perhaps Disney\ABC\Nazi Youth Camp Directors

'volunteered' some of the advertizers to this list? It would not be the first time some autocratic hate-monering group ASSumed they knew what was best...

To all concerned

I'm working on a list of web addresses and phone numbers of these companies so we can use our freedom of expression to try to force them to end their blacklisting practices. I pride myself as a liberal AMERICAN, however, I feel neither side should be blacklisted.

As much as I hate the Limbaughs, Hannity's, and O'Reilly's, I also feel that if one only side's position is allowed to be heard, then there would be nothing that could stop that side from taking away ALL of our freedoms.

If we work together on this, we might change this practice. It all starts somewhere, and I'm starting NOW ! Post if you want to get onboard.

Sponsors

I'll write a letter to every one of those "blacklisters" on the memo. I am even going to call our local KTXX station in San Antonio to advertise my law firm when I leave the bench in January! keep me posted!

Boycott Disney/ABC

For the Path to 9/11 and its conspiracy to bring down Air America.

JLyon

To be fair, nobody "brought down" Air America. If they had more listeners, they would be more attractive to advertisers and they would have stayed on the air.

There is no conspiracy, only a very poor business plan.

Tommy

Sorry, it may have had a "flawed business plan" but there has to be something behind these memos? I tend to believe there is a conspiracy out there to limit progressive speech.

I dont have evidence , just a feeling.

JLyon

I don't believe there is any conspiracy. I just think the right has figured out a way to get big ratings on talk radio, and the left hasn't yet. Is is the message, or the personalities, or the marketing, or the issues? I don't know, if I did I would be making tons of money as a Democratic media consultant for talk radio.

I listen to "progressive" talk radio once in awhile. Ever listen to Stephanie Miller, she is very funny even though very one-sided. I don't listen for information, rather entertainment. Which I suspect is why Rush has so many listeners too. Although he is way too full of himself for my tastes, and rarely if EVER, allows himself to be challenged. He's boring.

Progress

Look at it this way, Tommy. At least people around here now believe that AAR is in trouble or wasn't doing well. Previous to them filing for bankruptcy, you couldn't get anyone around here to acknowledge that there was even a problem with the network. Ratings were great, talent was great, stations were great, blah blah blah.

Now they're changing their tune a little bit at least. "AAR, the futures FOX News Channel". LOL

Exactly

Good points. Someone from the DNC, or somewhere, just released those fresh off the burner talking points.

"Air America, as viable as FOX was during their inception.....slam AA, and you slam FOX!"

Re: Progress

"Look at it this way, Tommy. At least people around here now believe that AAR is in trouble or wasn't doing well. Previous to them filing for bankruptcy, you couldn't get anyone around here to acknowledge that there was even a problem with the network."

--Who said Air America wasn’t having problems?

"Ratings were great, talent was great, stations were great, blah blah blah."

--The ratings are great in some markets and yet there is still a lack of advertising dollars.

Now they're changing their tune a little bit at least. "AAR, the futures FOX News Channel". LOL

--Fox News was a money losing operation for the first five years of its existence, but you had a person like Rupert Murdoch who was willing to lose half a billion dollars before Fox News turned a profit. Air America needs someone willing to lose potentially a half billion dollars.

Try Hollywood

Get your Hollywood liberal friends to fork over 500 million.....shouldn't be hard.

Re: Try Hollywood

"Get your Hollywood liberal friends to fork over 500 million.....shouldn't be hard."

--It's harder than you think.

Tommy

The wealth of the Hollywood liberals you guys hate so much can't hold a candle to the soulless conservative money machine that supports right wing lie media. Say what you will those money whorshippers got deep pockets. MOST of the Hollywood liberals fall into the money incidentally when we the public take a liking to them. Most of them would do dinner theatre or lounge sing for the love of their art. Besides I would much rather have those rich Hollywood Liberals use their money for charitable efforts to feed the starving people of the world.

Here's a thought for you, Lynn

A poster a couple of days ago stated the majority of Americans held liberal positions. Doing a little math, that means that if each of those contributed a mere $4/ea, AAR would easily have their $.5 Billion. Start a campaign, Lynn, the money should be a snap to raise. Even though I tend to be conservative, I would throw in $4.

Now, Tommy . . .

