassed".
But our Sons and Daughters in that place,
Have done nothing wrong and suffer no disgrace,
For their's was never to make a reply or even reason why,
Sacrifice is what they do in the name of U.S. National Security...
...found nowhere in Iraq.
When can their glory fade?
Oh the wild "surge" they made!
All the world wondered.
Honor the "surge" they made,
Honor the five Brigades,
Noble Sons and Daughters of the American People,
Sacrificed not for the National Security
of their Mothers and Fathers,
But for the pride of a single man
George W. Bush
An evil SOB... an evil bastid.
Posted Saturday January 6, 2007 2:15:48 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by conrad
John Edwards: againts a surge and positions on trade, nonproliferation, Medal of Freedom, etc.
I saw John Edwards talk here at Chapel Hill on Saturday Dec 30. He gave his standard speech. It was polished and well delivered.
Afterward, I followed him in the handshake line, and impetuously got in 5 questions and got some quick answers:
1) I asked him what he thought of Biden's plan to split Iraq up into 3 countries? He said he'd have to think about it some more. In his talk, he doesn't want to "surge" troops up, he wants to begin withdrawing them.
2) If we do environment regulations to reduce carbon etc, won't that put our business at a disadvantage compared to China which has no regulations? He agreed to that and he wants to renegotiate our treaties with China to take this into account. "We've given too much away," he said.
3) What can we do about North Korea and Iran making nuclear weapons since we spent so much of our effort in Iraq? "There's lots to do."
4) Would you retract Bremer's Medal of Freedom? He was surprised by this and apparently not aware of it. I explained that Bush gave Bremer the Medal of Freedom. In my opinion, Bremer was a disaster when he was in charge of Iraq. Edwards said, "You mean after all the damage he did? In one word, Yes."
5) Would you press criminal charges against people in high political office, as some Democrats would like to do? At this point Edwards said, "Well, I got to move on now..."
I also talked to his wife Elizabeth. I asked about her children in elementary school here, and I commented on her recent interview on the Diane Rhem's show. She said, "Marvelous."
Posted Saturday January 6, 2007 4:32:41 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by evillib1727 in reply to conrad
"We've given too much away,"
That is what I like to hear!
Posted Monday January 8, 2007 12:38:57 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Taz
The perfect plan
Round up the 10-20 million illegal aliens roaming our streets
Fit them for uniforms, give them a gun and send them into Iraq. Talk about a surge! Talk about killing 2 birds with 1 stone.
Those that make it back get amnesty.
Posted Saturday January 6, 2007 6:21:15 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by HuntingtonBeachLefty in reply to Taz
Hey Taz,
I work with some Republicans who get all the righty "humor" emails.
That plan was about a week and a half ago.
Republican humor is like a McDonalds burger; predictably bad enough when it's fresh, just worthless after a few days.
Posted Saturday January 6, 2007 6:46:52 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Sams Computer in reply to HuntingtonBeachLefty
Hey Taz,
Let's make That 3 Birds with One Stone:
Because if you want to kill 10 to 20 million people you should have been hung to your death with Sadam.
People like you and Sadam and Hitler should all be exterminated for the good of the planet Earth.
If you think that was funny you are very wrong.
Posted Saturday January 6, 2007 7:39:35 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by evillib1727 in reply to Sams Computer
kill 10 to 20 million
I did not get that from his post.
Posted Monday January 8, 2007 12:40:41 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by Sams Computer in reply to HuntingtonBeachLefty
Hey Taz,
A very large number of our troops who are defending your right to spin your garbage jokes here are the Mexicans you want to send to Iraq.
They are proudly serving our country in Iraq. Many of them are already dead. That should make you happy.
Posted Saturday January 6, 2007 7:51:41 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by evillib1727 in reply to Sams Computer
ahhhhh
illegal aliens are not just Mexicans. There are also many proud fillipino people there.
Posted Monday January 8, 2007 12:42:06 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by worrierking in reply to Taz
Better Yet
Let's round up all the supporters of the war and their children and send them. I doubt that they'd find the 20,000 for GW's "surge", but it would be a start.
Posted Saturday January 6, 2007 7:28:29 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by navy_guy
Orwellian Doublespeak
Well,
WE now have a new term, 'SURGE' which denotes an added entry into the 'Orwellian' doublespeak so symptomatic of the times. After all, The NeoConmen have utilized such lexicon as ' Creative Destructionism' in describing the ill-fated venture to make a fractious, tribal-religious predominate BUT 'OIL-RICH" country like Iraq into something resembling a modern Jeffersonian Democracy.
SURGE, .... Def: "strong, wavelike, forward movement, rush, or sweep: the onward surge of an angry mob." Hmmm, About the only reference here that desribes OUR current situation in Iraq is the reference to an ' angry mob'.
Meanwhile, over at AEI, The American Enterprise Institute, Senators McCain and Joe 'turncoat' Lieberman are busy presenting positions which are irrefutably and diametrically opposed by the American people, the Pentagon Brass and according to the latest poll among OUR boots 'on the ground' , some 80% have stated NO, Nada, " Don't Do It."
But the NeoConmen are a tenacious breed indeed. Their visions of empire building , having been trumped and trounced in the Congressional elections for their self-serving policy of adding to their private coffers ....... are now scurrying like rats on a sinking ship ONLY to have THINK TANKS, NOW there's an oxymoron for ya, Like AEI offer up some Babble-talk with terms like 'surge' which I doubt that heretobefore is ever mentioned in the course instruction at the Army War College.
We now have Intellectual pygmies like Frederrick Kagan of AEI, announcing Position papers with calls to 'surge'
Here , take a look...... [link to www.washingtonpost.com]
Our foreign policy is NOW controlled by unelected personages in the likes of Kagan, et al WHO in a pitiful attempt to describe themselves as 'Intellectual Giants' with America's best interests at heart NOW announce with terminology like 'surge' WHAT the GENERALS, the American people and our brave lads and lasses know all too well,................. Any augmentation of troops to this ill-fated cause WILL only fuel further the mayhem and indigenous civil war.
But Kagan and the crew at AEI have OUR Best interests at heart, Yeh, right And I'm the Tooth Fairy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted Sunday January 7, 2007 2:05:46 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by fantagor
Don't be so down on the word Surge
The Pentagon is simply trying to hip-up the Iraq war, something that will appeal to the skateboard punk/daredevil Jackass (the movie) crowd.
SURGE!!!!
The recruitment angle is transparent as cellophane panties.
“Sign up, kiddies, come one, come all! It’s not just a job, it’s death, destruction, and above all, it's COOOOOOOOOL!”
Posted Sunday January 7, 2007 5:47:20 PM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by ChristianDemocrat in reply to fantagor
Ah...ok
I imagine a clip with various army vehicles and hellicopters rumbling across the Iraqi landscape with the following narration...
Surge...it's not just an energy drink!
Posted Monday January 8, 2007 11:42:15 AM EST / Flag this comment
Posted by evillib1727 in reply to ChristianDemocrat
lololo
lololol nice!
Posted Monday January 8, 2007 12:44:20 PM EST / Flag this comment