We could follow the Repugnant plan, and just steal the money (@$300 billion so far, in only six years!) - but that is the difference between us: your con-pals steal as a matter of course, and of entitlement for being white and having inherited wealth; the poor, dumb, Dems actually appear to feel guilty about stealing from the public.

Most

of the talent is great, at least the day-time line up is. Now of course that's my opinion but I stick by that assessment even if AAR went black tomorrow. I was a fan of the MSNBC’s Donahue show as well. They took the show off not because of lack of ratings but because they were suppressing dissenting voices. It impetus was political. If you judge by the assertions of most of the conservatives that post here most of America is right of center and Liberals are somehow defective because we don’t share the majority view. Now I don’t know if that’s true or maybe living in the Northeast clouds my perspective or at least it limits my exposure to the masses of conservatives that you say exist. I kind of think that the vast majority of Americans are actually moderate in their political views and this accounts for back and forth of voting patterns and the very close parity in votes garnered by the Democrats and Republicans. Every now and then one of the party’s gains a slight edge. But regardless of the validity of the consdervative majority it matters not to me. If every person in America got on television and professed their conservatism I would be the lone Liberal left in America of course unless all you mean conservatives forced me out of my country.

Ummm...

Your analysis of why AA didn't stay on the air has one little flaw...AA is still on the Air. And like most new businesses the early years are a struggle financially.

Welcome Back!

But they are technically bankrupt.

Bankrupt

There is no technically about it. They filed for banruptcy. Ever read the business magazines. You would be surpirised at what a common practice this is for businessess. If you have any doubts ask Donald Trump how many times he has filed. Have you had the opportunity to read the stats on Fox's early days or MSNBC's or CNN's or any number of other media start-ups...you may be surprised at the $ amount they were losing.

Lostlogic

Ok, let's agree that their viability in talk radio is about as paltry as it can get. Semantics aside, they are basically irrelevant and are showing no signs of reversing that trend.

If you think they will become like Fox News and in a few years dominate the talk airwaves, I would venture to say that is a pipedream.

Tommy

What's the basis of your rational?

Do you know what Fox's numbers were in the first few years that they were on the air?

I think the number of listeners of progressive talk shows is increasing, that means they aren't irrelevant.

Super

We are not talking about progressive talk, we are talking about Air America.

But

Fox would not have made it if Rush did not pave the way, so you have to look at the movement in totality not just one particular company, which did have a flawed business plan.

Rush

To be fair Rush's TV show failed one year before FOX made its debut. FOX had problems getting on the air because at the time the fees the cable companies were charging FOX to get on the air were enormous. FOX has been a success from a business point of view. I think we do a disservice to ourselves if we blast FOX when discussing Air America.

Jylon

What are you talking about?

I am talking about Rush paving the way with his Radio Program and I never bashed FOX.

Again, what are you talking about?

SuperLiberal

I am sorry, I dont know what you are talking about and I never said you were bashing FOX. I simply said his TV show failed and FOX is TV not radio.

Other than that I have no idea what you are saying in reference to what I said.

Jylon

Then let's move on to something else, because now I am confused!

who is blasting Fox?

Sounds like people are just laying out the facts. Fox mat be a success now but if you want to look at the issue realistically you have to look at the early days and the finacial downfalls they faced...I think that is all anyone is saying. It is not blasting Fox to point out that they had the same struggle as so many other new ventures face...including AA.

I have no dog in this fight...

so I am not dreaming of anything...just talking from a business perspective. BTW, what signs are you referring to? I know several of their shows have rising ratings so I would say that is a sign that they do have potential to turn things around but who knows. It takes a combination of several factors to make a business a success...I am reserving judgment. But if it makes you happy to have that many less voices out there think what you want. I think it is a good thing to have both view points out there, so in that sense I don't wish to see an alternative voice fail...whether I agree with them or not. I guess some only want to hear people they agree with so they hope the other side will fail...they may get their wish, but I don't think the public as a whole will be better off for it.

Lostlogic

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said I wanted a stifling of voices, where did you get that?

I think it's very sad that we don't have a viable, issue-driven, factually accurate alternative to Rush and the rest. What we don't need is more of him, just from the left. That serves nothing except enflaming the rhetoric even more. If that was AA's business plan, no wonder they failed.

Re-read my post

I wasn't putting words in your mouth I specifically said "IF". Although I must say you often appear to be sarcastic and gloating about AA's misfortune so forgive me if I mistakenly believed your misrepresentation of the facts (e.g they are off the air) to imply you are cheering for AA to fail and leave the public with only one voice and posed the "if" statement in my post.

Lost

"But if it makes you happy to have that many less voices out there think what you want"

******************

This is nothing worth quibbling over, but if I had said that to you, your reaction would be the same.

As for chastizing me about MY sarcasm and gloating over anyone's misfortune - well, let's just say I am hardly alone or anywhere near the biggest culprit of that.

But mom he did it too...

Not that tired excuse..."yeah but the other guy did a bad thing so i can do it too." So just curious, why would you gloat about AA's possible failure if not that you don't want an alternative voice out there?

Please

It's not gloating.....it's more of a little rib sticking to the left on this site that sang AA's praises for so long. Can you blame me or anyone? Sarcasm is as much a part of these posts as anything, you know that.

Besides, you know I am all for healthy and substantive debate - I do it all the time here. So you know I am the last one who wants anyone silenced, the more thoughtful voices and discussion around, the better for everyone.

AA just tried to be the mirrored image of conservative talk radio and it's failing. Why? As I said, I have no idea.

Not the same at all

It's not the mirror image of conservative talk. AA tells the truth and has opinions based on facts and logic.

Tommy some of your comments are just too funny

"think it's very sad that we don't have a viable, issue-driven, factually accurate alternative to Rush and the rest. "

Like Rush is issue-driven or factually accurate.

I hope the left NEVER comes forward with any show that is comparable to Rush. Its part of the reason that American's are uninformed and factually incorrect on so many issues is because they buy into the garbage being offered on his show.

Tommy AA= Rush?

I don't get it Tommy, why is it Air America is as bad a Rush? For one thing AA has plenty of conservatives (Neal Boortz is a regular on Al Franken's program) unlike Rush who just has cons on. I will admit I do not listen to AA(other than an occasional listen to Al Franken) but although the people are biased they are a lot fairer than Rush.

Barry

I don't think I said AA was "as bad as Rush", if you're referring to my "mirrored" image comment - well, some of them, aka Randi Rhodes, were equally as offensive to some with her rhetoric. But to each his own.

As I've said, I have no idea why AA is failing. I don't they know either, so I certainly don't.

I would welcome a healthy substantive alternative to conservative talk radio, but I wouldn't listen a "left wing Rush", anymore than I listen to him - which is never. I have explained why.

Correct...

...they have had money problems from the start when funds that investors said were there weren't there. It obviously started off badly as a business, not the first by the way, but that doesn't mean it won't succed after chapter 11 as it will be able to reorganize. The number of businesses that have done that in this country is huge. As someone who is so for the "free" market you should know this.

IP

Yep. Several airlines are in bankruptcy right now. I guess it must be because people just don't want to fly places.

Touché

Many business survive bankruptcy and go on to be very successful.

Good idea

Maybe we can fill the cabins of those bankrupt airlines with streaming audio of Air America..........that'll bring in the passengers and kill two birds with one stone.

Don't

you have a job to do? What is your occupation Tommy? I'm wondering how you have all of this time to add your insightful and witty comments?

Maybe you work for an Airline or Ford... Could explain why they're doing so poorly...

Filing for bankruptcy- so what?

Most of the major airlines have filed for bankruptcy- so what? they get the federal government to bail them out. It's really pathetic how so many want to write of Air America as DOA. Why should anyone be afraid of free speech? And there are many many progressive voices screaming to be heard. Even getting "blacklisted" by major corps in the government's back and front pockets9 that should scare anyone who is a fan of the Constitution) Air America is surviving and hopefully soon will be thriving.

not exactly...

>>" If they had more listeners, they would be more attractive to advertisers..."<<

100 won't advertise because of progressive content & subsequent fear of administration/right-wing retribution---not because of a lack of listeners.

OR

Perhaps Wal-Mart won't advertise because AAR bashes them on a regular basis.

Re: OR

Air America defends for unions, the middle class and workers' right and they deride corporations for outsourcing jobs. All of these threaten the corporate structure therefore little or no corporate support for the station.

No end

Is there no end to the conspiracy theories running rampant in the minds of some liberals these days? From elections, to talk radio, to the media.......poor liberals, everyone is just out to get you.

Could this be contributing to the reason that many reasonable people are beginning to look at the left as nothing but incessant whiners who never take responsibility for their own failures?

Stop passing the buck and act like grown-ups and not bratty kids.

Tommy

Then how do you explain the memos?

Super

Outside of REI's contradiction, the only one so far, the other companies did not want their spots aired during Air America programming - their absolute right.

For whatever reason, they didn't feel it was the wisest outlet for their advertising dollars. No conspiracy. No muscled twisting of their arm. No threats. No ultimatums. Nothing.

Only freedom of companies to advertise where they choose. Perfectly acceptable.

(except for conspiracy-drunk liberals)

Tommy

I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but if you are trying to sell a product, you don't care who buys it.

So, there needs to be a better explanantion than they have a right to not advertise.

Super

Companies also have images to protect. Of course they don't care who buys their products, however they are very concerned about who their products are associated with.

Tommy

I agree, image is everything, I just don't see how AA presents any less of an image than FOX personalities or Rush.

Super

In my opinion, I would agree with you completely. But I don't own the companies that made their decisions.

Then

what is your explanation? Your so quick to dismiss everyone else with your comments, yet you offer no viable explanation.

Lets just wait a few days.. lets see who America is sick of when they vote.

Tommy

Everything is a conspiracy if it is not in the best interest of these liberals.

Excuse me there, EL

But aren't you the one who, just below, suggests that this is all a conspiracy started by a liberal to start "Right Hate"?

yes I did say that

The above was a bit of sarcasim. My below statement, I stand behind.

Hunh

The above was a bit of sarcasim. My below statement, I stand behind.

I would have guessed other way 'round.

Hilarious justification of hypocrisy.

I really do admire Evillib's honesty, though. He apparently hasn't yet learned that it is easier to hide hypocrisy if you simply pick the best lie and stick with it. That is what most successful hypocrites do.

It seems Evil tried this, but 1. picked the wrong lie and 2. somehow thinks that being sarcastic means you really don't mean what you say or otherwise lessens its import.

see, I hate to lie

When you lie, you have to remember things....

For once....

>>>Is there no end to the conspiracy theories running rampant in the minds of some liberals these days?...everyone is just out to get you. Stop passing the buck and act like grown-ups and not bratty kids."<<<

I didn't say anything about a "conspiracy". You put words in my mouth.

I didn't say "everyone was out to get liberals".

I didn't "pass the buck", I didn't act like a "bratty kid".

I said 100 advertisers refuse to advertise because of progressive content and fear of retribution. If you'd care to agree or rebut, do so. But you might try doing it with a fact or two instead of immature insults and recycled, straw man arguments. For once.

Sorry Dave

I don't argue against whiners who constantly throw up conspiracy fright theories for lack of responsibility.

Stop with that silly tactic and you might get a reasonable response. Otherwise, find a fellow leftist and throw a conspiracy party, just don't tell people where it is or the boogeyman might show up and get all of you.

Cutting and running?

>>>"I don't argue against whiners who constantly throw up conspiracy fright theories for lack of responsibility."<<<

Again, it's YOU, Tommy, who brought up "conspiracy". As a straw man tactic. I never said conspiracy or implied conspiracy. Pretend you don't know that. But you do.

I said 100 advertisers as listed won't associate with Air America because they are afraid of retribution from right-wingers and this administration. Not because of a lack of listeners.

You obviously have no cogent argument. That's why you won't or can't argue responsibly or maturely.

Duh, Hello!

"I said 100 advertisers as listed won't associate with Air America because they are afraid of retribution from right-wingers and this administration".

************************

Ahhh, if that statement of yours doesn't imply there is a conspiracy by the "right wingers" of retributions (another conspiracy code word), then nothing does.

Come on Dave, you can parse words all you want. You know exactly what you implied, it's right here in black and white. Indignant denial means nothing, it just demeans your credibility.

So, I tell you again, it is a waste of time to argue with someone who baselessly throws up these charges with absoultely no factual backup? Do you have any? Do you have any proof that AA is afraid of such retribution? No, you don't. That's the point. You blabber on about conspiracies, or whatever you want to call them, with no proof.

If you have proof of your allegations, bring them on in detail. Otherwise, you're the bombthrower whose running away.

Ahem,

Tommy,